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    It is my understanding the opposite is true. I read an interesting book on the subject call, "Lies my Teacher Told Me".
    I think that depends WHERE we are talking about. Some states like Texas , which is STILL infected by the ignorance and bias of the Gablers ( who are both long dead , Thank God ! - just read the Wikipedia bio of Mel Gabler and be prepared to cringe ! ) are probably likely to pass over how badly we treated Native Americans. You can throw in a lot of the South , Arizona and some conservative hot beds. In most "blue" states at least , they often go too far in the opposite direction e.g. " Native Americans were peaceful and peace loving until the white man came along ." Almost every history textbook used in elementary , middle and high school is not worthy of the term "history ". Although the one we used in my AP History class wasn't bad but that was a COLLEGE textbook used in a senior H.S. class. It's no secret that I LOVE history and nothing makes me sadder than the historical illiteracy of the average high schooler in the U.S. Afaic facts are facts. If it happened it happened. Unpleasant facts ( many Founding Fathers owned slaves; FDR did nothing to help European Jews during W.W. II , the U.S. committed war crimes during W.W. II etc. ) can sometimes be explained but they shouldn't be avoided altogether.

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    Very true. I was reading recently a book about the Japanese Americans who were interned during WW2 and was horrified by what they dealt with. Yes we were at war with Japan but many of these Japanese were American born and had as much in common with Japan as a white person who had a long dead ancestor from another country.

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    and some of those Japanese in internment camps had sons fighting against the Nazis in Europe.

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    Very true Eagle. In fact I remember hearing about a couple who lost two sons in battle and had a third also fighting. It was pure racism because then why weren't German or Italian Americans interned? I think we all know why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odette View Post
    I like this idea!

    1) That electrons "jump" from valence ring to valence ring. Wrong: they "teleport" by appearing and reappearing. Blew my mind.
    2) That feminism had achieved equality already and for all purposes men and women were already equal citizens.
    3) That we live in a "democracy".
    4) That knowledge/intelligence is more important than money.
    5) That capitalism "is the system that benefits the most people worldwide".
    For (3) I think you mean to say "direct democracy." The US is a representative democracy, a republic, and a federation. The terms refer to different aspects of government and are not mutually exclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveHerButton View Post
    ok, there is your faith then. It isn't provable or there wouldn't be speculation about how many dimensions there are.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

    ^ I love that site. It saves me a lot of time. Anyway, that's a false dichotomy. Of course something can be proven and there can still be speculation about it. That 5 divided by 2 equals 2.5 is as proven as anything can be proven, but I've had people argue with me over it (side note: I'm so glad I don't work retail anymore).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveHerButton View Post
    String theorist can explore the world view that there are 11 or more dimensions because they know that nobody can prove they are wrong. They are aware of the assumptions that everyone else do not even notice.
    They can be proven wrong by showing Loop quantum gravity ,which doesn't need those extra dimensions, is correct or if we never find evidence for extra dimensions then that is evidence that they don't exist

    Its like the aether theories. They spent years trying to find it and failed then tried to say it exists but it is impossible to find then one day Einstein shows up with said the real reason why we cant find it is because it doesn't exist

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveHerButton View Post
    lestat1 I think we are on the same side of the argument. The lie that schools perpetuate is the implication that science does not require faith. I am restricting my argument to one branch of philosophy (science) and say it is based upon assumptions. You are taking it even further and saying all of reality requires faith. We are on the same side, we just have a different scope.

    jjk - 2 years and this is your fourth post? So you have been waiting for a discussion on the fabric of the universe? lol, ok if they ever prove LQG I admit we will be much closer to eliminating 'faith' from science but it will still be required. Assumptions are at the edges of knowledge, they will always be around.

    Moving on from this topic.....

    Eric, you like history. This isn't exactly a school lie but in school when they discussed Nazi blitzkrieg they emphasized the tactic (wasn't actually an innovation) but did not mention that the German troops were fast because they were cranked up on Methamphetamine. No wonder the government got so interested in drug research after WWII.
    That is true - German troops who invaded France , Holland and Belgium in W.W. II were issued Benzedrine. Many later recounted that they didn't sleep for 2 and 3 days at a time. It was one reason why they were able to advance so far and so fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Very true Eagle. In fact I remember hearing about a couple who lost two sons in battle and had a third also fighting. It was pure racism because then why weren't German or Italian Americans interned? I think we all know why.
    German and Italian American CITIZENS were not interned in the U.S. Japanese American citizens were interned.
    German and Italian Aliens were interned.
    There was one exception. About 50 members of the German American Bund were arrested and confined during the war. A few had their citizenship revoked and were deported to Germany after the war.
    Almost all the Italian interns were released by the end of 1943. Italy had surrendered and was a co-belligerent by then.

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    Right, the citizens of German and Italian descent were not interned, which to me was wrong. It seemed like Japanese Americans were singled out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Right, the citizens of German and Italian descent were not interned, which to me was wrong. It seemed like Japanese Americans were singled out.
    They were. Roosevelt knew better but ordered their internment anyway based on national politics , not military necessity.

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    Speaking of which, schools were taught FDR was such a great guy when he had a lot of negative aspects of him. Also, related to that school children are probably not taught that when Hitler came to power many Americans were happy with him and many American businesses worked with him.

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    circling back to the 'lies' aspect ... including 'lies of omission'


    (snip)One half of employed Japanese-Americans on the West Coast were in agriculture. They were the largest force in California's fruit and vegetable markets; agricultural experts expected thirty-five percent of California's 1942 truck crops to come from Japanese-Americans.1 Japanese-American farms in 1940 were worth $72 million plus $6 million in equipment. Per acre their farms were worth $279.96, in contrast to the average value of $37.94 for all California farms. "I find no popular demand for the efforts to drive the so-called alien enemies from California," said one indignant attorney. "The clamor seems to come from chambers of commerce, Associated Farmers, and the newspapers notorious as spokesmen for reactionary interests. In view of this fact, effort should be made to determine whether there is any connection between the clamor for the dispossession of the Japanese farmers and the desire of these clamoring interests to get possession of the Japanese farms and the elimination of the Japanese competition."2 The attorney's analysis was shared by others. "The great cry of 'Kick the Japanese out of the Yakima Valley' is not due to fear of sabotage, it is due to economic reasons. As one person naively explained to me, 'The white farmer would have more land and more water if he could get rid of the Japanese, and he could demand a higher price for his farm produce.'"3

    An editorial in Christian Century warned against "action whose real end is the destruction of Japanese competitors of American firms."4 The Japanese-American Citizens League in Seattle reported "agitation being conducted by interests which would profit from removal of Japanese."5 The Grower-Shipper Vegetable Association was frank on this point: "If all the Japs were removed tomorrow, we'd never miss them in two weeks, because the white farmers can take over and produce everything the Jap grows. And we don't want them back when the war ends, either."6 Attorney General Francis Biddle told President Roosevelt, "Various special interests would welcome their [Japanese-American] removal from good farm land and the elimination of their competition."7 Said one Monterey County farmer about the exodus of Japanese-Americans, "We can go out to our American farmers and from a patriotic standpoint, if nothing else, get them to take up any part of the acreage that the canners deem sufficient or necessary to maintain California's position in the production of canned tomatos."8 The California Evacuated Farms Association of the U.S. Farm Security Administration helped farmers acquire property of Japanese-American competitors. This help apparently included "special loans."9 A victim described how such loans could work. "Negotiations were made through the Farm Security Administration to then sell the crop and all farm equipment to a Caucasian. A loan was secured by this Caucasian to pay Manhichi for the agreed price. Before the loan arrived, Manhichi was sent to the Walerga Assembly Center [a minimum security prison]. The Caucasian . . . returned the loan to the Farm Security Administration, clearing himself of his debt. . . . To this day, my dad never received a penny from that particular sale." (snip)

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    Given the fact that it took 50+ years worth of tireless legal and lobbying efforts by interned Japanese American citizens and their families to reach the point where the actual circumstances were at least partially made public, thus finally forcing the 'truth' to be at least partially acknowledged and taught, one can only imagine what other 'truths' continue to be obscured and/or ignored in today's public school curricula.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Speaking of which, schools were taught FDR was such a great guy when he had a lot of negative aspects of him. Also, related to that school children are probably not taught that when Hitler came to power many Americans were happy with him and many American businesses worked with him.
    What President was perfect ? All had their flaws and made mistakes. For me, FDR was a great politician and a fair to middling President. I think too many historians overrate him as a President. As a war leader he was better than he was in peacetime.
    Most of his Depression policies failed. Most , not all.
    Before the U.S. officially entered the war he did what was necessary to help Britain when she stood alone against the Nazis.
    As a war leader he went along with illegal and unconstitutional internment of citizens. But he kept up morale and MOST of his domestic policies during W.W. II worked.
    He was gutless on integration of the armed services but he did go along with integrating war industries.
    For the most part he picked excellent leaders like Marshall , King , Leahy , Nimitz and Eisenhower and let them do their jobs with minimal interference.
    He listened to Churchill too much and went along with too many of his wacky ideas - invading Italy being first among them.
    He was fixated on China and let Chiang and the China Lobby bamboozle him into wasting men and material that Chiang mostly stockpiled to fight the Commies rather than use against the Japanese. Nobody did less with more during W.W. II than Chiang and the Nationalists. One reason "Market-Garden" failed in 1944 was the Allies were short of transport aircraft and pilots. A lot of them crashed in the Himalayas trying to supply Chiang.
    A great book on this very subject is Persico's "Roosevelt's Centurions ". He goes into these and other issues and has done a very good analysis of FDR as a war leader. On balance I give FDR a B+ for his leadership during W.W. II and a C for everything else.
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    That's the problem, there will never be a perfect president because there is no such thing as a perfect president. I actually do admire FDR and Eleanor is one of my favorite first ladies but while he is seen as a liberal icon (and rightfully so)other aspects aren't that admirable. I have read interesting studies on him and one of the things that struck me is the fact that he never intended the welfare system to be what it has become. I found that somewhat interesting because he started all these programs during the Great Depression to save people yet many of them took a different turn. Not saying that's good or bad (and that will become heavily political)just different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    That's the problem, there will never be a perfect president because there is no such thing as a perfect president. I actually do admire FDR and Eleanor is one of my favorite first ladies but while he is seen as a liberal icon (and rightfully so)other aspects aren't that admirable. I have read interesting studies on him and one of the things that struck me is the fact that he never intended the welfare system to be what it has become. I found that somewhat interesting because he started all these programs during the Great Depression to save people yet many of them took a different turn. Not saying that's good or bad (and that will become heavily political)just different.
    The Law of Unintended Consequences is very fickle in its application. It is hard to blame FDR for some of what happened after he tried to help a prostrate economy. The Fed was just as responsible as he was for the long term effects of certain policies.

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    True but as president FDR will be blamed just as any president will be for things that happened during their administration. I'm forgetting right now, but was it FDR or Truman who integrated the military? for some reason I believe even during WW2 there were white and black boot camps and things like that. That integration happened was a good thing of course.

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    ^^^ There WAS a small amount of integration toward the end of W.W. II, no thanks to FDR. Combat necessity during the Battle of the Bulge and on Okinawa caused black troops to be used as emergency replacement infantrymen and they served alongside white soldiers. Eisenhower's Deputy Commander at SHAEF , a General Lee ironically , was a strong proponent of integration and won out over Ike's Chief of Staff , Bedell Smith , to force some minor integration.

    But overall we treated German POW's better than we did black soldiers. Especially in the South.

    Truman officially integrated the Armed Services by Executive Order around 1947.

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    Very true but sad how the POW's were treated better. I read about one of the Tuskegee Airman and how he came back after being a hero was an severely discriminated against. That always bothered me because they served their country but then were treated like trash. I'm glad many of these guys are now getting the recognition they deserve.

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    The biggest lie I was taught in school:
    "You can be whatever you want to be."

    SURE, I want to be an artist. How can I do that when I can't even draw a decent stick figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyAnderson View Post
    The biggest lie I was taught in school:
    "You can be whatever you want to be."

    SURE, I want to be an artist. How can I do that when I can't even draw a decent stick figure.
    Haha! Basically! I wanted to be a musician but I'm a visual person, not auditory... wasn't gonna happen, haha.

    Never mind that you can't be whatever you want unless it makes a decent salary or you've got a trust fund... nobody ever told us about money in childhood!
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    ^ I didn't pay enough attention to learn any lies...
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    That Im going to be someones boss one day

    I was such a hokey awkward nerdy kid, always got picked on and up through middle school even my teachers would warn kids to be nice to me cause its kids like me who will grow up to sign their paychecks. And I would be thinking...oh gawd I hope not, I dont want to have to spend the rest of my life dealing with these idiots..I just want to be left alone lol

    The other lie...the Food Pyramid. EAT MOAR CARBS! Actually Im still totally down with the food pyramid if only the alcohol wasnt at the very top. That needs to be moved down a bit.

    Hrmmm..what else, its already been mentioned but that whole, do good in school and go to college so you can get a good job thing. Yeah, of all my friends who busted their butts, only one of them got a rediculously amazing job. Most of my friends with awesome jobs either dropped out of college or didnt go at all. Im the only one of my uber nerdy friends who didnt go to college...and the only one who doesnt have debt that will follow me for the rest of my life because of it. My best friend, in her mid 30's, is at peace with it that she will die of old age and still carry a balance on her college loans.

    Sorry I cant think of any of the intellectual lies I was told...I studied to pass my tests then forgot it all.
    The only classes I actually paid any attention in were art, math and english / english lit.
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    Lie: "There is no 'I' in 'team'"
    Reality: Every team has one person who leads (and takes the fall).

    Lie: "Answer the question you were asked!"
    Reality: Answer the question you wish you were asked.

    Lie: "Don't ignore people / Pay attention"
    Reality: Ignore anyone you want to.

    Lie: "Don't be rude to people!"
    Reality: Stop worrying about how others perceive you.

    Lie: "Don't show off / Play down your achievements"
    Reality: Standout and be conspicuous.

    Lie: "Nice guys prosper/win / get the girl etc..."
    Reality: The guy who knows WHEN to be nice, and when not to be nice is the one who prospers.

    I'm not sure why, but in the UK they teach you Religious Studies for the first couple of years of high school. Not sure how many lies in total that counts for since I made sure not to take it in.

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    LIES:

    "Be good. God is always watching you."

    "Always be nice to people so they will like you" Be a doormat and people will take advantage. just be yourself

    "If you don't go to college, you will be a beggar on the streets"

    "A real lady plays hard to get with men"
    "Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning how to dance in the rain."

    "Everyone wants happiness. Nobody wants pain. But you can't have a rainbow without a little rain.

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