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    When I go to a club, I sometimes spend decently big. Maybe $800. Start with a few lap dances, negotiate what will happen in VIP, and do it. VIP is usually $150 for 15, $225 for 30. Discuss touching level for tips, and off we go. Often just the base, which is pretty sweet even after the house take, sometimes an extra tip of $50-$100.

    And off we go.

    What kills me is about one third of the girls then renege on the deal. Want more than negotiated. But we alread discussed it. So the situation gets tense. I ask if I need to get a refund. Instead she now plays by the deal, but she's lost the repeat and some of the additional tip from me.

    If they deliver as promised, they get additional tip anyhow, and more sessions right then. What they call 'landing a whale.' But they kill their whale when they cheat.

    Is this normal? Why is this their strategy?

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    Default Re: Better revenue by not lying

    Not all dancers care or even think about repeat business. They just want as much money as possible as soon as possible. If they renege, you're well within your rights to just walk away and not suffer through the tense situation. It's your money, spend it on whoever you actually want to spend time with.

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    Maybe they feel your not offering enough money to actually "deliver", different girls feel they are worth different amounts. Some like peanuts and some know they are worth the big bucks and wont "deliver" unless they get it.

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    didn't somebody just make this post, only with more colorful threatening language? i've never done this, but many girls have to lie because asshole customers won't get VIP without promises of sex/bj/hj/etc. and many don't consider a 30 min champagne room for 225 landing a "whale" lol.
    also, what is this "refund" you speak of? i have never encountered a club that offers their customers a refund for not getting blown

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    ^^LOL, exactly this is no whale even if you do a vip every time you come in with me, a whale will pay your college tuition, buy you a house/car. Many girls will not "deliver unless these things happen, me being one of them. I hate douchy customers who threaten to get refunded cuz I didnt suck their d*cks. This is why as soon as a guy says "what are we gunna do in the vip" I am out! Cuz I know right then and there that this is no "whale" I am talking to. A whale will do vip for 8 hours straight and not even expect an extra.

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    anyone who uses the term "negotiate" as much as you do is someone who's gonna be a nasty mother fucker in vip so nope, no problem shifting to 100% airdancing when I get tired of dodging your aggressive hands!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ava$ View Post
    Maybe they feel your not offering enough money to actually "deliver", different girls feel they are worth different amounts. Some like peanuts and some know they are worth the big bucks and wont "deliver" unless they get it.
    Maybe. I can understand that. But don't say you'll do one thing and then do another. That's where the trouble starts. Just say no, don't say yes and then deliver no.
    Quote Originally Posted by ava$ View Post
    Many girls will not "deliver unless these things happen, me being one of them. I hate douchy customers who threaten to get refunded cuz I didnt suck their d*cks. This is why as soon as a guy says "what are we gunna do in the vip" I am out!
    Good. Be up front about it. For what it's worth, I don't ask for dick sucking or anything on the far side of it. Out here, air dance is the starting point.
    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    anyone who uses the term "negotiate" as much as you do is someone who's gonna be a nasty mother fucker in vip so nope, no problem shifting to 100% airdancing when I get tired of dodging your aggressive hands!!
    But if we've 'negotiated' more, you've cheated at that point. And then I'll go get a refund. Which I've requested twice and gotten twice. The club values no trouble a lot more than they value a troublesome dancer.

    That's the bit I don't understand. It's okay that you don't want touching, just don't say you'll let it happen and then renege. Why do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    i've never done this, but many girls have to lie because asshole customers won't get VIP without promises of sex/bj/hj/etc.
    False promises are the problem. I don't ask for "sex/bj/hj/etc" though. This area starts far tamer than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    also, what is this "refund" you speak of? i have never encountered a club that offers their customers a refund for not getting blown
    I haven't asked to "get blown", but I've also not been refused a refund. I think you over estimate how much the club cares about keeping you happy when trouble starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moff View Post
    I haven't asked to "get blown", but I've also not been refused a refund. I think you over estimate how much the club cares about keeping you happy when trouble starts.
    haha, silly boy! i don't think the club wants to "keep me happy" , i think the club wants their money! and they aren't going to let some jackass spend time in there getting dances and then say " welp, didnt work out i want a full refund". unless you've been in there under 2 minutes. the club is there to make money off of us and off of you. they aren't on anybody's side.
    and if you are asking for such "tame" favors, why are all these strippers balking and having to give you the run around?
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    Default Re: Better revenue by not lying

    You better give me what I want because the club cares more about me than you, silly whore.

    Did I get that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsepmet1 View Post
    You better give me what I want because the club cares more about me than you, silly whore. Did I get that right?
    Not quite. Missed the premise. Give me what you promised, or I'll get a refund. Don't promise what you won't deliver. I'd guess if a customer asks for refunds several times, he'd get banned or kicked out. But once? My experience is they see the longer view. Keep the customer happy and coming back.

    I don't understand the anger from dancers on this topic. If you promise (or 'negotiate'), and fail to deliver, why get upset at the customer getting upset? What I'm hearing is that the promises are irrelevant because the customer is wrong to ask what you agreed to. That isn't computing for me.

    Tell me. Why are your promises and your word so different from everyone elses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    and if you are asking for such "tame" favors, why are all these strippers balking and having to give you the run around?
    As I said, doesn't happen often. I just don't understand why it ever happens.

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    Lol I have been fortunate to rarely get shitty dances but even when I did I would never consider asking for a refund, and I have never heard of anyone ever actually receiving one if they asked. If there is one thing that I have learned clubbing thru the years is that we are all disposable sources of income to these clubs, and the management doesn't give a fuck about you or me or anything except their bank accounts & their bottom line. If you are a pain in the ass then buh-bye because there will be plenty more behind you to backfill your now empty chair.

    As to why some dancers promise shit and don't deliver - human greed and wanting more for doing less. She'll agree with the deal until it's time to deliver then hope that you'll be OK with not getting it, or she'll begrudgingly deliver when pushed. To her it's worth the risk of losing your future business for the money in her hand NOW. Livin' large in the moment. Very short sighted business approach, but they are strippers, not economic advisors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moff View Post
    As I said, doesn't happen often. I just don't understand why it ever happens.
    Some people lie. This particular personality trait is not relegated only to some dancers. Customers lie too. Some people lie. It's really no more complicated than that.
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