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    I direct my own traffic to this site, as well. I used to only direct my customers to Indie Bill because of the higher percentage, but if you can get onto the front page of CMD before the loading bar, you really do get decent traffic. I get a lot of paypal jerks, but I block them and move on.

    Listing sites like CMD basically guarantee that you're going to be exposed to asshole time wasters. It's part of the indy game. The trade off is that you don't have to do free chat, and you can make a higher percentage than on sites like Streamate.

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    Just wondering how everyone is doing on CMD this month? I haven't had a show in 2 weeks! This is so odd for me and my profile is just sinking deeper and deeper down the list.
    Ditto unfortunately

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    I get maybe one or two a week for the past few weeks.

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    What i see on cmd is that girls that are on top keep selling a lot because they are on top and are seen, girls that are down on the page get less sales and cant get any better because they are not seen. This is my own experience, i had a guy who bought a lot, i went to the top, made more sales, then 2 days have passed without sales and i went down to the bottom of the page. Client comes to me and says: ive never seen you on the site before. (what?) lol
    Yes, i have had guys saying they never saw me on the site. Wouldnt be fair to have a system that gave everyones opportunity to show on top and make money? The Top Models can still show on the first row, but the rest of them, be randomly chose to show on top and have the chance to get sales? I think its fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procrasturbator View Post
    The Paypal guys have always been there and they will always be there. I've been on CMD for four years now and I wouldn't say I've noticed a rise in Paypal guys, except that there have been some very real payment issues lately that sometimes prevent legit guys (trustworthy regulars) from paying through the site. Obviously those guys will ask about off-site payments. But aside from that it's pretty much the way it's always been for me, just on a larger scale.

    That's probably not super helpful though. All I can suggest is to not let it get under your skin and try to minimize the time you spend on them before figuring out how they'll pay. One of the first things I ask (after the "hey, how are you"s) is where they found me. If they act cagey about that then there's a very good chance that they won't pay through the site and if they confirm that they won't then there's no reason to waste any more time on them.
    Well it's probably b/c I haven't had a lot of guys reach out to me in a very long time, but unlike you, I never had this problem before until the last month or so.

    I don't waste time on them & none of them refuse to tell me, I'm just getting too many of them IMO & many of them ping me when I'm not here, so it takes a few days to actually talk to them & we go back & forth.

    If I was getting real customers to even it out, ok, fine, but I'm not.

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    What i see on cmd is that girls that are on top keep selling a lot because they are on top and are seen, girls that are down on the page get less sales and cant get any better because they are not seen. This is my own experience, i had a guy who bought a lot, i went to the top, made more sales, then 2 days have passed without sales and i went down to the bottom of the page. Client comes to me and says: ive never seen you on the site before. (what?) lol
    Yes, i have had guys saying they never saw me on the site. Wouldnt be fair to have a system that gave everyones opportunity to show on top and make money? The Top Models can still show on the first row, but the rest of them, be randomly chose to show on top and have the chance to get sales? I think its fair.
    I agree.

    And I don't know if it's the same way now, but before the girls who bid for the top spot would also be shown on the line below the top spot. I never understood the point of that. So the guy see the girls twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SylvySinclair View Post
    What i see on cmd is that girls that are on top keep selling a lot because they are on top and are seen, girls that are down on the page get less sales and cant get any better because they are not seen. This is my own experience, i had a guy who bought a lot, i went to the top, made more sales, then 2 days have passed without sales and i went down to the bottom of the page. Client comes to me and says: ive never seen you on the site before. (what?) lol
    Yes, i have had guys saying they never saw me on the site. Wouldnt be fair to have a system that gave everyones opportunity to show on top and make money? The Top Models can still show on the first row, but the rest of them, be randomly chose to show on top and have the chance to get sales? I think its fair.
    That's the idea behind the new models page and featured spots, and if someone's really having trouble being seen then that's probably worth a shot, though I haven't tried it myself. I think one of the things that's vital on CMD (and camming in general, but especially indy camming and especially an indy site where placement is based on income, like CMD) is regulars. I frequently take time off, waaaaay too much time, enough to completely lose my placement but I can get back to the first few rows in a day or two of work because I've built a significant base of regulars who see me online on Skype and Discord. I don't necessarily need new CMD traffic to make good money on CMD, and I'm sure this is true for most of the girls you see in the first few rows. There simply isn't the same amount of traffic as sites like Streamate and MFC so you have to make the most of what you get, i.e. turn as many guys into regulars as possible. When I was new on CMD I read a blog post there that talked about aiming for 80%+ of your income to come from repeat customers, and I'd say that's the norm for me now. Anyone relying on CMD for a steady stream of new paying customers comparable to SM etc will probably be disappointed, but they're a great source of loyal regulars, and still have better traffic than any indy site except maybe Skyprivate (but of much higher quality.)

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    Of course regular are important, i wouldnt be camming for 17 years now if i was waiting for a new client everyday. The problem on cmd, in my opinion, is that the first page is always the same, always. You dont see new faces there, and im not talking about new models on the site, im talking about all the models showing on the first page, before the loading button, once in a while. If you dont get seen, you dont get shows and you wont get regulars, because you are not selling! I already talked to Ally about this and with Gerald and they both agree with me. Lets hope some changes can be done to benefit all cam girls, not only top models.
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    ^ When I go to the CMD homepage, before I scroll down, there's a giant banner and 10 spots visible (with the last 5 spots just a sliver of the top of their pics.) The scrolling banner (of the 10 featured models), the online featured models, and then the non-featured top models. If all of the featured models were online at the same time then 100% of the page before scrolling would be taken up by featured models, not the non-featured top models. That's a lot of exposure, and I'd argue that it's more fair to non-top models than almost any other site I can think of. That's the point of the featured models... If for whatever reason you don't get enough customers as a new model to be seen after the new model tag expires (and it doesn't take much), you can get a leg up by buying exposure for a little while then use that momentum to stay near the top. I'm all for models getting the help they need to be successful on CMD, but if they don't do well as a new model and they don't do well with featured placement (which can already take up the entire page before the customer scrolls down) then the issue can't just be exposure, as both of those are highly visible and attainable for everyone, so it's not likely to be solved by... more exposure. If they can figure out a way to help the models who aren't doing well, that's awesome, but like I said, I don't think more exposure is going to do it considering the massive amount of exposure already available to featured models.

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    Well Im not talking abt me as I have my own site to be top row if i want to, but i see on MFCG whenever i feature random models, these get more sales as well and they constantly appreciate that and thank me. I just gave an idea, if then, its not used or considered good, then they are entitled to do whatever they want.
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    Oh totally, I think your input as someone who runs your own indy listing site is valuable, it's just that CMD already has that in the form of featured models, the only difference is that you have to pay for it. Which annoyed me at first (when they overhauled the site way back when) but at the moment I think it's a nice balance. Like I said earlier, I have no experience bidding so I don't know exactly how this would work but maybe a lottery for one free featured spot for models who can't or won't pay for one would be a good idea.

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    The bidding feature in my opinion is too high, not knowing if it will be a good thing, that you will get more sales and all, having to bid between 50 and 100, for me is not feasible, but randomly show on the first page, it is. But yes, like you said, is how cmd is ran and they might not want to change that. I talked to Gerald about it, he liked my idea, so i hope they change a bit in the future and that will benefit a lot of girls in my way of seeing. The site is not mine like i said, but on my site i like to give all girls the same opportunity. Well, that all, lol. Nothing else to say.
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    I've tried several times to bid which for me means getting up really early and sitting in front of the computer only to get outbid at the last second so it was a waste of time.
    How about something like LCMS? Anytime I pop up on the front page there I get more business and that way everyone gets a chance so even though I suspect LCMS has less actual traffic I make much more money there as I get to be seen and make those regulars in the first place. As it is unless you happen to get a whale you're pretty much SOL.

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    Thats what i was saying all along. Giving a chance for all girls to show once on the first page, to make a sale and get a new regular. I think is a good way for girls.
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    I rarely get any customers from CMD. Maybe it's because i'm only doing domination so the site would be more for girls that do the regular camshows...i don't know.I've seen 1 or 2 Dommes that were there on the first 2 rows.For me it's not working however.
    Another thing,i keep seeing a lot of guys in the "Crooked customers" list with Skype id's starting with live:
    Are this guys worth adding? I had many adding me but none actually purchased anything.Sometimes i believe that they are all just scammers.
    Has anyone ever had legit (live customers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPookie View Post
    I've tried several times to bid which for me means getting up really early and sitting in front of the computer only to get outbid at the last second so it was a waste of time.
    How about something like LCMS? Anytime I pop up on the front page there I get more business and that way everyone gets a chance so even though I suspect LCMS has less actual traffic I make much more money there as I get to be seen and make those regulars in the first place. As it is unless you happen to get a whale you're pretty much SOL.
    I've had the opposite experience with LCMS. I LOVE the site, love the owner (seriously, her dedication and professionalism is so far beyond any other site I've worked with), love the payout, and if you're bringing your own traffic I always recommend it over any other site, but the traffic's not really there for me at this point, even when I'm a featured model. I haven't personally noticed a major difference between being featured on the main page and not, though I'm sure that will change as the site grows. I've got some guys from there and they tend to be higher quality guys--if a guy says he found me on LCMS he's much more likely to pay through the site and spend a lot than he would be if he said he said he found me on CMD--but I couldn't live off of LCMS traffic alone, while I could feasibly live off of CMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by panzi View Post
    I rarely get any customers from CMD. Maybe it's because i'm only doing domination so the site would be more for girls that do the regular camshows...i don't know.I've seen 1 or 2 Dommes that were there on the first 2 rows.For me it's not working however.
    Another thing,i keep seeing a lot of guys in the "Crooked customers" list with Skype id's starting with live:
    Are this guys worth adding? I had many adding me but none actually purchased anything.Sometimes i believe that they are all just scammers.
    Has anyone ever had legit (live customers?
    The "live:" doesn't mean that they're timewasters, I think it means that they use their email as their Skype or something like that. I have plenty of legit "live:" customers. I recommend adding everyone who's not on the CCL as fraud (or something else you absolutely don't want to deal with, like underage, recording shows etc), as I have a lot of spenders on there listed as timewasters. I'm sure they've wasted someone's time, and most of them have wasted my time at some point, but it doesn't mean that they don't spend, it's just a warning not to spend too much time on them before they pay you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Procrasturbator View Post
    The Paypal guys have always been there and they will always be there. I've been on CMD for four years now and I wouldn't say I've noticed a rise in Paypal guys, except that there have been some very real payment issues lately that sometimes prevent legit guys (trustworthy regulars) from paying through the site. Obviously those guys will ask about off-site payments. But aside from that it's pretty much the way it's always been for me, just on a larger scale.

    That's probably not super helpful though. All I can suggest is to not let it get under your skin and try to minimize the time you spend on them before figuring out how they'll pay. One of the first things I ask (after the "hey, how are you"s) is where they found me. If they act cagey about that then there's a very good chance that they won't pay through the site and if they confirm that they won't then there's no reason to waste any more time on them.
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    Oh totally, I think your input as someone who runs your own indy listing site is valuable, it's just that CMD already has that in the form of featured models, the only difference is that you have to pay for it. Which annoyed me at first (when they overhauled the site way back when) but at the moment I think it's a nice balance. Like I said earlier, I have no experience bidding so I don't know exactly how this would work but maybe a lottery for one free featured spot for models who can't or won't pay for one would be a good idea.

    On the old layout, there were a few different promotion options, for different time lengths & prices, along with a rolling front page. Which seemed way more rounded and inclusive. Now there are the features spots, that cost a ridiculous amount for a week of mhh promotion. I'm sure the customer base gets just as bored seeing a mostly stagnant front page, continuously featuring the same models.

    I'd rather send a custom clip guy, here & there to pay via CMD, than drop the cash needed to bid on a feature spot.

    Maybe if I was an everyday cammer, I'd see more of a sales bump from feature spots, but for me the $50-100 you need to spend for a feature spot never adds up to enough of a sales increase to justify the expense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistress Anika View Post
    On the old layout, there were a few different promotion options, for different time lengths & prices, along with a rolling front page. Which seemed way more rounded and inclusive. Now there are the features spots, that cost a ridiculous amount for a week of mhh promotion. I'm sure the customer base gets just as bored seeing a mostly stagnant front page, continuously featuring the same models.

    I'd rather send a custom clip guy, here & there to pay via CMD, than drop the cash needed to bid on a feature spot.

    Maybe if I was an everyday cammer, I'd see more of a sales bump from feature spots, but for me the $50-100 you need to spend for a feature spot never adds up to enough of a sales increase to justify the expense.

    YES this times 100000. The new site does look prettier but is was a lot more engaging and inclusive before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chloemay View Post
    YES this times 100000. The new site does look prettier but is was a lot more engaging and inclusive before.
    Just wanted to comment. I pay for advertising on CMD because I make 250-400+% when I pay the $40-$95 per week in advertising. Damn good investment when I know my camming availability is fairly open that week. Plus all their fees are tax deductible at the end of the year as advertising expenses. More money + all tax deductible. SCORE! Great site.

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    Every customer I’ve come across is having a payment issue tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pippapippa View Post
    Every customer I’ve come across is having a payment issue tonight.


    Hello everyone,

    As some of you have noticed, a test has been running on CMD for the past week in terms of payment processing. It caused difficulties for some customers.

    Please note that since this morning, the regular payment processing implementation is running again.

    The goal of this test was to establish how good the payment processing could be on CMD relying only onto European payment processors (we disabled the US based payment processor).

    We’re not making those tests lightheartedly - we wish we could keep processing payments in the USA as it’s the easier way to make it work well.

    Unfortunately, having US based payment processors requires us to operate a US subsidiary which has become too dangerous in light of FOSTA / SESTA. Essentially, this law dramatically increase our risk to go to jail in case of wrongdoing from a CMD user. That’s why, like many other adult site operators, we’re extremely worried by it.

    Since our parent company is located in Europe, we intend to make CMD work perfectly while being subject only to European laws. In order to do so, we needed to run an extensive test so we could find out the issues (and not announcing the test so to collect ‘real data’).

    In the current standing, processing payments from Europe only resulted in a 10% loss of revenue for CMD, and consequently for you (on average).

    This is too much. We believe we can reach 97%+ of the US payment processor performance from Europe, and will add different payment options on-top so to compensate for the inevitable loss (US based processors simply work better for US based customers).

    Thanks to this test we have established that most of the problems come from a small number of card types & banks. We’re currently upgrading our payment implementation so that it generally works better, and inform customers when they try a card that we cannot process.

    Kind regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMDAlly View Post
    Hello everyone, As some of you have noticed, a test has been running on CMD for the past week in terms of payment processing. It caused difficulties for some customers. Please note that since this morning, the regular payment processing implementation is running again. The goal of this test was to establish how good the payment processing could be on CMD relying only onto European payment processors (we disabled the US based payment processor). We’re not making those tests lightheartedly - we wish we could keep processing payments in the USA as it’s the easier way to make it work well. Unfortunately, having US based payment processors requires us to operate a US subsidiary which has become too dangerous in light of FOSTA / SESTA. Essentially, this law dramatically increase our risk to go to jail in case of wrongdoing from a CMD user. That’s why, like many other adult site operators, we’re extremely worried by it. Since our parent company is located in Europe, we intend to make CMD work perfectly while being subject only to European laws. In order to do so, we needed to run an extensive test so we could find out the issues (and not announcing the test so to collect ‘real data’). In the current standing, processing payments from Europe only resulted in a 10% loss of revenue for CMD, and consequently for you (on average). This is too much. We believe we can reach 97%+ of the US payment processor performance from Europe, and will add different payment options on-top so to compensate for the inevitable loss (US based processors simply work better for US based customers). Thanks to this test we have established that most of the problems come from a small number of card types & banks. We’re currently upgrading our payment implementation so that it generally works better, and inform customers when they try a card that we cannot process. Kind regards, The CMD team
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    Quote Originally Posted by naomi_doll View Post
    Will you be changing the payment processor for IndieBill as well since your company owns both?
    No, we do not plan to change the IndieBill processor at this time. The two sites, while owned by the same group, are operating separately and with separate processors.

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    Are we allowed to do step mom/ step son roleplay again since the site is under new ownership?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girly_Girl View Post
    Are we allowed to do step mom/ step son roleplay again since the site is under new ownership?
    Hello,

    Our former Compliance Policy is still in place. So any family relations, step included, are still prohibited.

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