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    My Daddy in the BDSM lifestyle owns his own business and has been giving me advice on how to look at things from a business standpoint. I'm on ImLive and I got my 90 minutes done so I put my price up to $3.89. He says I should stop putting my ego away and think about business and put my prices to around $1.50 to attract more people. I started getting defensive and said I'm not going to sell myself cheap and he says thats ego. I need to attract more people and its "better to get 10 ppl for the low price staying 30 min or more than 2 ppl paying $4-5 for an hour. Walmart attracts people because of their low prices". I've only been on 2 days. First day, fresh meat. I made $50 at the 98 cents price. Then yesterday I made like $20. I didn't care. I know it happens and I'm still learning. I told him there will always be slow days and freeloaders. I know he is just trying to give me constructive criticism but is it a bad idea to lower to the dollar amount? All advice and help welcome.
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    Default Re: "It's not about you, it's about them"

    I guess you need to ask yourself if you're willing to be a Walmart.

    I could exceed my character limit exploring that metaphor.


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    Default Re: "It's not about you, it's about them"

    You are selling an integral part of yourself (both your personality, sexuality and image) in a way that can affect the rest of your life. If you are quality, you sure as hell should charge quality prices. Fuck the cheapies, they are generally assholes.


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    I think it's really up to what your psyche can handle. If you'd rather have more "easier" money by lowering prices and having to do a bunch of shows at that price, then do that. But if you would feel put-out working for so little, or burn out quickly having to do that many shows for the same amount you could've made just doing a few shows at a higher price, then don't do that. What good is more, cheap customers if you can't bring yourself to work because you feel cheap?

    The sex industry is a job where you give a lot of yourself to each customer. You sound like you understand that and don't want to have to burn yourself out for the sake of pleasing cheaper custies. That's not ego. That's knowing your limits and standards and taking care of yourself.
    Don't try to win over the haters. You are not the Jerk Whisperer.

    Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.







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    Thank you everyone and Aurora I agree. Fuck Walmart and their low prices. I am my own brand. I want to stay committed to this for the long haul. Who cares if my first day I made $50 and yesterday I made $20 (I was on for 2-3 hours both times). That just means I need to find my weak points and experiment with times. JFC, it's only been 2 days! Lol. *bangs head against desk*
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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    Default Re: "It's not about you, it's about them"

    I don't work for imlive nor do I like their business model.

    But there is a saying "you get what you pay for", what do you want to be?
    When you are cheap you get cheap men, I charge way more & make way more. Have no problem getting men at higher price point to make money & plenty of them. Personally, I prefer Dillards over Walmart.

    The cheaper guys want everything like fisting your ass & mom/son play for little to no money while the guys who pay a higher price are fine with me just showing my tits.

    The cheap guys make you HATE men. Is that how you want to view the world & men?

    "If you don't find value in yourself then no one else will."
    A pimp once told me "all pussies are made of gold & it is up to you to mine it."

    You have to ask yourself "do you want to be a cheap hoe, or a high class escort". Guess which one makes much more money.
    Apparently your "Daddy" finds you to be of no value & wants you to be the cheapest hoe on the web. I would get a new "Daddy". Hope at the very least he pays your bills & you are not working at a cheap price to pay his. Obviously, He does NOT have your best interest at heart. Highly doubt he has any female's best interest at heart. Also he is NOT a cam girl, he has NO clue as to how camming works.

    He doesn't want you to have an ego or self respect so you will do whatever he wants without a thought to your well being or future. He is a man using you. It is insulting. I have NO respect for that lifestyle & how people are to be used & abused without a conscience. If he is your "Daddy" why do you even need to work? why isn't he paying your bills?

    Leave him & Move on to a better life.

    Good Luck,
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    Default Re: "It's not about you, it's about them"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyslilHeaven View Post
    My Daddy in the BDSM lifestyle owns his own business and has been giving me advice on how to look at things from a business standpoint. I'm on ImLive and I got my 90 minutes done so I put my price up to $3.89. He says I should stop putting my ego away and think about business and put my prices to around $1.50 to attract more people. I started getting defensive and said I'm not going to sell myself cheap and he says thats ego. I need to attract more people and its "better to get 10 ppl for the low price staying 30 min or more than 2 ppl paying $4-5 for an hour. Walmart attracts people because of their low prices". I've only been on 2 days. First day, fresh meat. I made $50 at the 98 cents price. Then yesterday I made like $20. I didn't care. I know it happens and I'm still learning. I told him there will always be slow days and freeloaders. I know he is just trying to give me constructive criticism but is it a bad idea to lower to the dollar amount? All advice and help welcome.
    .......3.89 and 1.50 arent even options on ImLive?

    Also 10 ppl in your room at a time ... uh unless youre doing Happy Hour almost never happens on ImLive. So.... there's that.

    Unless youre consistently in the hall of fame or are a veteran, payout on ImLive is 30% and there is no chargeback protection. So. That needs to be a heavy factor in how you decide your pricing.





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    So how many stumps can you fit in your pussy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    .......3.89 and 1.50 arent even options on ImLive?

    Also 10 ppl in your room at a time ... uh unless youre doing Happy Hour almost never happens on ImLive. So.... there's that.

    Unless youre consistently in the hall of fame or are a veteran, payout on ImLive is 30% and there is no chargeback protection. So. That needs to be a heavy factor in how you decide your pricing.

    So Roast you are saying Imlive has no big ballers & No traffic. Wow, why does anyone still cam on that site? I don't get it.
    Love you roast,
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    I would charge $1 a min all day if I could get every man in Walmart spending in my room. The truth is, one or two guys at $4 per min is a hell of a lot easier than keeping 4-8 guys at $1 in a show where they each want to be the boss. Hell, getting 8 guys in FREE chat can be challenging!
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    Somebody call the WAHHHHmbulance.


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    Whoa whoa whoa!!! I was asking advice on camming, but I don't see the point in disrespecting my Daddy or myself. If you don't understand or like the lifestyle, I respect that, but that doesn't mean that I need to do better because He is my better. BDSM is more than sex and paying my bills. He does take care of me completely and I have no bills nor would I ever have to pay his. He can take care of himself. The lifestyle is about communication, trust, respect, honesty, and bond. If we didn't have even one of those, we wouldn't be together. I am doing this for fun and a little side money to have, otherwise I wouldn't need to work. I have had to struggle for a long time and this is the path I chose that has actually helped me completely. So, you don't have to respect it, but until you can witness our life together and not over one conversation of differences, you can't judge. I can assure you, I am not being used. I'm not a stupid little girl.
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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    The prices are guestimates on my part. My bad. It's at $3+ right now and He thinks I should try $1+ or whatever closest to that. Sorry to offend or confuse anyone.
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyslilHeaven View Post
    The prices are guestimates on my part. My bad. It's at $3+ right now and He thinks I should try $1+ or whatever closest to that. Sorry to offend or confuse anyone.

    This post is about you trying to figure out what your pricing on ImLive should be, correct? Why dont you know the pricing structure?





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    Surviving as a girl in this business means demanding your own worth. Never let anyone else talk you into lowering your prices. Only you can decide what your time is worth.
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    Roast, I am away from home at the moment and I'm on my cell, but I get the general idea. I will memorize them to specific detail next time I post.
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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    I am at $3.80 and the lowest is $1.98.
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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    Default Re: "It's not about you, it's about them"

    Walmart provides necessities; camming is a luxury. Completely different hustles and furthermore what we get is more like hazard pay so thinking about a big box pricing strategy is just a really flawed starting point IMO.


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    Default Re: "It's not about you, it's about them"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyslilHeaven View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa!!! I was asking advice on camming, but I don't see the point in disrespecting my Daddy or myself. If you don't understand or like the lifestyle, I respect that, but that doesn't mean that I need to do better because He is my better. BDSM is more than sex and paying my bills. He does take care of me completely and I have no bills nor would I ever have to pay his. He can take care of himself. The lifestyle is about communication, trust, respect, honesty, and bond. If we didn't have even one of those, we wouldn't be together. I am doing this for fun and a little side money to have, otherwise I wouldn't need to work. I have had to struggle for a long time and this is the path I chose that has actually helped me completely. So, you don't have to respect it, but until you can witness our life together and not over one conversation of differences, you can't judge. I can assure you, I am not being used. I'm not a stupid little girl.
    Woah woah woah!

    1. Your Daddy runs a business? Awesome, a lot of people do. We do, too. Actually, in our line of business we spend a great deal of time sussing out just who is worthy of our time, and exactly whose business advice we should be taking. Many of us have spent years doing this; decades for some.
    2. Clients - be they "daddies" or not - giving performers business advice is not very well looked-upon here for good reason:
    Their advice is usually poised in such a way as to manipulate you, the performer in giving him cheaper shows.
    Your Daddy fits that bill.
    3. You asked for advice. You gots advice.

    Certainly no one here is disrespecting you. No one called you stupid. In fact, we are respecting your service enough to encourage you to steer clear of someone like your "daddy" because anyone who says to a sex worker "It's not about you, it's about them" is Sketchy Shit. So yes, you can do better. If the best I could do with a Daddy was to get someone who pulled that shit on me, I'd leave this industry behind.

    The disrespect happened there, with him; not here, with us.





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    I agree, raise your prices. I also think it seems you have a head on your shoulders and make your own decisions, you didn't say he's forcing you to set low prices, so I don't see anything wrong with the lifestyle you two have chosen. Ultimately subs and slaves and the like control everything, because if they pull the plug, the doms and masters don't have anyone to be in charge of anymore! I say this as a part-time lifestyle sub myself. That being said, if he ever gets abusive and thinks he CAN force you to make decisions you don't want to, leave his ass. Just like any other relationship!

    Anyway, don't bother with low prices, guys are such dicks at those rates! I cut out a lot of freeloaders keeping my prices up.

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    Default Re: "It's not about you, it's about them"

    I have a Daddy Dom too! <3

    But my Daddy says its about branding. Porn, like wine, is a luxury item. How many of us would REALLY know the difference between a fine vintage and box wine if it wasn't for the price tag? Setting your price is telling the market what you are worth.


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    Thank you to everyone and I do respect everyone's advice. My day is not ruined. Lol.

    Also...lol...my Daddy isn't a client. He is my Dom and I live with him.
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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    MissMorvahna ♥ :-)
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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    Default Re: "It's not about you, it's about them"

    At 1.50/hr going private with 1 person 100% of that whole hour = 30$/hr
    At 3.00/hr going private with 1 person 100% of that whole hour = 60$/hr
    At 6.00/hr going private with 1 person 100% of that whole hour = 90$/hr

    So his theory is that by cutting you back by half (rounding) you would get more people to buy private. You would have to guarantee that you can double the sales/amount of privates you get just to break even (aka do more work for the same cut). Everything beyond doubling your sales is profit.

    This is a pretty steep cut. If I were looking down this barrel knowing what I know I'd be shaking my head and screaming! There is more that goes into it. Instead of prices, the focus should be on time spent online, social skills, taking advantage of promotions/advertisements/changes on the site, and content. Those things will do more for you than cutting your price in half could ever accomplish.


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    Agreed and I don't plan on lowering them and he knows that also. I'm going to the words of hundreds of women in this industry because you all know it.
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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    Obviously you question "your Daddy's" business advice or you would NOT have posted on this site asking that question.

    You came here posting about "your Daddy" as if we are supposed to be all impressed. Can't say keep my personal life out of it, when you are the one who brought it to the table to begin with. Easily could have written "a friend advised me to try it this way instead of how I see all the top earners charge more".

    If "Daddy" is what you want & he is everything & knows it all, then no need for our advice at all. Go ahead, be cheap, be Walmart.

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    Thank you, Sam. I will keep that in mind. :-)
    ~*~I am a beautiful butterfly who will spread my wings and fly with you, dance with you, and play with you while I plant gentle kisses all over your body again and again and again ~*~

    **I am a fearless dragon who will spit acid in your eye and rape you in the ass with a fire poker as I giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle and giggle **

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