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    Mind Blowing How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    At my new club the VIP rooms are very private and the minimum amount of time is half an hour. Sometimes a guy will just like me and we can sit there and talk and cuddle and do some dances. Those are the best. But there are also those guys that try to stick their tongue in my mouth/molest me or whip their dick out as soon as the door closes. I'm not interested in doing extras, but I know they're looking for a more wild time and I'm tired of snapping at them, and now I'm wondering if there's some fine line I could walk where we're both happy.

    I did a double VIP with another girl once and she was moaning and saying how wet she was and basically pantomiming sex without actually doing it, and I thought that was a good idea- the guy seemed satisfied with her but then as soon as I climbed on him he wanted more, he tried to bite my lady bits. -_- The other girl's thing worked for her, but I don't know if it's right for me, because my favorite act is quiet and a little haughty.

    Basically what I'm looking for is a diversion, something that will make the customer caught up in what I'm doing so he won't be so single-minded about trying to put his johnson in me. I need more energy and direction in what I'm doing, and need some help thinking of what specific things to do. Do you guys have any thoughts about this?

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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    This is something I think every clean dancer struggles with, and I doubt there's a one-size-fits-all solution. Some customers are horny and expecting extras, and when we don't deliver, they're not going to pay for another half hour.

    Diversion tactics I use:

    Back rubs - giving and sometimes receiving, if they want to, though don't expect them to be pleasurable.
    Dirty talk - like your friend was doing. Sitting in your custie's lap and telling naughty stories can feed some of that sexual energy, and if you're not actually "dancing" then he's less likely to try and grope and get extras out of you. Ask him about his craziest sexploits, too.

    If you're feeling daring and really want to tread the line, you can make a game out of it. Tell him it's against the rules to touch, BUT it drives you crazy (in a good way) when he doesn't touch you, and you want him to hold his hands above his head so you can show him how bad you want it. This has high potential to backfire though - it worked for a customer last weekend who extended with me, but he was high maintenance as fuck.

    Sometimes, nothing works. And really if a customer tried to "bite my lady bits," I'd cut our time short or pray to God he wouldn't want to extend. Eek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post



    Sometimes, nothing works. And really if a customer tried to "bite my lady bits," I'd cut our time short or pray to God he wouldn't want to extend. Eek.
    Wuut???^


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Wuut???^
    ^In reference to her original post.
    “The irony of commitment is that it's deeply liberating -- in work, in play, in love. The act frees you from the tyranny of your internal critic, from the fear that likes to dress itself up and parade around like rational hesitation. To commit is to remove your head as the barrier to your life.”
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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    I'll admit the longer I do this job the more cynical I get, but as summerbre said, sm times nothing works. She listed sm very good diversion suggestions, and I would add the suggestion of double-hustling w/ a friend who can help you maintain the distraction, not to mention you have sm1 to back you up if the guy gets overly aggressive. & really, re: being bitten, once he decides to bring his teeth to the party, that would be the time I act on my desire to knock them out of his head. Let him try a little S&M play on for size.

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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    If your skills like in the conversation and girlfriend experience, lead all your VIPs that way. Don't just start right away by dancing or getting naked - take your time. Chatting with flirty touches, then give him a back rub, then slowly move into a cuddly dance. Take a few songs before starting to actually strip, and keep up the sensual touches and conversation.

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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    This is a great question, I think a lot of dancers in all spots in their career struggle with this. I've tried a number of different strategies from cutesy nice girl style, to brick-wall bitch. Actually I've found that incorporating a bit of both works best, for me anyway. I also think it's important to just state really quickly (and discreetly, so it doesn't sound like you're lecturing them, more reminding them) what the club rules are, ending with something positive, as the dance is starting. I.e. if your club is a nude contact club and you just reminded your customer that he can't touch you between the legs, you can distract him from being disappointed and focusing on that aspect of the dance by, say, climbing on top of him and shoving your boobs in their face. Or whatever is allowed at your club.

    If a guy tries to cross lines with me, my first line of defence is the 3 chances. First time a cute reminder of what the rules are. Second time a more firm warning that includes a reference to "getting fired" or "cameras" or some other external enforcement. Third time, I will literally grab their hands, slam them back behind their head, sometimes putting my heel in close proximity to their crotch for good measure, lean in, shove my boobs in their face and say something sassy like "kitty scratches when you pull her tail, so if you want to keep those pretty blue eyes looking as fine as they do you're going to pet me how I like it, ok sweetie?" while stroking their hair or touching their shoulders or chest. A little bit of rough like you mean business and if they want to try and assault you they're not going to have an easy time of it, a bit of domme to put you firmly in charge, and a touch of sexy to hopefully keep their wallet going a bit longer and them pussywhipped for the rest of your dancing.
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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    I always lay the rules down hard when we first get into the room be firm and if he doesn't like it he won't pay for longer time which is not your problem. I also give them 3 chances after that I walk out.

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    I try to pull them in VIP for an hour straight away and say on the floor, that it's better to do an hour rather than half. That way, i am getting double the money for the same work pretty much. As far as extending horny customers goes, that only happened when I was in VIP with another girl. That is two of us and one customer or two customers and two girls. No matter how horny the customers are, they see that we don't do extras and realize that this is not the kind of club to do these things. And, if they have money,they extend. Now when I am alone with a horny customer, than I don't know how to extend.

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    I try to make it clear that the dance will be better if he behaves. I will mention that it's better if I can relax and enjoy myself too, but that I can't do that if I can't trust him to "be good." And yeah. Frequently that doesn't work. I use body positioning to keep him from licking, grabbing, touching himself, whatever. I won't turn my back to someone that I think might pull their dick out, for instance. If it gets bad, I will sit on the ground and rub my boobs on his lap. He doesn't have much access to my body from that position. I am not above inflicting pain. If he is touching me in a way I don't like and have said I don't like then, opps-- I might lose my balance and "accidentally" knee him hard, in the crotch. I'll play it off like I'm ticklish, got scared or whatever so things don't become confrontational. I've also done dances where I just kneeled on people's hands. Sometimes I just tell really awful ones to F off. If they are there for extras, they aren't going to come back to me anyway. Always get the $ at the beginning of the dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmine.Doll View Post
    I try to make it clear that the dance will be better if he behaves. I will mention that it's better if I can relax and enjoy myself too, but that I can't do that if I can't trust him to "be good." And yeah. Frequently that doesn't work. I use body positioning to keep him from licking, grabbing, touching himself, whatever. I won't turn my back to someone that I think might pull their dick out, for instance. If it gets bad, I will sit on the ground and rub my boobs on his lap. He doesn't have much access to my body from that position. I am not above inflicting pain. If he is touching me in a way I don't like and have said I don't like then, opps-- I might lose my balance and "accidentally" knee him hard, in the crotch. I'll play it off like I'm ticklish, got scared or whatever so things don't become confrontational. I've also done dances where I just kneeled on people's hands. Sometimes I just tell really awful ones to F off. If they are there for extras, they aren't going to come back to me anyway. Always get the $ at the beginning of the dance.
    This is GREAT & should be added to the sticky stuff!


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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    The key to VIP is distracting. Always try to get the MOST amount of time you can first and foremost. I always plop down with my dress ON and start asking questions, lots of questions. As the time goes on, you can make them more sexual to distract him from actually trying sexual things. I ask about their life, their job, if they'd ever been up in the VIP and with whom, how was their time (try to gauge what he is all about), I even ask about their family. Lots of times they will take out their phone and even show me pics of their kids. This is when I take control , I take his phone and awww and ohhh "omg he/she is soooo cute" and go on and on. I check out their apps and ask 'whats this one for' oooo thats soo coool! We play guess the nationality and age. We take forever ordering champagne and figuring out which he'd like. When there's a pause I may start taking my top off and dancing a bit and then I find another arsenal of questions/conversations that we can talk about WHILE im dancing and then all of a sudden, I'm not dancing anymore I'm laying on his lap talking my head off and he's loving every minute of it. I make sure to hand him his glass often and we toast and I refill the glasses when they are low. We can talk about his hobbies, whats his fave type of music, what food does he like and any good restaurants that he's been to recently, where he likes to travel, whats his favorite sexual position, craziest sex story ...see how it gradually goes into sexual nature as the time goes on...and time is almost up, it's time to extend !

    If they are ultra horny, you're going to have to toe that line with being sexy while talking your head off so he doesn't think all you do is talk but he also forgets that he wants XYZ service which you are not willing to provide. If it gets really bad, I call for backup such as a second dancer to help distract him. wooo 4 boobies now instead of 2. You can be silly and ask HIM to give YOU a dance or like someone else already suggested, backrubs. And sometimes, nothing works and you're just going to have to cut your losses when the time is up.


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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    long story short--DON'T.

    if someone is trying to make you do something you're uncomfortable with, leave.

    this is why you always get your money first. there will always be others that come after the grabby jerk off.

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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    The thing is that your customers can see you only in two ways: as a fantasy girlfriend or as a fantasy prostitute.

    Usually I have noticed that if you don't talk to them at all and just take your clothes off in VIP immediately they are much more likely to see you as the fantasy prostitute, which of course makes them feel entitled to go overboard. Talking to them is important because that makes it easier for them to see you as the "fantasy girlfriend" and they want you to like them as part of the fantasy, so they are a bit less keen on doing something you wouldn't like. Even if you don't like them, giving them some attention with words as well is common courtesy.

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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    The thing is that your customers can see you only in two ways: as a fantasy girlfriend or as a fantasy prostitute.

    Usually I have noticed that if you don't talk to them at all and just take your clothes off in VIP immediately they are much more likely to see you as the fantasy prostitute, which of course makes them feel entitled to go overboard. Talking to them is important because that makes it easier for them to see you as the "fantasy girlfriend" and they want you to like them as part of the fantasy, so they are a bit less keen on doing something you wouldn't like. Even if you don't like them, giving them some attention with words as well is common courtesy.

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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    Thanks for the replies everyone. Update: I quit working at that club altogether. It got to the point where I would wonder what form of assault was going to happen next time I worked and sometimes I'd even cry before work because I was dreading it so much. Really, at what kind of place do the customers almost universally drop trou and/or slam you into a wall and mash their mouth over your lips as soon as the door closes, before you even have time to sit down? Probably the kind of place where they've been trained to expect prostitution. One guy was shocked and said he's never had a girl refuse to do extras there.

    Wow.

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    OMG.wow.. glad you got out of there.

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    Default Re: How do I keep the ultra-horny guys happy in the VIP without going too far?

    keep your bouncers and taser handy!

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    Luckily we have cameras in our rooms, so if a guy does anything to cross the line, I just motion to the camera and tell him I can't do that or I could get fired. You could lie and say there are cameras.

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    I work in a nude contact club and honestly I just assume no one's gonna do more than a half hour. The only customers that do that are ones that want to talk. But I make $600 for the half hour so just doing one is fine with me, honestly I would rather just do one half hour with some grabby asshole and then work the floor for another half hour of random dances with different people. I often don't even bring up VIP, just because it's so expensive and they always ask me the same question, which is what do I get, and my answer is, 30 minutes of me dancing for you, to which they just sort of roll their eyes.

    Sure, VIP is nice-- much easier to pull down 15 dances in a VIP, bam, but I actually prefer doing single dances because I find guys aren't as grabby and don't expect as much as they do from a VIP. When I am in VIP I try to spread things out... I dance slower, do more of a striptease, and talk a lot more. It's physically exhausting for me to grind/lapdance for 30 minutes straight, so it's essential to add other things, and honestly, they get bored of that anyway. When I can tell the guy is getting really hot and horny I will purposely switch it up-- I'll stop whatever I'm doing and start to stroke his arm and ask him sexual questions. When his horniness is dying down I will start dancing again. That extends the whole experience and cuts down on the likelihood that he's going to force an extra on me.

    However, if I can tell someone is going to be bad, I just assume I'm gonna make my $600 and then I'm going to move on with my night. If someone turns out to be bad, I give them usually two chances and then I end the dance because I don't care how much you're paying me I'm not going to spend 30 minutes of my life physically fighting you from finger-fucking me (I have done this soooo many times and it's just not worth it... they never tip or do another half hour anyway). I explain that my club is very strict and there are cameras. I try to be flirty about it, move their hands to my butt/my boobs or something of the sort, but there really isn't much you can do if the guy is REALLY just wanting to get off and you aren't down for it.

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    1.jpgI may get hated on but really if you're not doing full contact and all that you're not making money. You can do full contact without getting fingered or having hands where you don;t want them if you know how to control your customer and make them think you'll give them more. I will dance on them, with a slow grind, and I'm not shyt about putting my legs over their shoulders or boobs in their face. You always want them to think you're going to give it up for them.. it
    it is an illusion and fantasy that never happens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JadeNicole View Post
    I may get hated on but really if you're not doing full contact and all that you're not making money. You can do full contact without getting fingered or having hands where you don;t want them if you know how to control your customer and make them think you'll give them more. I will dance on them, with a slow grind, and I'm not shyt about putting my legs over their shoulders or boobs in their face. You always want them to think you're going to give it up for them.. it
    it is an illusion and fantasy that never happens!
    You must have some politeass customers if none of them have ever tried to physically force you to do extras. That's what I meant... how do you keep those guys happy, just dancing like you're describing, when they are hell-bent on putting their dick in one of your holes rightthisverysecond? Now that I've had experience with Manhattan rooms, the answer is you don't. They want sex. They think they have the right. So they're going to be unsatisfied with just sexy dancing, and be very single-minded about trying to force you to fuck. I thought I could still satisfy them by giving really sexy dances but nope, if all they want is to get fucked or sucked off there is nothing any clean dancer can do to make them happy.

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    ^This so much.

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    1.jpgI work in a very upscale club.. we have good management and most of the people I am that aggressive with are VIP members or regulars.

    Quote Originally Posted by starlily View Post
    You must have some politeass customers if none of them have ever tried to physically force you to do extras. That's what I meant... how do you keep those guys happy, just dancing like you're describing, when they are hell-bent on putting their dick in one of your holes rightthisverysecond? Now that I've had experience with Manhattan rooms, the answer is you don't. They want sex. They think they have the right. So they're going to be unsatisfied with just sexy dancing, and be very single-minded about trying to force you to fuck. I thought I could still satisfy them by giving really sexy dances but nope, if all they want is to get fucked or sucked off there is nothing any clean dancer can do to make them happy.

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    For guys like that, I hope he's a coke head. Lol. If not, I'm out. I wouldn't stay in a room I can't handle. Not worth it.

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