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    I'm not sure how to begin this post but this is something that's been weighing on my mind for a long time. But do you ever feel guilty about having to dance or cam for a living? I often think about the Rapture. A couple of times, I had been told that since God knows my heart and understands that I was only dancing to support my family, I won't be left behind. That didn't really put me at ease. Whether He understands or not, I just didn't want to be in a club or on my way to a club when the Rapture does happen. I felt so relieved when I was finally able to get out of dancing and start a vanilla job. Unfortunately, the vanilla job didn't last (telemarketing) and when my husband lost his job of 14 years, things got really really bad. He eventually found another job and as anyone knows, once you go through your emergency funds, push comes to shove. Plus, my unemployment benefits were about to run out and I had no luck in finding another job so I wound up camming. So now I'm back to worrying about being left behind because of the camming. Another woman I spoke with about the matter doesn't feel that camming makes me a prostitute, etc. that is is just a job and when you're a mother, the instinct to provide for your children just kicks in. I just wonder if anyone else feels guilty.

    Before you say, just quit and get another or, keep in mind that the economy is so horrifically bad out there that there's literally nothing out there especially if you don't have transportation or limited transportation. Unless you're making a decent income, it's hard as hell to keep plenty of gas in your vehicle in order to drive from place to place for job interviews. I also want to share this video. It really scared me and I don't want to be accused of not warning anyone when the day comes. If you're not a believer in Jesus, don't even bother responding. No one is trying to shove it down your throat, you make your own decision on who or what you want to follow. I don't consider myself to be a Bible thumper but when the Lord speaks and wants us to spread His Word, I listen.
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    Well, I'm an Atheist, so... No. Not really.

    If your religion is that important to you, then no matter what validation you may think you have, you need to stop. You will end up eating yourself alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    So many people talk about how they wish they "didn't have to" cam/strip and it's just bullshit. People act like they're at this extreme point of desperation where they're left with no option except to cam... but... you still have internet... and a computer... which are luxuries. If I were concerned about my soul I'd have sold my computer and turned off my internet to keep paying for transportation to job interviews even to just get shitty part time jobs long before I'd be camming or stripping.
    It's ALWAYS easy for some to sit back and say it's bullshit and this and that when they're not in the situation. I'll tell you what, if you have a child that has to be homeschooled, you'll find that you'll need the "luxury" of the internet. When your so low on funds that you have to keep your kids fed, let's see if you'll select putting the money in for gas (if you even have enough) for a job interview or trying to keep food on the table for your kids, keep your utilities on as in water, electricity and gas. If you're ever in a situation where you need to get your child enrolled into online school or face the risk of having your kid(s) taken away from you because you've been accused of child abuse/neglect when your kid is too sick to physically attend school, you're spending what you have getting your child from one doctor to the next to get a diagnosis, etc, keep talking about it being bull shit since you think you have all the answers!!!

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    I'm atheist and I enjoy my work so I can't really understand your conflict, but I do know that there's no one interpretation of the bible or scripture. It's also weird to me that some of the 'laws' in the bible are considered obsolete almost universally (eg: eg: working on sunday, wearing blended fabrics) but anything involving sex or sexuality....nooo, god's enforcing those? Seems that has more to do with people's fears/issues surrounding sexuality than with the 'laws' of the deity they claim to represent. There's still a ton of interpretation here as well. Some churches consider homosexuality to be a sin, then you have gay positive churches like the one across the street from my home that hangs a pride rainbow flag above the front door. Which one is 'right'? Why should one set of beliefs about any subject, including your work, claim authority over a book that's open to a shit ton of interpretation?

    Reading your post I get the sense you're more worried about the ramifications of dancing...not just that you consider it a 'sin' but that you're worried about how you'll be punished for this alleged 'sin'. To me that would be an important distinction. If I was you and just truly felt that what I was doing was wrong, not because I was afraid of being punished during the rapture but because I felt it conflicted with who I was and what I believe, I would do everything I could to find another option, any option. If you're more afraid of the 'punishment' you'll receive for dancing, maybe do some reading about sex worker Christians and you might be surprised by what you find. Some Christians use scripture to argue that sex work and faith are totally compatible.

    Ultimately the bible is filled with laws and strictures that aren't really relevant to most (see above). Maybe all this is ultimately a good thing, if it forces you to really think about what it is you really believe, how you want your life to interact with your faith? Don't just ignore your guilt, either find a way to make your faith compatible with your work or find other work. Ultimately if you really believe dancing is an unforgiveable sin then you need to find a new option, all I'm saying is that many Christians don't consider sex work to be a 'sin'.

    I dunno, like I said I can't relate and from where I'm sitting it sounds like you're making smart, responsible choices in providing for your family. Good luck with all this

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    It's always easy for someone to say they don't have a choice to justify their actions.

    I never said I had all the answers.
    I'm saying that a lot of people use 'desperation' as an excuse to do something they're maybe not okay with... even though the point that they consider things to be desperate is at a point where they're maintaining a living standard that's not really all that bad.
    For someone with a sick child and extenuating circumstances... things like a computer, internet, a car you don't drive might all be necessary... but unless you mention those things... it's going to sound like you're using a challenging situation to justify being able to maintain a certain standard of comfort.

    If you really feel guilt over this and you really don't want to do it... you should find something else instead of settling for camming because you 'have to'.
    I understand but I didn't want to go into full details because I was under the impression that since most of us in here are dancers or cammodels, we don't try to judge others. I never said that camming is it for me. I'm still searching for a regular job. Nor do I feel that dancing or camming is an unforgivable sin. I merely wanted to know how others felt about their jobs knowing that the time for Rapture is near.

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    If you feel guilty about it, its not the right career/job for you. If you don't LOVE it and it doesn't feel like its the best option for you, then its not the best option for you.

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    My opinion is unless it's a job that actually hurts someone or is illegal then I see no reason why you would be punished. Jesus was a very tolerant person who had as friends prostitutes so if he didn't care,I doubt he would care about women who were camming or stripping. I actually believe he feels people who take advantage of others, like bankers are more morally bankrupt than strippers.

    Btw I am very religious, I attend church every week (sometimes more)and teach religious education and consider myself pretty schooled on the bible. The fact is every church looks at the bible differently and one church might say you are going to hell while the other will say not.

    As for the question, no I didn't feel guilty about stripping or nude modeling or doing phone sex because it was a job hurting no one. I don't feel I did anything immoral like scam people out of money or have sex with customers or anything I would be ashamed of. I feel far more guilty about some vanilla jobs I had like one that ripped off people.

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    ^ i agree. no, i've never felt guilty at all. why do you think showing the body god gave you and allowing lonely men to masturbate to it are sins? JW.
    really trying my best not to get into a religious debate here, but jesus hung out with hookers and thieves. i was raised christian although i'm definitely not anymore, i'm still sure you will be just fine lol

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    What about the other aspects in your life? Do you cuss? Have sex before marriage? You get wasted and party sometimes? Are you a perfect Christian? Do you abide by every single rule in the book? I am not religious and I understand you're not trying to shove religion down non religious peoples throats....but I noticed that when religious people speak of religion, they are pin pointing out a certain aspect in their lives...if you're that religious and concerned about the Lord, why not change ALL aspects of your life?

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    I'm not really religious, so here's I look at it: If there is a God, and he doesn't want me to show off my body so I can feed my kids, a money tree (or shrub, I'm not too greedy) will start growing in my back yard next to the berry bushes. *Looks outside* No, well I guess I'll go film that custom clip that was just ordered.

    I would actually feel more guilty if I quit working in the sex industry, got a vanilla job and had to go to the public aid office. I've been on aid before, and just prefer not to have to do it again unless I absolutely have to. I'm a healthy 27 year old woman. I have no reason that I shouldn't be able to support me and my kids. Doing sex work just makes it so I have a good income, don't have to send my kids to daycare, and still have time with the BF.

    If I happen to end up at some pearly gates, that's what I'd say too.

    Now in your case, if your religion is making you feel guilty, only you can decide what to do. Perhaps it's an issue to take up with your pastor or priest or rabbi, etc. But wasn't Mary Magdalene (?) a prostitute? She was in good with Jesus too if I remember my Bible stories correct.

    It's like DesvusDeath said, "So many people talk about how they wish they "didn't have to" cam/strip and it's just bullshit. People act like they're at this extreme point of desperation where they're left with no option except to cam... but... you still have internet... and a computer... which are luxuries. If I were concerned about my soul I'd have sold my computer and turned off my internet to keep paying for transportation to job interviews even to just get shitty part time jobs long before I'd be camming or stripping." Even in the vanilla world, you are CHOOSING to do that job. If you can't afford food, you cut out luxuries. Done that? Go collect aluminum cans or copper to cash in, sell extra stuff in your house, and get to the aid office. Churches will even help those in need, especially if it's one of their parishoners. YOU have to CHOOSE which job you want.

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    Um, no never. Why the hell should I feel guilty about paying my bills? I have a banging ass body and a nice pair of tits that I worked hard for and I like showing them off. Getting paid is just the icing on the cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysteriousMisty View Post
    . I merely wanted to know how others felt about their jobs knowing that the time for Rapture is near.

    WTF???? Are you Harold Camping trolling?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysteriousMisty View Post
    I merely wanted to know how others felt about their jobs knowing that the time for Rapture is near.
    *tries not to just burst into laughter*

    I don't understand what the bible has against the human form and human desire. I don't want this thread to end up as a religious debate, so ill just echo what the other girls have been saying...

    QUIT DOING IT IF YOU HAVE MORAL ISSUES AGAINST IT.

    I mean, there's no way this is your only option. Ugly people find ways to feed their kids too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsepmet1 View Post

    I mean, there's no way this is your only option. Ugly people find ways to feed their kids too.

    Thanks dude! You just made me spill my food laughing and now I'm late for work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsepmet1 View Post
    Ugly people find ways to feed their kids too.
    LMAO right! Misty, all of your talk about the economy was simply you convincing yourself that what you're doing is ok.

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    No, I do not feel guilty being a stripper rapture or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysteriousMisty View Post
    I'm not sure how to begin this post but this is something that's been weighing on my mind for a long time. But do you ever feel guilty about having to dance or cam for a living? I often think about the Rapture. A couple of times, I had been told that since God knows my heart and understands that I was only dancing to support my family, I won't be left behind. That didn't really put me at ease. Whether He understands or not, I just didn't want to be in a club or on my way to a club when the Rapture does happen. I felt so relieved when I was finally able to get out of dancing and start a vanilla job. Unfortunately, the vanilla job didn't last (telemarketing) and when my husband lost his job of 14 years, things got really really bad. He eventually found another job and as anyone knows, once you go through your emergency funds, push comes to shove. Plus, my unemployment benefits were about to run out and I had no luck in finding another job so I wound up camming. So now I'm back to worrying about being left behind because of the camming. Another woman I spoke with about the matter doesn't feel that camming makes me a prostitute, etc. that is is just a job and when you're a mother, the instinct to provide for your children just kicks in. I just wonder if anyone else feels guilty.

    Before you say, just quit and get another or, keep in mind that the economy is so horrifically bad out there that there's literally nothing out there especially if you don't have transportation or limited transportation. Unless you're making a decent income, it's hard as hell to keep plenty of gas in your vehicle in order to drive from place to place for job interviews. I also want to share this video. It really scared me and I don't want to be accused of not warning anyone when the day comes. If you're not a believer in Jesus, don't even bother responding. No one is trying to shove it down your throat, you make your own decision on who or what you want to follow. I don't consider myself to be a Bible thumper but when the Lord speaks and wants us to spread His Word, I listen.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqnLEcYetH4
    Oh, honey...where do I start?
    First of all, I'm going to ask you a very important question: have you ever accepted Christ as your personal savior? Meaning, do you believe he was a sacrifice for your spiritual freedom and that God's love is a gift that you can accept through Jesus? Do you believe there is a God and are you willing to make your life a reflection of his love? If so, then you're already on the right track.
    Romans 10:8-10 ESV
    But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

    So, if you've already done that, what's next? You might be wondering what God expects of you. Well keep in mind, the Bible is full of inconsistencies because it was written by man and has been translated and edited throughout history by order of several people in power at the time. Not to mention that several instances in the bible are outdated due to some topics (like pretty much all of Leviticus, ahem) being focused around the religious "cleanliness" laws at that time that are no longer in use today, though there are those that still abide by them...which I suppose is a personal choice since actually doing those things are NOT what are going to get you into Heaven according to several verses in the bible like this:
    Galatians 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
    Now, I should let you know now, I am a Christian that does not live my life exactly according to the bible (no one ever does!) because while I believe it was meant to be a wonderful handguide as to how to conduct ourselves as followers of Christ, I also believe there was too much in it changed, too much room for wrong interpretations of God's word, and I believe a personal relationship with God is more important than "Bible-thumping", as you put it.
    While it is important to know God's word, it's also very important to be able to live, to the best of your ability, by what CHRIST taught. In the old testament, we witness humanity at the mercy of an often times vengeful and angry God with no way of salvation. With the coming of Christ, we see God's relationship with man change drastically because Christ brought love, forgiveness, kindness, and righteousness to the world with the offer of salvation through faith in him. Jesus was the greatest example to all Christianity and so (in my eyes) is the most important to learn from. So let's take a look at some of the things he said and did, shall we?
    Christ could have picked men high in power to be his disciples; kings, judges, high priests...but instead he chose some of the lowest "scum" of society to be his closest, most trusted companions. He was an advocate for those who had no one in the world to stand up for them. He and his disciples attended a dinner with Matthew who invited some of the most notorious sinners...and Jesus still enjoyed their company despite ridicule from the Pharisees. Zaccheus was a crummy tax-collecter who lied and stole and cheated, and Christ didn't condemn him for it. He had supper with him, as well. Jesus stood up for the woman about to be stoned for her promiscuity, telling everyone that they had no right to judge her because no one is without sin. He washed his disciples' feet which was one of the very lowest acts of that time. Usually only servants did such things. Also, one of Jesus' closest friends (Mary Magdalene) was a prostitute!
    Based on the kind of person Jesus was and the kind of things he said, I highly doubt he would ever forsake you for camming, stripping or for any other reason if you truly love and follow him. ALL "sin" is equal. Lying is just as bad as murder in God's eyes, according to the bible. NO one is perfect. We are not expected to live that kind of perfect life.
    Romans 3:23 ESV
    For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    Jesus understands our shortcomings and knows we will never be perfect beings.
    Hebrews 4:15 ESV
    For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

    It also states in the bible that the Lord judges us not by what he sees on the outside, but by our true intentions of the heart. If you believe you are doing what is right and what is best for you at the moment, DO NOT be ashamed. God will see what is in your heart and find the good in your intentions.
    I'm going to wrap this up with three last topics to touch upon: Unconditional love, the rapture, and what Jesus has to say about both.

    Unconditional Love:
    What is love? (Baby, don't hurt me...) But seriously, let's look at what God says love is:
    1 Corinthians 13:4-7 ESV
    Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

    Love endures ALL things. No matter what you do, God will love you unconditionally. The bible often describes his love for us as "perfect love". Let's take a look at what this means...
    1 John 4:18 ESV
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

    God loves you unconditionally and perfectly. Meaning? You do not need to be afraid of him forsaking you!

    The Rapture:
    DUN DUN DUUUN! Alright, this is a cray cray topic with loooots of different interpretations and paranoid nutters out there who think they know all about it, but I'm gonna give you a little info that's gonna keep your head from exploding: If you've already accepted salvation, according to the bible, no matter what you do, you're not going to be "left behind". The rapture as we know it (thanks to the "Left Behind" series) isn't exactly...accurate. I won't get into a ton of details because that would just be me whipping up ANOTHER 100 pages for you to read anyway with a hefty side of ranting and would make me no better than the know-it-all nutters out there lol. Think of it this way, if God is letting ALL who truly follow him into heaven, no matter what they've done, WHY ON EARTH would you not be included in that? Don't worry about it!

    What Jesus Has to Say About Both:
    The rapture: Jesus said this about it:
    Matthew (NLT) 24:36
    "However, no one knows the day or the hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."

    Jesus also said we should not believe anyone who claims to be the Messiah or anyone who claims to know when He is coming again. The second coming of Jesus will be sudden, unexpected and unmistakable, like lightning flashing across the sky. The important thing is not to know when or how the end will come, but to be SPIRITUALLY prepared when it does. Meaning, make an effort to speak with God and to make yourself like Christ. Water your spiritual garden through prayer and take peace in knowing your relationship with God is not damaged because of who you are or what you do.
    As I've said by a thousand times by now, his love is unconditional and eternal. Here is what Christ says to his disciples before sending them out in the book of Matthew:
    Matthew 28:20 (KJV)
    "...and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

    ...Until the end of the world, huh? Like even until the rapture? Yup! Why wouldn't he?
    Girl, you need to stop worrying about these things and love what you do. Take pride in your job and don't worry about his judgement of you, because chances are, you'd have been better friends with Christ back in the day than a rich man or a high priest.
    Matthew 21:31
    "...Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you."

    One more thing...I feel you should read this every day before going about your business if this whole rapture thing is really getting you hung up in your spirituality:
    Matthew 6:25-34
    “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life? And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."


    Much love for you, Misty. Keep your head up. I sincerely hope this helped you out, even a little. I'll be sending prayer and some positive energy your way.
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    I couldn't imagine being this religious and even considering working in the sex industry, personally. But, I can't relate and I'm not judging because I'm not religious. I can understand your inner conflict. I'm not trivialising your feelings, but I suppose it would be similar to dancing when a spouse hated your job or dancing even though you were ashamed of how society viewed you for doing so. When a part of you doesn't believe in what you are doing or want to do it, it's always difficult, conflicting and damaging. If it's eating away at you and you have other job options available or can look into finding another position-it might be healthier in the long run.

    I understand that camming is probably easier as it's well paid and you can do it from home though. At the end of the day you are doing it to support your family and you should be proud, not ashamed or feeling guilty about that. You shouldn't feel guilty for being a good Mother and a provider.
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    I ask MysteriousMisty who did God hang out with? The sinners or the Tax Collectors? & Judge yourself on making others feel guilt.

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    I understand that camming is probably easier as it's well paid and you can do it from home though. At the end of the day you are doing it to support your family and you should be proud, not ashamed or feeling guilty about that. You shouldn't feel guilty for being a good Mother and a provider.
    Yeah, camming and dancing aren't even addressed in the bible! Technically, you're acting. You're playing a character, even if that character is an aspect of you, or you act like a caricature of yourself when working. Its still a character. Just like acting. And do you know how popular acting is as a career?!

    I'm probably an asshole, but TECHNICALLY, wouldn't it be wrong of you to assume what your god would think about things that didn't even exist yet (camming, stripping)? You're not a mind reader, and you shouldn't be expected to be one. If he really had a problem with all these things not addressed in the current bible (due to new technologies), I would imagine he would come down from where ever he's hiding and make someone write a new one that is culture-appropriate. I mean, doesn't he have the power to do that?

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    I think the real issue here is how SHE feels about it because of her religion, not what the bible actually says.

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    I think the real issue here is how SHE feels about it because of her religion, not what the bible actually says.
    I agree, but she is justifying the way she is feeling by basically talking about that.

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    ^^ I agree.

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    Atheist here, but if there were a God, why would God reward all the bad people by leaving them behind to party with all the cam girls?
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    Do I ever feel guilty for stripping? Nope. Never.

    I won't get too deep into religion.... but in the Bible, John 3:16 says “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

    Sooo... that should cover all your bases. Allz you gotta do is believe and you're set for eternal life. Simple as that.

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