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    I know there are a few threads (including a very recent one!) about what to do when dealing with someone who is undercharging (thus, undercutting) your business. I have a bit of an issue with the opposite.

    At my club, there are a core group of girl who show up at the start of the night, show up most nights, charge what we are supposed to, and basically, take the job seriously.

    Then there is a second group of girls who show up around midnight (often later - and the club closes at 2am!!), but still seem to make money...because, as I recently discovered, they are overcharging. By a LOT.

    Where I work, it is $40 per dance, $100 for three. We don't do VIP rooms or charge by the hour. But dayum - we are hardly on the cheap end of the scale as it is. This is also standard for the city. One club charges $50-60 per dance, but that's a serious extras club, so fine. When you have two girls dancing, it's $40 each. If you have two guys, and they want to have the same VIP room and each get a dance, it's still $40 per girl. For couples, you are technically supposed to still be doing $40 - although most girls do $60.

    I have discovered that the midnight crowd is charging $60 a dance, and $80 for couples, or two girls....

    Found it out when I had two guys wanting side-by-side dances, quoted them $40 each, and then was hard pressed to find one of my "friends" to get in, so pulled a random girl from the midnight group. Not only was she RUDE, she then basically forced the guys to pay more than I had quoted. She then gave the most disinterested dance, ever. I was SO MAD. I knew that the guys were a band at a local venue, and courtesy of knowing the manager, I knew how much cash they were paid that night. We could have easily got $1-200 each, but instead, she ensured we got $60, then pissed them off so much, they left. FUMING.

    It also has serious implications for the club - who is going to want to come to a club if the girls have a rep for being rude, demanding, and overpriced?!??! Thoughts?
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    Default Re: Dealing with a girl who is OVERCHARGING

    We had this issue at my club a while back. Management found out through a few regulars complaining, the DJ started announcing that "dances are ALWAYS XXX price" and sure enough, the customers started citing to the girls "But the DJ said blah blah blah". Management would also fire girls they caught doing it. But nobody knew for a while, because we get so many people from the airport who are from other cities that charge $20 or $30, so they didn't know we were supposed to charge $10.

    I think it only affected you negatively because she pissed off your customers.
    These are girls that are not interested in the overall business of the club/long term money - they want their extra $20 a song NOW, even if it drives customers out and makes the place dead in 3 months.

    If there's girls of comparable looks charging less, and you have regulars during this time, someone will eventually offhandedly comment to a manager about the varying dance prices. If it's a bunch of one-time visitors, they likely don't know the dances are SUPPOSED to be $40 and not $60 though.

    I would ask your management if they know about it - if your club takes a cut of dances, they will likely not be happy - and either way, they'll be headed off before a customer complains.

    Or, you can always work their shift and then go around telling guys "I'm only $40 a song!" and steal a lot of their business
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    Default Re: Dealing with a girl who is OVERCHARGING

    I dunno, my girlfriend did this and I don't have a problem with it because she does the whole "hot bitch" thing.

    I don't have a problem with it. Why not try raising your prices? The dance prices should be whatever the girl can get. Maybe she didn't want to do 5 dances @ 40. Maybe she's getting that in three or four dances place a mad tip. I normally factor this into my hustle by saying dances can be $60 but that I'd be happy to do one for $40

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    Default Re: Dealing with a girl who is OVERCHARGING

    I think your issue is that those girls were rude and didnt overcharge in a fluid way. im all for overcharging but you gotta be sweet and discreet about it.

    you also need to be more assertive and maintain your position as the good guy. if she had demanded $60 you could have cut in and said directly to the guys that dances are normally $40 however this particular girl charges $60. "would you still like to do the dance at her price, ditch her and have me do both dances consecutively, or attempt to find another girl who will accept $40?" your honesty and willingness to work with them could have landed you more $$ but instead her bad behavior was rewarded. obviously shes doing well by acting like this so if I was her id probably act the same way.

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    ^+1. Your best bet is to either overcharge yourself and increase your own income (seeing as how the club doesn't seem to care and those girls are making great money in the last two hours the club is open) or ignore those girls and keep doing your thing. Sounds like you know who the overchargers are, so you could just avoid pulling them into sales where they will mess things up for you by insisting on a higher price.

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    Default Re: Dealing with a girl who is OVERCHARGING

    Not sure what is so bad about overcharging if you can get more the more power to you!

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    Default Re: Dealing with a girl who is OVERCHARGING

    I always overcharged if I got away with it, hell yea why not?! If a club gets mostly tourists you'll never see again , why not. The club takes too much $$ from us these days anyways might as well get your money while you can!
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    The thing about overcharging is that - yes, I used to do it in London, I will do it in big cities.

    There are THREE clubs here (and I can't work at the other two). One shut down a few years ago from lack of business. This is a SMALL "city", and I know people that come to my club. I have already heard a lot of bitching from guys who won't come back because of girls overcharging, and I know the regulars are our bread and butter. Even in tourist season, the kind of tourists that come here are not usually the strip club type.

    Combined, that means that if people stop coming....club shuts down. We took a BIG hit after the club was shut down by a fire, and are still building a reputation back up.

    Bear in mind, I get a LOT of over-payers, and big tippers, and guys that tip for company. If these girls want to sell their way into big tips, awesome. All for it. That's what I do. But they are visibly hurting the clientele. Seriously - I've worked in larger clubs in bigger cities where you can get away with it, I wouldn't care if someone charged $1000 a dance! It does NOT work like that where I am now.

    (Oh - and they STILL aren't earning more than I am. Even factoring in the overcharge vs what I get in tips. So it's clearly not as effective as actually just hustling.)

    I think that the best suggestion would be to have a word with the manager and the DJs. Luckily, I'm on excellent terms with all of them. Helps when you are consistent and professional.
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    I'm in Las Vegas. I wont see 90% of the guys who walk in the door again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyLynne View Post
    I'm in Las Vegas. I wont see 90% of the guys who walk in the door again.
    LOL ^ when I worked in Vegas guys would literaly call me a gypsy bc I'd snatch the money up out of their hand & pull them to the back and they couldn't say shit. Then ask for tips during & after I stopped dancing for them, I have some crazy stories about Vegas. When I wasn't this assertive or shall I say "ballsy" at work several years ago, i wouldn't make half of what I make now. If your in a small club that is regulars based then I wouldn't bother bc word will catch up to girls like me & we'd be in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyLynne View Post
    I'm in Las Vegas. I wont see 90% of the guys who walk in the door again.
    See, if I was there, I wouldn't care!!! Some of our guys have been coming in every few nights for a decade. The younger ones, the ones that make most of the money - they usually come in a few times a month. Frankly "one-off" customers probably make up about 10% of business, if that. Which is why not pissing off the clientele is such a big deal. ESPECIALLY when most of the time, the girls are dancing first, charging after. Occasionally the guy walks out without paying at all - and that is a definite no-return!! But most of the time, polite as we all are up in Canada, they will just pony it up, and leave. And not come back.
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    Default Re: Dealing with a girl who is OVERCHARGING

    I don't overcharge. I just ask for a huge tip afterwards.

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    Default Re: Dealing with a girl who is OVERCHARGING

    In a lot of clubs, they make it so you can't overcharge. And if you do, you get in trouble. Then in other clubs, its encouraged. So it just depends on your area/club.

    I could get around overcharging in clubs that didn't want me to by like... creating deals or specials of my own. I didn't lose any money, the customer felt like he got a deal (even though it was just me wording it well) when really it was normal priced or a little over. Like for example, if you have a 3 for $100 deal, you could say the 10 or 15 minute special (depending on how long the songs are at your club) ~*VIP special*~ for $100 or something.

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    I think that it only bothered you because it directly affected you in this situation. Most of the time, it doesn't. Being that you pulled HER into the sale, she should of rolled with the punches and gone with YOUR flow and then thanked you for helping her out and maybe return the favor at a later date with HER special prices but we all know girls in this industry aren't the most tactful.

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    For myself, I wouldn't call it overcharging because my dances are better than most of the other girls (plus I'm goodlooking, hot body etc). I tell them upfront what the prices are; I charge ..... Its up to them to decide if they want me or someone else. Not been knocked back yet.
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    At one place I worked at I told a guy I charged more because he was getting a 3 for 1 deal (me, Itsy, and Bitsy)

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    I don't think it's the overcharging thing-- I think it's the rude thing that's making customers leave. So I would mention that to management and just say, "hey, not trying to start drama, but I've noticed certain girls are really rude to customers and I get a feeling a lot of these customers aren't coming back because of it. I'm sure you already know this, but just in case, I wanted to bring it to your attention."

    If she was sweet about it, her overcharging would have been a moot point.
    Also, if guys overtip a bunch, then I don't really see them batting an eye at a $20 increase. But if they're bitches, then I could see that being an issue.

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    Default Re: Dealing with a girl who is OVERCHARGING

    $60 is the max unless your doing serious extras. I don't see an issue with over charging because only a dancer can decide what she is worth. A customer will agree to the price or not.

    The dancers to look out for are the late comers that make it a regular practice to get paid $300-$500+ for only a few dances. More than likely they have made arrangements to meet outside of the club.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BANHammerGoddess View Post
    I don't think it's the overcharging thing-- I think it's the rude thing that's making customers leave.
    ^That's exactly what I thought!

    If "everyone" is overcharging then over charge as well. If you have personality, are fun and charming-guys won't even notice that they are paying an extra $20 (i.e $60 instead of $40).
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    I think she should of given the customers a better dance,regardless if she was overcharging them or not.I also used too set my own prices sometimes,But it was on a case by case basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANHammerGoddess View Post
    I don't think it's the overcharging thing-- I think it's the rude thing that's making customers leave. So I would mention that to management and just say, "hey, not trying to start drama, but I've noticed certain girls are really rude to customers and I get a feeling a lot of these customers aren't coming back because of it. I'm sure you already know this, but just in case, I wanted to bring it to your attention."

    If she was sweet about it, her overcharging would have been a moot point.
    Also, if guys overtip a bunch, then I don't really see them batting an eye at a $20 increase. But if they're bitches, then I could see that being an issue.
    I think you hit the nail on the head - it's sort of - overtly taking the piss. And in a small town like this - they KNOW you are taking the piss. Seriously - I have had e-mails from guys who have been coming in for years saying "sorry - I'll see you if you start working at x club, because I am sick of being ripped off where you are". It's a very small and transparent market here, which sucks.

    And not "everyone" is - it's about four girls (in a club where 10-15 usually work a night), but enough that I can see (and hear) the impact.

    Manager wasn't in last night - I'm going to have a little word tonight - we are also seeing the same girls interrupt mid-conversation with a customer, and set up OTC work.

    I think the bit that REALLY annoys me is that one of the other 2 clubs is a club where ALL the girls overcharge $50-60 a dance, and the dances are dirtier, with OTC being the norm. Seriously - GO THERE. I don't understand why they wouldn't.
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    They wouldn't because there's a higher percentage of girls working at the dirty club that offer exactly what they do.
    Being at a cleaner club, they are the novelty. There are less of them and thus, more work for them.

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    I just wanted to take a second to laugh hysterically at the THREE times last night that I overheard guys walking out on dances with two of these girls, because they double checked the price as soon as they say down.

    Also - without me even bringing it up, one of the girls got a sit-down talking to, and another got a word from a bouncer. Apparently I wasn't the only one noticing.
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    I charge what I want but as I said before I'm in Las Vegas and can do that here. If the casinos can fix games in their favor why can't we. 90% of our customers are tourists or visitors.

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    Yeah I don't know, that's a tricky situation. Yeah girls should be able to decide what they want to charge, but you HAVE to be nice, and I really think it should only be done in certain situations because if the guys find out they get reeeeeaaallly pissed. Like so pissed they might not ever go to a stripclub again pissed, not just that particular one. Personally the only times I do it (rarely) is when someone is really a jerk. Then I think I deserve extra compensation and I don't give two shits if the guy never comes back or gets a dance again in his life! I've met a few guys over the years that flat out refuse to get dances due to being ripped off in the past, and I don't want to contribute to that. It sounds like management is trying to deal with the situation, if it's not dealt with soon, I'd suggest to your manager that they put a sign in each lapdance booth or one clearly visible at the vip entrance listing dance prices. I've worked in a few clubs with price signs and also ones that have signs reminding patrons that sexual favours are not permitted
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