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    Is it because many assume they are too old to still partake in the sugar daddy hunt? Although, I've met some vets in the game who are well into their late 40s. I enjoy the industry because I have the opportunity to travel, network and make money at the same time. I know a lot goes into it- the research, the hunting, emails, etc. but when you find that one its like gold

    Anyway, I am curious to know what some veteran sugar babies think. When it was good, how good was it and why are you no longer in the sugar industry now? I've read reports that its not what it used to be but do you think with age-- you lose the confidence and drive to compete with the younger girls coming in?

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    Default Re: Why are models bitter about the SD Industry?

    The internet diluted the pool with cheap amateur SB and cheap escorts - not trying to offend anyone ( we are all doing what we have to for ourselves ) but the bar got lowered - IMHO

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    What exactly is sugar babbying? I vaugly understand the concept. I just don't see the appeal to either party. It sounds like pure negotiation and haggling and more work, where at the end, no one's expectations are fully met.
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    And when you say model, do you mean escort?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exxotica View Post
    Is it because many assume they are too old to still partake in the sugar daddy hunt? Although, I've met some vets in the game who are well into their late 40s. I enjoy the industry because I have the opportunity to travel, network and make money at the same time. I know a lot goes into it- the research, the hunting, emails, etc. but when you find that one its like gold

    Anyway, I am curious to know what some veteran sugar babies think. When it was good, how good was it and why are you no longer in the sugar industry now? I've read reports that its not what it used to be but do you think with age-- you lose the confidence and drive to compete with the younger girls coming in?
    Wait what models are bitter? Also why would this be a competition between older women and younger women? This isn't the case at all and they aren't bitter as much as aware that the vast majority of men that claim they are sugar daddies make less than the women they are after. Even on of the known sugar babies ( a vet) she was in her late 40s and was doing great until the sugar daddy she was with started to mentally and emotionally abuse her. You know making off tone comments about her body to improve his self worth.

    The best place to find a sugar daddy type arrangement isn't on one of those "sugar daddy sites" it's in a strip club, cam site, phone etc. It's the adult industry that really allows such arrangement to work out and be quite beneficial for all parties involved. The SD sites set it up to where the women are throwing themselves at the ugliest of men. When you have a guy that's been turned down umm for the last 20 years or so he's not getting a huge ego boost on just logging in. Think about a regular dating site and a guy in his 60s sends you a message. You look at think wtf? You delete his message without even reading it. Now on a site like this a 60 year old man may appear to be sought after by actually having messages from young women. I mean that's an amazing change and why would any guy wether he had money or not leave a site that offered him so many options?

    When you have someone in the adult industry that knows her worth a man trying to offer $200-$1000 a month for unprotected sex isn't really going to get a bite. Now to a 18 year old that just left mommy and daddy this may seem like a big deal. $200 she gets could cover some books and she'll be hanging around this man hoping for some trinkets like umm "a $25 dinner" to flow her way.

    So I don't think it's really competition as much as the sites are filled mostly with "johns" that scour backpage looking for the woman that will give them a $60 sex but when he shows up he'll try to push for it to be $30 and also push for an extraa 20 mins if he can do it. Give that guy a membership of $50 a month and now he's going to try to see how much bullshit he needs to tell a bright-eyed newbie sugar baby to drop her panties for free or for cheap.

    Also to add Real Sugar Daddies went by monthly allowance. Now? $200-$500 per (hourless) meet is the going rate. In other words she's being treated like an escort without a clock. So getting more for less is the ultimate goal here. Plus pushing boundaries as well. I mean could a guy just sit and blow up an escort's phone all hours of the day? Nope. If he's not booking she's not talking.

    Lets even move into screening. Do any of these nubies screen? Nope . "Well he had on his profile he was worth 2 billion". Yet this man forgot to mention he added an extra four zeros to that income.

    Some sites have added features like backround checks or income verification. Guess what? Pretty much less than 5-10% of the members are have walked through the process. Many are afraid of being blackmailed. Most are lying about so much that they wouldn't even pass. So if women want to sit and waste their time hoping that some ugly gross guy is going to save the day they would probably make use of their time as an escort , cam model, phone sex op, dancer etc.

    Pretty much every industry worker's nightmare is the guy that's not only unttractive but cheap and also trying to push for more time. We all have dealt with that type in the industry and now those men fill up SDs site to the brim. Also egomaniacs? Crunchy guy having a bad day? All he needs is to sign up and start his picture collecting gallery. He gets the ego boost he's after and it only costed him $50 a month to pretend to have more to offer.

    Ohh and just to give you abit more. 3 cam guys that have sat in my room are on that site. They are all the cheap penny pincher types that come in to free chat trying to drop their email or trying to ask women to hook up for free off the site with the " I want to know you better " crap. They'll tip $5 and act as though they may not make their mortgage that month because of that small tip.

    Many have day jobs where they barely make ends meet. I mean scraping by in many cases worse than many of the women they talk with. Yet just because they are broke, out of shape and out of a reasonable age range doesn't make them want a woman any less than a man that has more to offer. They'll use the " well if she gets to know me and isn't a "gold digger" she will not care that I can only afford to eat cereal for breakfast, lunch and dinner. "lol

    Also there are the true blue guys that have the financial means to provide a very comfortable situation for a sugar baby. Actually I recall a member that made about 500K a year and he was offering only $1K a month. He was in his late 50s and also out of shape. Still he was one of those " I will not pay for sex, but I want some 22 year old old to be with me". So he was on the site meeting women and surprisingly trying to push into their personal lives. He wasn't looking for a sugar baby but was seeking a girlfriend yet again unreaslistic. Highly intelligent of course in all other areas but not so much dealing with the opposite sex several decades away from his own. So after he felt the "sb" he met wasn't really into him since she was always "dry" during sex. He ended up moving on. He couldn't handle it being about the money and feeling like the young woman in question was forcing herself to be with him for a buck. **sigh*

    One thing a john mentioned was that he can see sugar babies for cheap because they lie to themselves about not being "whores". I wondered about this myself since sex is required for the majority of today's arrangements. It's not a " well I just want to hold hands and help me with my studies old wise one". So when she says well I want $3000 a month etc and has specific times he may say " wait are you a whore?". She'll say "ooh no I'm not" Now he can play a mental game on getting her for cheap". Yet it's interesting that these same men go to the pros and wouldn't even think of playing with their time.

    As usual people will do what you allow them to.

    Ohh and one billionaire wrote about his SD experience. He went on to state that he only spends $500 a night on a SB no more than that. His NYC monthly mortgage is about $13,000-$18,000. He's pushing 70s and he only sees sugar babies between 18-21 years of age. NOw of course we already know an escort would cost several thousand for an over night stay. I'm pretty sure he knows that too.

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    I'm confused, because why would true models be jealous. No I don't consider escorts models, models actually model not have sex. Escorts may or may not have sex. As for younger women versus older that makes no sex because I'm sure older women know more likely younger women will get more offers. I'm 42 and I have no doubt that if I danced or escorted (I would never do this)I wouldn't make as much now as I would have.

    I did have a pseudo sugar daddy relationship many years ago. He was a CEO who was going through a divorce and wanted a pretty girl to escort him to events or just hang out with him at home (this was was rarer). We never had sex or even kissed except the cheek. He paid me so much a week and I had to make sure I kept certain days of the month free to attend some event with him like dinners. I can't remember how long it lasted (maybe 2-3 years)but eventually he moved away to become CEO in another state. Even if he hadn't moved I know eventually he would have tired of me and found someone else. It was actually easy money though and only cost me maybe 1-2 days a week to spend with him. I wouldn't do it again though as it became somewhat tiring.

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    Yeah, but the thing is escort agencies use the term model to be more confusing -- http://blueflamemodels.com/.
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    Aye...I was an SB and wasnt a cheap escort. Well, Im an escort now and still not a cheap escort LoL but having been both, I will say its very different.

    SB - the traditional term...not what is kind of evolved to be through the wonders of the internet, is a kept woman. Its not a *job* sex may or may not be a part of it, the SD could be her legit bf who she has an actual relationship with, but a part of the relationship is that he takes care of everything for her, and has the means to do so. With my SD, the first gift he bought me within the first 2 weeks was a computer...and right away started paying kiddos daycare fees of about 200/wk, plus was giving me extra spending money. At this time we werent even sleeping together yet... after about 2mnths, he got me an apartment and started giving me a $4k/month allowance. Wasnt till after that point when we were pretty much living together that our relatinship turned sexual.

    Thoughout our relationship, he bought a house I liked (it was in his name though *sigh*) he bought me a car (all mine, still mine) maintained the $4k/m allowance though I always ran out halfway through the month and so my allowance actually ended up being more like $6k/mnth most of the time, we went on trips to Europe, he sent me to CA a few times to spend time with my fam whenever I wanted, he sent my kid to one of the best private schools... We were together for over 5 years..and during that time I wanted for nothing. There was no negotiations...my allowance was direct deposited into my account every month. and if I wanted more, Id just tell him I ran out of money, hed sigh, say he doesnt know how I go through alll that money, and send me more. After we broke up, he still felt responsible for me because he got me accustomed to a certain type of lifestyle that he knew I would not be able to afford on my own. So he helped me get into a new place and still gave me an allowance for about a year...even though we werent involved or having sex anymore, our relationship was over, but he still cared about me and kiddo and took care of us til I could figure something out to get on my own feet.

    That to me is a SB relationship...a kept woman. He actually cares about your well being and pays you / provides a lifestyle to get you to stay.

    An escort is paid for services rendered. Its a business transaction nothing more. He pays you to leave.
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    OK that definition of sugar baby is what I was familiar with. The websites which promote sugar babies make it sound more short term or direct.
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    Just in case it wasn't clear. Look at what this 47 year old expects to provide as "dinner for three". lol


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    ^^^Thats just sad.

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    Default Re: Why are models bitter about the SD Industry?

    I've totally missed the models who were bitter about SD. Is there a post link you could direct me to?

    Personally, I'd never want a SD. That would be like putting all my financial eggs in one basket.

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    You cant paint them all with one brush - some are more worth it than others are - some are more demanding some not so much - a good one that is a FIT for YOu is a great thing to have

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    I've totally missed the models who were bitter about SD. Is there a post link you could direct me to?

    Personally, I'd never want a SD. That would be like putting all my financial eggs in one basket.
    This is very true... in my experience, though my SD took really good care of me, when we were having an argument or he was mad at me for whatever reason, my allowance would somehow arrive late, or "accidentally" be less than it should be. He always made it up, but I hated that it was something he could use as leverage.

    As much as I enjoyed the lifestyle and not having to worry about money, I did decide that when Im in a relationship, I want an average joe... as crazy as it may sound LoL I just want to be comfortable, and it really doesnt take much for me to be. But when it comes to work and making money, I like being an escort, because that way my money is coming from several different sources. A guy getting on my last nerve and pissing me off? I feel absolutely no pressure to do whatever to make him happy cause the rent is due...he can go fuck himself cause my rent is getting paid with or without him.

    I just love those guys who book extended dates or a coupel weekend dates and think that they have become invaluable to me and can start acting stupid...nope, you do something I dont like, and Im going to suddenly be too busy to see you. I dont need to put up with bad behavior or anythign I dont like...

    But yeah...when I do get into a legit relationship..if ever LOL Its going to be your average guy who goes to work from 9-5, and we are equals in the relationship...and I will always have my own way of making money, will never depend on a guy for everything again.
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    wait, a sugarbaby never has sex with a sugar daddy? wow i'm way behind lol..i always thought a sugar baby had sex with an SD, but it was long term. she accompanied him on dates/trips/etc. had dinner, got gifts, money, but sex was usually involved. no wonder there aren't any "real" sugar daddies out there!

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    It usually does involve sex in my understanding


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    LoL Simone...yeah... some do feel that way. But in the traditional sense, and also how I feel about it, its an actual relationship. Im not even sure how it would really work if it werent...the SD spoils and takes care of everything for the lady *because* he genuinely cares, wants the best for her, and wants to share his lifestyle / standard of life with her.

    But yeah, really seems things have evolved....with guys thinking if they give a girl a few hundred bucks hes an SD, or a girl thinking if she gets a few hundred bucks, and as long as she doesnt sleep with him shes not an escort but an SB. But Im an escort and I get a few hundred bucks to to spend time with a guy even without BCD, doesnt mean hes my SD LoL he isnt supporting me afterall, Im still an escort because he paid me for my time.

    But it definitely makes it harder for both the ladies and the gents looking for the "real thing"
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    Just in case it wasn't clear. Look at what this 47 year old expects to provide as "dinner for three". lol

    I think that guy is what we refer to on SW as a Splenda Daddy. $24 for 2 grown adults to eat at IHOP! My customers at the club would spend more on just me alone for breakfast. And I'd be damned if I got a SD just to go to IHOP....

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    I've been on Sugar Daddy sites since 2008 and I have met countless "sugar daddies." I can say with experience that nearly all of these men are either fake or just looking for cheap sex. A real sugar daddy/sugar baby relationship or "arrangement" as they call it is what has been referenced before...being a "kept" woman...is where the man is supposed to give you a hefty allowance, make sure all of your bills are taken care of, plus shopping/cash/spoiling in exchange for real companionship/sex/GFE/a travel partner/etc but without the hassle or expectations of a traditional relationship. I have never met or talked to an SD who didnt expect sex, after all, an "arrangement" is considered a real relationship, just NSA and w/o drama.

    I have heard from girls on the Seeking Arrangement blog that "pot SDs" as they call them (guys who offer $5,000-$20,000/mo allowance) exist on there, albeit in the bigger cities, but I have never ever met anyone like that living in a smaller town in the Midwest, although I only live a cpl hours from Chicago, no real Chicago SDs have materialized. One claimed a man wrote her a check for $10,000 on the first date. Not saying it didn't happen but I would say the real SDs and true millionaires who know what a real arrangement is all about on that site are few and far between. Many of the guys who are "diamond verified" on Seeking Arrangement still refuse to give more than $1000/mo to their SB.

    For the past year and a half I have a guy who claims to be some big hot shot in NYC, who has offered to fly me out to the city to spend a few days with him. His allowance on his profile claims he would give his SB $5,000-$10,000/mo in exchange for about 4 days spent together in a month. We have tried to set things up about three times now over the past year and a half but when it comes down to me confirming dates for airfare/hotel and asking for an itinerary he vanishes. He recently contacted me again in July saying "this time you can count on me" to then do the exact same thing he's always done. Is he real? Who knows. Don't believe it til I see the $$ and him in person.

    The other SDs on there are looking for girls they can have sex with for $200-$400 every couple of weeks. One guy offered to take me to breakfast then have hotel fun for $250. Asked if I would stay overnight. lol lol no. These men want to meet at iHops and shitty coffee shops. Omg, one guy had me meet him at Finleys and he kept his false teeth on the side of the table during our dinner. Other guys use the SD sites to rip girls off by promising "oh baby, ill give you $1500 when we meet," ask for nude photos, cyber sex, or phone sex, to never really plan on meeting--just using girls for free masturbation material.

    Anyway, this is just my experience with the whole "sugar daddy" thing.

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    I've been on Sugar Daddy sites since 2008 and I have met countless "sugar daddies." I can say with experience that nearly all of these men are either fake or just looking for cheap sex. A real sugar daddy/sugar baby relationship or "arrangement" as they call it is what has been referenced before...being a "kept" woman...is where the man is supposed to give you a hefty allowance, make sure all of your bills are taken care of, plus shopping/cash/spoiling in exchange for real companionship/sex/GFE/a travel partner/etc but without the hassle or expectations of a traditional relationship. I have never met or talked to an SD who didnt expect sex, after all, an "arrangement" is considered a real relationship, just NSA and w/o drama.

    I have heard from girls on the Seeking Arrangement blog that "pot SDs" as they call them (guys who offer $5,000-$20,000/mo allowance) exist on there, albeit in the bigger cities, but I have never ever met anyone like that living in a smaller town in the Midwest, although I only live a cpl hours from Chicago, no real Chicago SDs have materialized. One claimed a man wrote her a check for $10,000 on the first date. Not saying it didn't happen but I would say the real SDs and true millionaires who know what a real arrangement is all about on that site are few and far between. Many of the guys who are "diamond verified" on Seeking Arrangement still refuse to give more than $1000/mo to their SB.

    For the past year and a half I have a guy who claims to be some big hot shot in NYC, who has offered to fly me out to the city to spend a few days with him. His allowance on his profile claims he would give his SB $5,000-$10,000/mo in exchange for about 4 days spent together in a month. We have tried to set things up about three times now over the past year and a half but when it comes down to me confirming dates for airfare/hotel and asking for an itinerary he vanishes. He recently contacted me again in July saying "this time you can count on me" to then do the exact same thing he's always done. Is he real? Who knows. Don't believe it til I see the $$ and him in person.

    The other SDs on there are looking for girls they can have sex with for $200-$400 every couple of weeks. One guy offered to take me to breakfast then have hotel fun for $250. Asked if I would stay overnight. lol lol no. These men want to meet at iHops and shitty coffee shops. Omg, one guy had me meet him at Finleys and he kept his false teeth on the side of the table during our dinner. Other guys use the SD sites to rip girls off by promising "oh baby, ill give you $1500 when we meet," ask for nude photos, cyber sex, or phone sex, to never really plan on meeting--just using girls for free masturbation material.

    Anyway, this is just my experience with the whole "sugar daddy" thing.

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    The other SDs on there are looking for girls they can have sex with for $200-$400 every couple of weeks. One guy offered to take me to breakfast then have hotel fun for $250. Asked if I would stay overnight. lol lol no. These men want to meet at iHops and shitty coffee shops.
    Omg, one guy had me meet him at Finleys and [B
    he kept his false teeth on the side of the table during our dinner[/B]. Other guys use the SD sites to rip girls off by promising "oh baby, ill give you $1500 when we meet," ask for nude photos, cyber sex, or phone sex, to never really plan on meeting--just using girls for free masturbation material.

    Anyway, this is just my experience with the whole "sugar daddy" thing.
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    Default Re: Why are models bitter about the SD Industry?

    Yeah, the teeth thing made me upchuck....oh boy!

    Even though I happened to meet my SD online, it was purely by chance...I wasnt looking for an SD. And when he told me about himself all the things he wanted to do to help me out, I didnt believe a word of it LoL I think that if you want an old-fashioned genuine SD, the best way to meet him is the old fashioned way. In person. Spend time in upscale restaurants / lounges / volunteer and take part in charity events / go to the theatre / etc etc etc.

    Go where the wealthy guys go and catch them on their turf....
    There are guys on those SD sites, but so far and few between, all that effort is better spent actually going out and meeting someone.
    Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. Don't turn your back. Don't look away. And don't blink!

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