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    this 'lie' now being widely taught has just hit the news ...


    (snip)"The authors of "United States History: Preparing for the Advanced Placement Examination" have taken it upon themselves to change the Constitution of the United States. The high school textbook contains a summary of each Amendment that alters the initial intent in which they were created.

    The textbook notes the Second Amendment as, "The people have a right to keep and bear arms in a state militia."(snip)

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    Must we ? While you are correct that the authors have reworded the text of the Second Amendment , arguing over the wording of that Amendment tends to generate smoke and heat but little light. Gun control advocates will never agree with the historical underpinnings and background of that Amendment. Which leads to a whole discussion of "original intent' vs. flexible interpretation to fit changing times which will quickly lead to discussion of varying political philosophies. Before you know it , this thread will be forced to wear the Scarlet "P" for politics and will be shut down. Which is the long way of saying : Let's not go there.

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    Where gov't mandates regarding public school curricula are concerned, yes we must !!! From


    (snip)"New national science standards that make the teaching of global warming part of the public school curriculum are slated to be released this month, potentially ending an era in which climate skepticism has been allowed to seep into the nation's classrooms.

    The Next Generation Science Standards were developed by the National Research Council, the National Science Teachers Association, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the nonprofit Achieve and more than two dozen states. The latest draft recommends that educators teach the evidence for man-made climate change starting as early as elementary school and incorporate it into all science classes, ranging from earth science to chemistry"(snip)


    Please understand that I'm not trying to turn this thread political. I am merely pointing out that 'the whole truth' is often lacking from gov't approved textbooks and curricula !
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    We KNOW That Mel ! Anybody with a brain and anything resembling an open mind knows full well how education has been polluted by politics. As I have repeatedly pointed out , just as much mischief has been perpetrated by so - called conservatives like the late ( and unlamented , at least by me ) Gablers in Texas. The ignorance and bias the Gablers imposed on Texas was not limited to that state. Because Texas buys textbooks state -wide and is a huge market for publishers , the clout of those two poorly educated nit-wits was far greater than any influence they were otherwise entitled to. By objecting to various things they didn't like in history and science texts the Gablers helped promote a national "dumb -down " in school textbooks. While initially sympathetic to some of their complaints , Bill Buckley recognized how stupid and ignorant they were and realized how much damage they were doing to public education. Cal Thomas used to love to trot around and complain that bookstores were hiding his books ; that they weren't displayed as prominently as other more secular works. What he DIDN'T say was how many books he sold altogether . Even with the help of evangelical churches etc. , his sales sucked. Contrast that to the sales success of the "Left Behind " Christers, Tim LaHaye and Larry Jenkins who have been laughing all the way to the bank for over a decade. Lack of "prominent display" at Borders and Barnes & Noble never affected their sales. Mark Levin's books never get reviewed by the N.Y. Times but they are perennial best-sellers. But I digress.

    It is a rare course , a rare teacher, a rare curriculum that includes "the whole truth " ; that does not advocate ; that does not try to indoctrinate ; that promotes a balance of views. I was exposed to that sort of pedagogy throughout public school and to a lesser degree in college and grad school. I turned out all right. So have a lot of other people.
    I look back now and can't help reflect on how ignorant some of my teachers were. So what ? A big difference maker was my mother who encouraged me to R E A D !

    As for Climate Change, the deniers and skeptics have their work cut out for them , don't they ?

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    ^^^ if your question refers to climate skeptics being able to have their position discussed side by side with the new officially gov't sanctioned National Science Standards edict to teach human induced carbon dioxide emissions 'theory' as fact in public school classrooms, then indeed they have their work cut out for them. If, however, your question refers to climate skeptics being able to make a factual case in support of their position outside of US public schools ... a la ... that is a different matter entirely - and one that is arguably beyond the scope of this thread.


    It is a rare course , a rare teacher, a rare curriculum that includes "the whole truth " ; that does not advocate ; that does not try to indoctrinate ; that promotes a balance of views. I was exposed to that sort of pedagogy throughout public school and to a lesser degree in college and grad school. I turned out all right. So have a lot of other people.
    Yes, but ... an increasing share of future US voters are dropping out of public high school, graduating from public high school, graduating from gov't run colleges, etc. with a large share of 'indoctrination' and little motivation from parents or from within themselves to perform independent research which might separate 'indoctrination' from 'the whole truth'. Apparently, there is far less 'indoctrination in Australia than in the USA ... see
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    Regarding "climate change" I was referring to BOTH.

    As for your second point, we might be able to add scientific ignorance to historical illiteracy. Both are certainly lamentable.

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    This is getting too political and while I agree with both of you, I think that that is the problem with public schools. I posted earlier about my experiences going to school in Cook County and how biased it really is. I didn't post everything I saw in school because it would really get political but that's the problem with public schooling. Private schooling though is often biased depending on why it's private such as religious or artistic.

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    The role of the French in the winning of the Revolutionary war, which has been blithely ignored. Specifically the much maligned French Navy's role. The Battle of Chesapeake Bay was certainly not a brilliant victory, or even decisive in a tactical sense--but it sealed the fate of the British in Yorktown, allowed substantial French land forces to aid the rebels; and thus it basically won the war.

    So the next time some idiot laughs at the French & goes on about what cowards they have been, you can laugh a little harder at their historical ignorance and lack of appreciation for their own freedom.

    Not even getting into the battle of Tours won by Charles Martel (the Hammer) when no one else could stop the Moslems, Charlemagne, the role of the French in the only really successful Crusade (the first), or of course La Grande Armee of Napoleon.

    While it's true the French didn't do so well in the last century's wars, it was no lack of bravery. They were up against the vastly superior German artillery in WW I, and the vastly superior use of combined arms in WW II. The German tanks were no better than the French, they just knew how to use what they had in coordination with airpower and the amazingly effective German infantry.
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    I remember my primary school teacher telling us

    1. we are heading to an ice age
    2. you pay taxes while you work and then the government looks after you when you're old

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    Well the fact of the matter is that the Earth naturally goes through periodic 'Ice Ages', so that is no lie. Another Ice Age is in fact inevitable--it's just a matter of how many thousands or millions of years. If we are even around anymore at that point, which is questionable given the history of the various species of animals on Earth.

    Unless of course Mankind fucks that all up with the incredible amount of pollution we have been releasing, which is entirely likely. I don't think it's political at all to say that is undeniable (the release of disgusting amounts of pollution, not the exact effect) to anyone sane.

    And if that stirs up any controversy, I will certainly apologize, take the blame myself, and close this fucking thread immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r2468 View Post
    I remember my primary school teacher telling us

    1. we are heading to an ice age
    2. you pay taxes while you work and then the government looks after you when you're old
    Wooow you must be really old! I jest...seriously, even when I was in middle school 20yrs ago, my teachers were all, there will be no SS left for you, so you better start figuring out how to pay for your own old age when the time comes. That I can say is something that I grew up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    The role of the French in the winning of the Revolutionary war, which has been blithely ignored. Specifically the much maligned French Navy's role. The Battle of Chesapeake Bay was certainly not a brilliant victory, or even decisive in a tactical sense--but it sealed the fate of the British in Yorktown, allowed substantial French land forces to aid the rebels; and thus it basically won the war.
    The French also supplied the colonists with a significant amount of weapons and gunpowder.

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    ^^^Yeah I was aware of that but didn't want to get carried away with the post. But thanks!

    They also provided John Paul Jones with the Bonhomme Richard, in which he made such magnificent history. But that was a dubious favor lol--the ship was not in such great shape and one of the only few bigger cannon on her blew up immediately, doing a lot of damage and causing many casualties. The Serapis was a much more powerful ship, and anyone else but Jones probably wouldn't even have fought her--much less had the will to win the fight.


    Another historical fact which is blithely ignored in most schools is that the Russians took on a much greater proportion of the German army in World War II than the US. Since they were communist apparently that looks bad, I don't know--plus maybe excessive nationalist pride going on there. Though we did supply the Russians with the majority of their trucks, so they could build thousands of tanks and overwhelm the Germans at their own game of mechanized warfare. Not to mention we gave them untold thousands of aircraft, boots, rations, raw materials for war production, etc. The Germans didn't really think much of the US soldiers (other than the Airborne), though they did respect Patton, and the amazing resources the US Army had, like many, many thousands more tanks, artillery, shells to fire, etc.

    They also don't like to talk about the fact that our allies the Russians had actually been allied with Hitler (until he stabbed them in the back), and invaded Poland from the other side.
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    Very true. Had the Nazis had stabbed them in the back I wonder what would have happened. Reminds me of the fact that many people admired Hitler when he came to power in the USA.

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    “History is written by the victors.”

    ― Winston Churchill


    "We will go down in history either as the world's greatest statesmen or its worst villains."

    - Hermann Goring


    Private schooling though is often biased depending on why it's private such as religious or artistic.
    Ironically, this observation brings us full circle. However, I am still of the opinion that certain private schools ... with the best example probably being the Ivy League and associated prep schools ... do in fact teach more of 'the whole truth' regarding how the world really works. This of course is due to the fact that the graduates of these private schools will in fact play a large part in 'running the world' of the future !!!
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    Yeah the college I went to had a whole bunch of those prep school grads. They were very well educated compared to the public school grads. And they were destined for the Power Elite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Very true. Had the Nazis had stabbed them in the back I wonder what would have happened. Reminds me of the fact that many people admired Hitler when he came to power in the USA.
    Henry Ford was one of them. I recently read a book about it. Also Charles Lindbergh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He...Nazi_medal.jpg

    As far as the Russo-German alliance in the first year or two of WW II, it was not destined to last--and both sides knew it. They were both building their strength for the inevitable clash. However Stalin was taken very much by surprise at the timing and refused to believe the many warning signs he was about to be attacked.
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    actually, a number of facts point to a conclusion that certain influential Americans were responsible for helping to bring Hitler to power !!! Also, a number of the basic principles behind Hitler's most heinous policies were arguably of American origin !



    We'll NEVER see this material in a public school curriculum !!!


    And, ironically, a Lindbergh quote from the link above again brings us back to the topic of this thread ...

    Lindbergh wrote Davison. "Are we deluding ourselves when we attempt to run our governments by counting the number of heads, without a thought of what lies within them?"
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    Eh, I don't think we can blame the US for Hitler's genocidal program. Even if there was some possible inspiration from outside, he would have come up with it on his own anyway.
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    One of the lies I was taught? That the Axis powers (specifically Germany) were stopped because they were "evil". Wrong. They were stopped because they were too overtly Fascist. They were not subtle enough for modern Western civilization standards. The West, basically, was Authoritarian/Fascist using the guise of "Free Trade" to promote its legitimacy. In other words we are a "benevolent fascist society". Nazi Germany was simply "too fascist" because that kind of overt fascism was already outdated.
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    ^^^ in terms of 'the whole truth' , it arguably boils down to one single decision which decided the fate of WW2. That decision wasn't even made by Germany, but by Japan ... who decided to attack Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th 1941 instead of (re)attacking the Russians in Manchuria in the summer of 1941 ( see Nomonhan Incident a.k.a. battle of Khalkhin Gol ). Had Russia faced a war on two fronts in 1941, and had the entry of the USA into WW2 been delayed by just a few more months ...

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    ^^^Ah yes, Zhukov's training ground...
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    ^^^Yeah I was aware of that but didn't want to get carried away with the post. But thanks!

    They also provided John Paul Jones with the Bonhomme Richard, in which he made such magnificent history. But that was a dubious favor lol--the ship was not in such great shape and one of the only few bigger cannon on her blew up immediately, doing a lot of damage and causing many casualties. The Serapis was a much more powerful ship, and anyone else but Jones probably wouldn't even have fought her--much less had the will to win the fight.
    Another historical fact which is blithely ignored in most schools is that the Russians took on a much greater proportion of the German army in World War II than the US. Since they were communist apparently that looks bad, I don't know--plus maybe excessive nationalist pride going on there. Though we did supply the Russians with the majority of their trucks, so they could build thousands of tanks and overwhelm the Germans at their own game of mechanized warfare. Not to mention we gave them untold thousands of aircraft, boots, rations, raw materials for war production, etc. The Germans didn't really think much of the US soldiers (other than the Airborne), though they did respect Patton, and the amazing resources the US Army had, like many, many thousands more tanks, artillery, shells to fire, etc.

    They also don't like to talk about the fact that our allies the Russians had actually been allied with Hitler (until he stabbed them in the back), and invaded Poland from the other side.
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    trying to circle back on topic re 'lies' being taught in school ...

    The most important victory in WW2 for the USA didn't happen at the Normandy beaches or at the Ardennes forest. In fact it didn't occur on the battlefield at all. The most important US victory took place at a resort in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. However, outside of a handful of private schools, little if anything is taught about the HUGE significance of the Bretton Woods 'system' being established ... some aspects of which are still working to America's benefit to this day !

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    The Bretton Woods 'system' would not have been very significant if the Allies didn't win World War II.

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