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    I am just now realizing that lapdancing at the club im at is technically illegal.

    What the &$%&$!!!!

    I guess I was so nervous when I first applied that I didnt read through the fine print. And the manager that hired me only gave me 2 rules. One was don't undercharge and the other was never go home with customers. Nothing about airdance only.

    Well the other day while Im finishing up on the night shift, all the dancers had to re-do the new hire paperwork. I asked why but get some half-assed answer from one of the managers. Maybe I'm a little paranoid but red flags go up and I decide to read this sh*t thoroughly this time.

    Inside the paperwork I discover a list of things that would be defined as 'prostitution'. Some are obvious, but what completely caught me off guard was lapdancing with contact from dancer or customer = prostitution.

    I could rationalize giving an airdance if I was nude but to keep all our clothes on AND give an air dance would seriously lighten my wallet.

    I don't know if its a real risk for me to keep dancing here and do the standard lap dance (that all the other dancers are doing too) or is it better to find work elsewhere???

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    When I worked in Daytona, I didn't learn until I'd been working there several months that actual contact dances aren't legal in that area. There were signs in the back, listing the lapdance prices, & signs also declaring 'Absolutely NO Straddle Dances'. I found this a little strange, considering there was nothing in my paperwork abt this. No one obeyed that sign tho, & other girls were doing ALOT more than just straddling the customers.

    It turned out that legally we could only do air dances, & the doormen would lay it on thick when vice popped in (several times a wk) to distract them from looking in the back. There was no way for them to discretely signal whoever might be back there to back off. I didn't stay there much longer anyway, for other reasons, but I continued doing things as I always had, as did the other girls (specifying clean dancers here) b/c that was the only way to make any $$$.

    I would take a serious look at whether you're willing to continue taking that risk & stay where you are, or look elsewhere. Daytona was fking DIRTY & even as clean as sm of the staff tried to keep our club, when your city has a reputation like that, sm times you need to bend the rules a bit just to make a living. My club in Daytona was the cleanest one in town, which was maybe not saying much, but many of our customers knew what they could get at other clubs & simply wouldn't pay $25 for a topless air dance. After I stopped dancing in Daytona I commuted briefly to Jacksonville, almost 2 hrs. I heard many girls from Daytona were commuting to Tampa & Cocoa Beach, serious drives, to find clean clubs where they could make a decent living while remaining w/in the bounds of the law.

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    well, where would you be thinking of going? i guess i have that problem too, since my state has even stricter rules, but there is nowhere else to go and we've never had a raid. none of the girls dance 3 feet away, and i mean nobody. not even the squeeky clean dancers. when there is seriously nowhere else to go though, its hard. especially when all the surrounding states are even dirtier ( and the dirtiness is LEGAL there). try dancing in other areas before you quit though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    No one obeyed that sign tho, & other girls were doing ALOT more than just straddling the customers.
    While I haven't seen outright fs or bj in vip I have seen the girls in the club I work do ALOT more than standard lap dances too, so while I felt better knowing I could make money without having to go above and beyond (aka extras), I now feel weird knowing that I was technically breaking a law each and every shift for something that is considered the norm in the average strip club.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    After I stopped dancing in Daytona I commuted briefly to Jacksonville, almost 2 hrs. I heard many girls from Daytona were commuting to Tampa & Cocoa Beach, serious drives, to find clean clubs where they could make a decent living while remaining w/in the bounds of the law.
    If I didn't have hella responsibilities I'd commute in a heartbeat. Only bad thing is clubs worth working at - like not hole in the walls - are all over 3 hours away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    we've never had a raid.
    the entire time ive been there one dancer told me there was a raid on night shift a few months ago but nothing major came out of it. I didn't verify with management so I don't know how accurate her info is but I do think the chance of a raid is low especially if I can manage to stay off nights when I hear its more common to raid.


    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    none of the girls dance 3 feet away, and i mean nobody. not even the squeeky clean dancers.
    this is what I'm thinking about the girls here.

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    In Houston, paperwork being redone as mandated by management usually means that a raid is about to happen, and they're covering their asses. I've been in your position since beginning stripping two years ago. Within Houston, the three-foot rule basically guarantees you will be arrested if you dance during an undercover operation. Outside of city limits, it's still no-touching by the law, but as my manager so helpfully put it, "it's like the speed limit. It's 65 but everyone is going 70. So you can go 65, but you'll be left behind." The risk, to me, is no longer worth the reward. I've been looking for decent jobs outside of the industry for a few weeks now.

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    I hope other girls will chime in on this that know more than me (Melonie seems to know a lot about varying laws/ordinances, etc.) - but I'm pretty sure the way strippers (myself included) give lapdances are technically illegal in most U.S. cities.

    Is your club doing anything worse than any of the other clubs in your area? If not, then it's not likely they're going to be "flagged" for a raid over the other clubs - but it could still happen. When clubs get flagged for prostitution charges, and undercovers come in to make arrests, they're going to try and get girls to answer entrapping questions. At least, for most of the cases I've heard of, that's what happened. Tampa had a big raid before the RNC and, as far as I know, most or all of the girls who were arrested weren't actually performing sexual acts - they were arrested because the cops got them to say what they wanted to hear. Things like "agreeing" to meet outside the club, or setting a price for sexual favors - and from what I've heard, most of the girls were clean and just telling white lies. I've certainly done it before ("How much for sex?" *giggle* "Um...$10,000!" *keeps dancing*), though I'm definitely more cautious about it after hearing some horror stories.

    On the other hand, in Denver, a girlfriend of mine almost got arrested for prostitution because a guy grazed her nipple with his hand in a private dance and a cop saw it. She was the furthest thing from a dirty dancer that this particular club had, where "nipple sucking" was the norm. Thankfully, our manager loved her and knew she was clean and had a corporate future planned, so he convinced the cop not to write her up.

    Anyway, that's probably both helpful and disconcerting... Lol. Point is, if cops want to raid a club, most city ordinances don't make it hard for them to pin a prostitution charge on someone - we're basically all breaking the law... But the justice system is weird anyways. In some states, there are laws about leaving Christmas decorations up too long. North Dakota has a law that restaurants can't serve pretzels and beer together. Granted, laws pertaining to prostitution charges are enforced a bit more rigorously, but obviously not enough for them to hold any weight in the day-to-day happenings in a strip club. Just stay aware of your customers, and follow what's happening in your club - managers I've had in the past tend to know when their club is under heat, and smart ones will tell their girls to be careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    In Houston, paperwork being redone as mandated by management usually means that a raid is about to happen, and they're covering their asses. I've been in your position since beginning stripping two years ago. Within Houston, the three-foot rule basically guarantees you will be arrested if you dance during an undercover operation. Outside of city limits, it's still no-touching by the law, but as my manager so helpfully put it, "it's like the speed limit. It's 65 but everyone is going 70. So you can go 65, but you'll be left behind." The risk, to me, is no longer worth the reward. I've been looking for decent jobs outside of the industry for a few weeks now.
    I can't believe they would redo paperwork but not warn the girls to dance clean? Some managers are idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    In Houston, paperwork being redone as mandated by management usually means that a raid is about to happen, and they're covering their asses.
    D*mn, D*mn, D*mn! Geez I guess my red flag was going up for a reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    Within Houston, the three-foot rule basically guarantees you will be arrested if you dance during an undercover operation.
    So I guess to the police it doesnt matter if your are dancing within the rules or doing extras but the mere fact you're dancing that night is what gets you in trouble?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    as my manager so helpfully put it, "it's like the speed limit. It's 65 but everyone is going 70. So you can go 65, but you'll be left behind."
    Great analogy

    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    The risk, to me, is no longer worth the reward.
    My rational mind is telling me this same thing

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    Can you travel to a different city for a while, and find out when the potential raid passes? This is actually making me angry for you... I didn't realize Houston had such strict laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    Is your club doing anything worse than any of the other clubs in your area? If not, then it's not likely they're going to be "flagged" for a raid over the other clubs - but it could still happen.
    out of the handful of clubs still standing, I work at one of the top 2. I heard girls saying 'so and so' got fired for f*cking in vip on at least 2 occasions so I do believe managers crack down on blatant extras. and I've never seen nudity or sex acts allowed in vip - though not saying its not possible that its going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    When clubs get flagged for prostitution charges, and undercovers come in to make arrests, they're going to try and get girls to answer entrapping questions....as far as I know, most or all of the girls who were arrested weren't actually performing sexual acts - they were arrested because the cops got them to say what they wanted to hear. Things like "agreeing" to meet outside the club, or setting a price for sexual favors
    crazy! to get busted not for actions but for whats being said. Yeah i get red flags when customers ask me to meet them in a hotel/motel/or their house for a set price. And I have joked around and threw a number that seemed so outrageous they'd back off but that in itself could be trouble. Good idea to be aware of this too summerbre!

    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    Anyway, that's probably both helpful and disconcerting... Lol. Point is, if cops want to raid a club, most city ordinances don't make it hard for them to pin a prostitution charge on someone - we're basically all breaking the law... But the justice system is weird anyways. In some states, there are laws about leaving Christmas decorations up too long. North Dakota has a law that restaurants can't serve pretzels and beer together. Granted, laws pertaining to prostitution charges are enforced a bit more rigorously, but obviously not enough for them to hold any weight in the day-to-day happenings in a strip club. Just stay aware of your customers, and follow what's happening in your club - managers I've had in the past tend to know when their club is under heat, and smart ones will tell their girls to be careful.
    good to know and will definitely be more aware

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    Can you travel to a different city for a while, and find out when the potential raid passes?
    I wish i could if i could figure out how with raising the kid and running a household. i thought about camming but Im not so sure about the paper trail of adult work and illegal downloads of my work but ill research the camming route and maybe even look for 'vanilla' work *sigh*

    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    I didn't realize Houston had such strict laws.
    not me in Houston...If this weren't a public forum I'd say mine but I'll tell you trustworthy ladies in a pm if you are wondering - so you'll know where NOt to travel to lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post

    So I guess to the police it doesnt matter if your are dancing within the rules or doing extras but the mere fact you're dancing that night is what gets you in trouble?
    I don't know a single dancer in Houston who habitually follows the laws, so I'm not saying the arresting officers have no reason; I'm just saying the "reasons" are bullshit. It is, in my opinion, intentionally impossible to dance completely legally in Houston. We can get arrested for touching ourselves or another dancer on stage (in any way... like touching your own breasts while dancing, or touching a dancer's shoulder), for coming within three feet of a customer, for alleged solicitation that can pretty much be anything to an arrest-happy cop as summerbre illustrated, etc. I am probably one of the cleanest dancers in my county, and I could still be "rightfully" arrested any night I work.

    As the other girls have suggested, if you're dancing for an undercover cop who is looking for a reason to arrest you, he will almost certainly be able to find one. But raids happen for different reasons. The huge bust at Treasures down here was done to make a statement. The place was notorious for in-club prostitution, "upstanding" citizens bitched, it was an election year--perfect storm situation. Girls seen dancing within three feet of a customer were arrested alongside girls who solicited undercover officers, and nobody could argue it wasn't lawful. They did it again a week or so later and raised a suit against the club for trafficking. It has been crippled ever since. But then vice came into my club just outside of Houston a few months ago and gave girls warnings for grinding, touching customers on stage, touching themselves, etc, and all of those things are arrestable offenses here.

    My way of dealing on a daily basis is to be mindful of who is around me and how I behave towards customers. I try not to give a potential undercover a reason to want to fuck my night up, and I definitely do not lead any customers on or suggest I offer any OTC services. If someone asks me what the rules are, I act a little confused and say I'm new and offer to get my manager if they want to confer on the laws, as I'm not so sure. If I still dance for them, I wait till they ask me to touch them to make any contact.

    I hate to scare you into not going in, as redoing paperwork could easily be nothing. It's just crazy to think of what it could mean though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    I can't believe they would redo paperwork but not warn the girls to dance clean? Some managers are idiots.
    I'm not claiming to understand the inner workings of these situations, but one explanation that has crossed my mind is this: vice knows the club could be shut down/ticketed at any time if only because of bullshit ordinances/nonsensical laws, and the club knows it too. Essentially, the club is staying open at the mercy of the city. Arresting/ticketing dancers can mean for a lot of revenue for the city. With today's standards, dancers aren't exactly difficult to come by, so many managers won't care about a raid's repercussions for individual dancers as long as the club is allowed to stay open. A friend lets management know a raid might be in the works, so they redo their paperwork to make sure they have everything on file and can't be caught employing girls with prostitution records or anything like that, and sit back and wait for it to blow over. Dancers take the blame for practices enabled/encouraged by shady management, the club maybe pays a few fines but continues to operate, the city rakes in several thousand from the fines and gets a gold star in the papers for "cleaning up the town."

    Or maybe I've become a little cynical?

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    stripping is a risky profession on a lot of levels..i can't join the american white collar working force anyways, but if i could/wanted to i would probably think twice too!! are you gonna try the vanilla world again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    I'm not claiming to understand the inner workings of these situations, but one explanation that has crossed my mind is this: vice knows the club could be shut down/ticketed at any time if only because of bullshit ordinances/nonsensical laws, and the club knows it too. Essentially, the club is staying open at the mercy of the city. Arresting/ticketing dancers can mean for a lot of revenue for the city. With today's standards, dancers aren't exactly difficult to come by, so many managers won't care about a raid's repercussions for individual dancers as long as the club is allowed to stay open. A friend lets management know a raid might be in the works, so they redo their paperwork to make sure they have everything on file and can't be caught employing girls with prostitution records or anything like that, and sit back and wait for it to blow over. Dancers take the blame for practices enabled/encouraged by shady management, the club maybe pays a few fines but continues to operate, the city rakes in several thousand from the fines and gets a gold star in the papers for "cleaning up the town."

    Or maybe I've become a little cynical?
    Not at all. This sounds exactly right.
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    At the club I was at, a 'clean' dance was technically illegal too. When I first started working there it had just been bought by new owners, so the cops were in there all the time. Luckily they never came in undercover. The staff use flashlights to communicate in there, so the doorman would signal the owner and the DJ (who would then let the other bouncers know). I'd try to pay attention to the door when I was on the floor just in case, and the VIP bouncer would come over to me if I was giving a dance to let me know if they were there if I was in the back. I wouldn't go near the VIP room or to the stage if I knew the cops were in the club though. I'd get a drink and find a regular to sit with until they left. Lots of verbal warnings in there. The only arrest that was ever made during the 5 times I saw the cops, was a 20 year old dancer that drank before coming to work who didn't pass the breathalyzer. And trust me, my club wasn't spic n span clean.

    It's something most of us have to deal with if that makes you feel better. I bet most of us on this forum are breaking some kind of law everytime we dance just because of whats 'normal' in clubs and we don't realize it. It's not like the clubs actually post the laws in the DR (I would have loved for that to happen). Unless it's a situation like Tuesday mentioned above (election year, prostitution, etc), there isn't really much to worry about. You just have to exercise caution. You can never be too cautious in the club.

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    The best thing you can do in this situation (which, as other posters have pointed out, is terribly common in this industry) is get informed. Look up the local bylaws and learn them. Know what you legally can and cannot do. Law enforcement does not care what the club's rules are, but rather what the letter of the law is. Look up prostitution laws as well to find out if what you say can be misconstrued as solicitation.

    Pay attention to the local media. Is there an election coming up? Is there rumbling about the horrors of strip clubs? Have other clubs been raided? Does your city regularly experience raids, rarely, or basically never?

    Get to know your club management and their relationship with local law enforcement. Friendly? Hostile? Non-existent? Do they get a heads up when things are happening?

    Then, make an informed decision as to whether dancing in your city is worthwhile for you.

    In my city, contact is totally against the local bylaws, though you won't make a dime if you try and follow that. Fellow dancers don't even believe me when I tell them the bylaws. But, we don't get raided. Law enforcement has a good relationship with club management throughout the city. The only time cops get involved is when there are drugs - that's all they look for here. Club management always gets a heads up and gives dancers the heads up, so when the cops come around, we don't offer contact dances (and inevitably don't make money that day), and cops are able to go after what they're there for find. Overall, it's worthwhile for me to keep dancing and breaking the bylaws because the odds of me facing any repercussions for breaking them is basically 0. Only you (or perhaps other girls in your city/club) can determine if that's the case for you.

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    I'm pretty sure the way strippers (myself included) give lapdances are technically illegal in most U.S. cities.
    At the club I was at, a 'clean' dance was technically illegal too.
    Indeed this is the case more often than not. Between local strip club ordinances, state alcohol control laws, state prostitution and lewd conduct laws, etc. the odds of some 'business as usual' club activities being illegal is pretty high. For example, in some jurisdictions, if two dancers are on stage at the same time, if customers are tipping at the rail, and if one dancer happens to touch the other dancer's breast, both dancers can be busted for prostitution ... since they provided 'sexual contact' ( the breast touch ) in exchange for payment ( the customer tip money ) !!!

    And to make matters worse, even if nothing is actually illegal, 'strippers' typically receive very little credibility when attempting to defend themselves against LE accusations that might not be 'technically accurate'. So in the absence of 'hard evidence' like a video surveillance tape providing proof of innocence, accused 'strippers' actually face a very low probability of convincing a jury composed of housewives, civil servants, and retirees that the fine upstanding local vice cop is lying out his a$$ !

    The moral of the story here seems to be that every 'stripper' faces a risk of being ( bogusly ) busted sooner or later.


    Arresting/ticketing dancers can mean for a lot of revenue for the city. With today's standards, dancers aren't exactly difficult to come by, so many managers won't care about a raid's repercussions for individual dancers as long as the club is allowed to stay open. A friend lets management know a raid might be in the works, so they redo their paperwork to make sure they have everything on file and can't be caught employing girls with prostitution records or anything like that, and sit back and wait for it to blow over. Dancers take the blame for practices enabled/encouraged by shady management, the club maybe pays a few fines but continues to operate, the city rakes in several thousand from the fines and gets a gold star in the papers for "cleaning up the town."
    Indeed the 'timing' of strip club busts to coincide with upcoming local elections for the purpose of obtaining favorable headlines in local news media isn't new. Dancers being placed into situations where they wind up providing 'cover' for the clubowner isn't new either ( i.e. the infamous club attorney arranged 'plea bargains' being offered to dancers, where the club agrees to pay the fine and the DA agrees to zero jail time in exchange for the dancer accepting a black mark on her criminal record, while the DA also secretly agrees to drop all charges against the clubowner !!! ).

    What IS new is the use of ( bogus ) club busts as a source of increased revenues for local gov'ts. Indeed, these days, busting a club with just 20 dancers present can easily generate $20,000 worth of 'income' via $1,000 fines. I am told by an old friend in LE that there is no desire whatsoever to send 'strippers' accused of prostitution etc. to jail because that costs the local gov't money ! The REAL desire is simly to collect a thousand dollars per dancer from every clubowner in town every year. And for dancers caught up in this 'revolving door', as long as the club's attorney keeps offering to negotiate the plea bargains and the club keeps offering to pay the fines there really isn't any additional down side AFTER the first ( bogus ) bust. After all, straight job employers aren't likely to differentiate between a job applicant with one de-facto prostitution conviction versus ten de-facto prostitution convictions.

    Accepting a plea bargain is tantamount to a de-facto conviction, and is difficult to have legally expunged. So the only real way to avoid this is to turn down the plea bargain offer, and allow your case to go to trial in a local court. Unfortunately, thanks to lack of 'stripper' credibility and the preconceived stereotype notions of the housewives, civil servants and retirees sitting in the jury box, this option will usually result in the dancer receiving an actual conviction instead of a de-facto conviction, the dancer paying her own $1,000 fine ( maybe $2,000 just to 'teach her a lesson' not to waste the courts' time ) instead of the club paying the fine, and perhaps a few days in the county lockup just to send a message to other 'strippers' that turning down a plea bargain offer comes at a 'price'. And an actual conviction at trial is very difficult to have legally expunged.

    As posted in other threads, the best way to deal with a first time ( bogus ) club bust is to turn down the plea bargain offer, bypass the local court trial, and take your case to the court of appeals. Instead of a jury, three or more appellate judges will actually judge your case based on actual facts ( or lack thereof ), and the lack of 'hard evidence' then works in the busted dancer's favor. As such, the odds of being found innocent and avoiding a black mark on the permanent record are actually rather high. However, in order to take advantage of this option, it requires that the busted dancer have $5k+ in cash immediately available to immediately retain a high powered local attorney of her own.
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    Someone should make a really good thread about this to sticky in the stripping general/newbie board, if there isn't one already, along with maybe links to information where they can find out about local laws (if those are even available on a website anywhere). I feel like the dangers of prostitution charges are something not a lot of strippers, new ones especially, are really even aware of.
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