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    Thumbs down Fishy customer on ELM

    Hello there ladies!!
    I know there s an ELM thread already but I wanted to make a separate post so hopefully more girls see it and can give me your opinion here.
    I don t know about you but for me, that site has been DEAD lately, I haven t had any sales on ready to download videos in like weeks...
    The other day, this guy, username: "custom" contacted me,he wanted a 5 mins long video of me changing 5 outfits ( of course 5 mins weren t enough so the video was like like 6 mins long but that s fine).
    He made a 15 credits escrow ( I usually charge 30 credits for a 10 mins vid and 15 for a 5 mins one, wish I could charge more but it seems this s the only way I get to sell some custom work there every now and then.
    I delivered the video 2 days later and he said he wasn t happy with it cause I don t show my whole body on the video... ( he didn t state he wanted that and yes, maybe I should have done it but..), I thought aiming the camera down after putting every outfit on and turning around would do it ( I ve been on that site since 2010/2011 and this s the 2nd time a customer is not happy with a video I make...) so he offered to cancel the escrow and make a new one for half the credits ( so that would be like 7 credits) and I didn t think that was worth it, considering the % I keep, the time to make the video and the fact that he already had my first video... without reading the wiki area first I told him to ask for a full refund ( thinking i would still get paid) and then I realized it didn t work that way...
    But anyways, I still told support to give him the money back so I didn t have to deal with such a picky customer..

    On a 2nd note, maybe my mistake was to not pay attention to his escrow statistics, take a look and let me know what u girls think but I think a buyer that has cancelled 19 escrows so far makes me wonder if he says he s not happy with the video so he can get a 2nd video at half price or for free.....
    I mentioned this to him and he said it was cause girls accepted the escrows and after a month of not making the video he cancelled them.... ( can someone tell me if that s true? I think I read something different on the wiki area..)

    So here are his stats:

    Not Accepted In Progress Seller Cancelled Buyer Cancelled Completed Admin Cancelled Seller Completed Avg. Delivery (days)
    13 22 30 19 13 3 24
    the average days to get the jobs delivered was 5.2 or something...

    I was very honest with the admin and told him I preferred this guy to get his money and not have to deal with him anymore than to waste time making another video and who knows? maybe he " wasn t gonna be satisfied" either....lol
    Sometimes I wonder, do these guys think we are soooo desperate for money that we are gonna let them ruin our day or feel stressed so we can make a few bucks??
    He can keep his 15 credits and my video, I ll block his ass and I ll be taking a break from that site anyways.
    I m about to have my Southern charms page built and I ll be focusing on that instead, from what I heard, I m supposed to make more $$ there so that s what I ll do.
    Needless to say, if some of u had to deal with him I d like to know your experience.
    Thanks for reading my post and have a great week girls!!

    Melanie
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    If he didn't specifically state that he wanted your face in the video, he had no reason to get mad. He ran a game on you. If you hadn't caved, admin would have probably released the funds when you prove delivery and the e-mails detailing what he wanted. He'll probably keep doing it, because I'm assuming you aren't the first he has done this to. Try to see if you can give him low feedback and the details why, but if you had the escrow cancelled you may not be able to do it.

    If it happens again, stand your ground! You work hard for your money so you should get it, ALL of it.

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    melanielive: I don't know any more info about this picky "custom" whiner, but I'm sorry you're dealing with such an annoying jerk. As for what you said about it being dead and not getting sales unless prices are lower, I think the biggest blow was dealt to that site when someone named it Extra Lunch Money. It immediately puts an image in potential customers' heads (and perhaps in the sellers' too) that goods should be sold for the price of lunch money. And it's not even "Lunch Money", like enough to pay for a full lunch, but just "Extra" lunch money, like not enough for a full lunch but maybe $1 for an extra cookie or a snack-size bag of doritos or something.

    Maybe I'm just crazy, but it puts the image in my mind of a kid struggling to get enough change together for one of those little cardboard containers of milk... And that should never come into my mind when thinking about being a seller or customer on an adult site.

    It's kinda like that psychology anchoring effect where if you plant a high or low number in someone's head in a subtle way, and later ask them to estimate an unknown number or value for something, they end up subconsciously using the first number as a benchmark without realizing they're doing it and it drags the estimate up or down. Imo, the words extra lunch money set a pretty low anchor that drags down customers' ideas of what they should pay, whether they think about it or not. I'm not saying it's impossible for sellers to do well there, just that I believe the name set a precedent/expectation for cheap prices that makes guys more likely to quote low.

    And I see it has an affiliate link to myFREEcams at the top of the page, which probably doesn't help ladies who were trying to sell camshows on extralunchmoney.
    Plus for whatever it's worth, in my experience, the few customers who've told me I should go join extralunchmoney and talked about how great it was were all cheapo entitled douches, so that's my tidbit of anecdotal evidence that it might be a haven for cheap bastards.


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    The thing is I was showing my face, in fact I focused on showing my upper body but it seems Mr Custom wanted to see my whole body the whole time, and even tough i aimed the camera down a few times to show my outfit better I guess " he wasn t satisfied"...
    Yeah I m not happy at the traffic and most clientele on that site lately, I got a request from a guy to get my KIK username and I don t know if to accept it or not thinking it could be one of those guys who expects 20 pics x day or something...lol
    Once i had a guy who wanted to get a custom video but his "fantasy" was that he also wanted to build up excitement..lol so he was expecting me to give him my KIK username for no extra charge like a week before i was gonna make the video... lmao.... I think he contacted me twice actually and of course i never accepted and explain that the kik was another 15 credits....
    Another red flag I had about this guy was that when i said i wanted 15 credits for the vid he was the typical guy to say " most sellers have done it for 10"... that pisses me off so much when they say " X girl do it for 1 buck x min or 10 credits only" I m like dude.... this s my business, my profile, I set the prices... it s like going to taco bell and tell them how much they should charge... I know this s very common in the camming world but I wanted to point that out, even tough I ve been doing this for a long time, sometimes maybe trying to make a quick buck I don t read between the lines and I get burned.
    Another thing and I m sure i m not the only one that has noticed this is, many times, the big spenders are actually the less picky ones, the nicest to work with etc and then the ones that r spending less money on me are the ones " not happy or whatever.., reminds me of when I used to work front desk at a hotel in Orlando close to Disney...; the guys on business were the most easy going ones, they just wanted a clean room and then the most ANNOYING guests were usually the ones paying 25.00 x night cause they got a great deal thanks to their tour operator.. this guy made me think of that, it should be that the more u pay, the more u expect, not the other way around....
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    oh forgot to mention, admin got back to me very quickly and cancelled the escrow so this guy got to keep his 15 credits and maybe buy a happy meal with that money instead...lol and I got my peace of mind back, hope i can leave feedback even tough the escrow was cancelled ( not sure if that s possible) and needless to say I m blocking his cheap ass so i don t have to deal or hear from him ever again.
    Melanie

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    OK, I had it backwards then. Either way, if he did not specify showing off your entire body, he shouldn't complain. He said what he wanted and you filled in the gaps. That's what we do. If someone wants to tell me EXACTLY what to do, they will pay more than a regular custom. But they will get EXACTLY what they want.

    I'm sorry you had to deal with the douche, but there are plenty more out there like him. Remember how he acted and stick with the gut feeling next time someone seems hinky. You are right. Most of the time the big spenders are actually the less picky ones, the nicest to work with and then the ones that are spending less money are the ones who are pricks. It applies to all aspects of the sex trade too.



    ELM support is very quick. I like the support staff.

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    Listen, this guy would have found a reason to be picky so he could get it for free.

    He wasn't specific for a reason, he gets off on making girls jump through hoops for a few dollars then tries to scam them out of that.

    You are giving him way to much thought & space in your head. He is laughing at you.

    This is the main reason I do NOT do customs, they want to be a director & nick pick every little nuance & camera angle for a CHEAP price. Most of them want you to guess their special kink & don't give you the specifics. You can't make them happy for the most part.

    Move onto other projects & making money. Put the video up on ELM to sell & then post it on C4s & other vod sites to make money that will surpass his $15 in the end.

    Listen He is getting off on the power trip & getting free content. Obviously he does this a lot, don't waste time on game players.

    Sam

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    What Sam said is exactly what was in my head. I just have a hard time writing my thoughts sometimes.

    If it makes you feel better, I had this gem yesterday:

    Customer: I love your work! I have 2 videos I would like you to do. (Explains his requests) I would like both to be more than 20 minutes each.
    Me: I'm glad you have enjoyed your purchases. My price for the first video will be $4 per minute (Vanilla solo video) The price for the second will be $9 per minute (g/g foot video)
    Customer: On C4S it's only about $1 per minute. Why are your prices so high? I don't like to spend more than $50 on a video.
    Me: Videos posted there are made for mass appeal. Even if it says it was a custom, the person who ordered it paid a lot more but gave the artist permission to re-post it.
    Customer: Well, your prices are too high. I'll pass.
    Me: I hope you can get your video done. If you ever change your mind, you know how to contact me.

    Don't ever think that you aren't worth your price!

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    Melanie, I recently dealt with "custom" and cancelled my escrow with him. He wanted that exact same clip of outfit changes and I told him it would be 15 for it, since it seemed like an easy vid. He sent me the escrow for only 10. Generally, I'd never do it, but I needed to make a new clip for my SM Gold Club that day anyway and figured I'd kill two birds with one stone and that would give me enough to cash out my ELM (and I haven't used that site in a few months).

    Then, he sent a message saying I need to say his name a lot in the vid. I sent him a message saying I could not say names for that price and I cancelled it. He has messaged me a few times saying he thinks 10 is fair, but if I say his name a bunch, he'll do it for 15. I'm over it and won't be making a custom for "custom".

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    Thank u so much for all the messages ladies
    Well so it looks like I m not the only one he has been playing with...
    In my case he told me I had to mention his name before he made the escrow so I followed that rule...
    Like I said when I told him 15, he said " many girls have done it for 10..." ( like i mentioned above, I don t a damn F what other girls charged him... i charge whatever i want! lol)
    Anyways woke up this early morning to a message from this dude asking me " did u cancel the escrow? or the admin did? cause I didn t do it, in fact i was gonna let it go"..... ha ha ha ha yeah right, those 15 credits were gonna be sitting there til who knows when, fuck him, won t reply that message and block his ass, lil fucker trying to get 2 videos for 7 credits or something, i wish the site would ban him or something....
    He says those 19 escrows he cancelled were from girls that accepted them and then never made the video?? I know it s a big site but I really doubt 19 girls are gonna be so unprofessional to do that..
    Like Sam mentioned, I shouldn t dedicate anymore time to that cheap loser!
    Thanks for the support ladies!!
    Melanie

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    Oh, I had him, that was our conversation:

    Dumbasshole: Sent 2013-09-19 20:42:20
    hi,

    How much for a 5 minute, 5 outfit change where you go fully nude inbetween each change?

    Me: Sent 2013-09-19 21:17:53
    Hi,
    Thank you for your request. I can do it for 25 credits, without using your name.

    Dumbasshole: Sent 2013-09-24 19:48:51
    Hi,

    Ive been paying 10 from other sellers for same video length and type would you do like 12-14?

    Me: Sent 2013-09-24 23:55:19
    Yeah, and other buyers pay me the price that I ask, so I don't see why I should do it for less. There is no way I get naked for 2-3 credits per minute.

    And that was it. Then I saw his escrow statistics, which are horrible and I was happy that I didn't have to deal with him. I think I'm going to pay much more attention at the escrow statistics now, they can say a lot.

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    What a cheapo he s .... between videos he paid for, videos he "said he wasn t happy" who knows what a collection he has by now...
    And about the escrow data i totally agree, we all gotta pay more attention to that, that was my mistake in the first place, I should have asked him " hey what s up with those 19 escrow cancellations???"
    Unfortunately dealing with this kind of guys it s part of our job, we just gotta learn to stick to our guns more, gotta learn from it.
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    You know, I think I know who this is..can't say a lot of details on here though..


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    All I can say is why are people charging only a few credits per minute for custom vids? Come on ladies, we are better than that!

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    Like everything in the adult industry, you just have to filter the good paying customers from the cheeps cakes that just want free or near to free porn. Sometimes it doesn't work, but it's always a good lesson for the future, so don't worry too much about it, just move on and don't give that bastard any more space in your mind. I find that the most profitable thing is to refuse orders that are not worth it for you. This way you'll have more time to invest in actual money generating activities, even if you don't earn the 15 credits right now. xx

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    I m with u Sunny Alice
    @ Whirlerz wanna send me a pm? why u don t wanna talk about that in here??
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    Default Re: Fishy customer on ELM

    I thought about putting some stuff on ELM today. So as a result of these experiences, would you not recommend doing custom stuff? I have heard many say that the custom was where to make the money.

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    I wouldn t say don t do any custom jobs, most guys there are cool, at least the ones I ve dealt with, they r not all like this guy custom but of course there are cheapos and time wasters like at any site.
    My sales for "ready to download" have been so low lately that i ve decided to take october off and only do custom requests, I ll do the same on C4S cause it has been very slow as well.
    Give it a try! just be careful with the shady guys!

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    How do pics usually do on the site? I'm sorry for my ignorance but I'm new to this. All the posts have been beyond helpful though

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    Mmmm cannot tell u about pics, I ve only sold a couple pic sets, I m more into videos so that s what i always offer.
    I ve sold some skype shows too but not many, I think videos is what u ll sell the most there.
    Hope that helps!

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    I used to sell on ELM and don't anymore, because, as Bird of Paradise explained, it connotes the image of "scrambling" to make money and if you are doing customs, guys should not be so cheap about giving you the credits. And I've noticed a lot of girls there sell things for super cheap, even when they could ask more.

    Melanie, I'm sorry about your experience! But at least you can still make money off that clip!

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