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    Mind Blowing Is US Gov't shutting down..

    & do we care? This's like the 3rd time I'm hearing this


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    We shall see... All eyes on John Boener.
    “The irony of commitment is that it's deeply liberating -- in work, in play, in love. The act frees you from the tyranny of your internal critic, from the fear that likes to dress itself up and parade around like rational hesitation. To commit is to remove your head as the barrier to your life.”
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    ^^^ well, the senate refused to approve a 1 year delay for Obamacare, and thus rejected the house's continuing resolution, so technically yes the US gov't no longer has authority to spend money since today begins a new fiscal year. However, in reality ...

    - SNAP, Medicaid, Medicare, Disability, Social Security etc. checks will still be paid

    - US Treasury bond interest and principal payments will still be paid

    - 'essential' gov't workers will still go to work and still be paid

    - the IRS will continue full operations ( unfortunately ! )

    - 'non-essential' gov't workers will be furloughed, which in every other past instance of no budget approval / continuing resolution actually amounted to a retroactively paid additional 'vacation'. This may affect strip clubs located in close proximity to large federal gov't 'enclaves' i.e. DC, VA, MD, Houston, NY, LA, etc.

    - US Military personnel will remain 'on the job', although they may be paid via 'credits' versus cash until a budget / continuing resolution is approved. Said 'credits' can be used to pay for PX shopping, for on-base housing etc, but cannot be used to pay for lap dances !!! Thus clubs located in close proximity to military bases may be affected.

    - National Park Service attractions will be shut down, which may temporarily affect tourism thus strip club traffic for any clubs located in close proximity to national monuments from the Statue of Liberty to the Smithsonian, or in close proximity to National Parks.

    - 'non-essential' gov't contractor payments will be suspended, which may lead to consequences for payrolls at major defense contractors, major suppliers to gov't agencies etc. Thus if this situation continues for an extended length of time, strip clubs in close proximity to major defense / gov't contractors may be affected.

    Keep in mind that, while the last occurrence of a budget impasse was in the mid-90's thus out of many people's memories, all in all this has happened something like 17 times in the past.

    Details of exactly what will and will not be affected by this latest budget impasse, as well as details of what happened when this occurred 17 times in the past, can be found at

    (snip)"Here's a brief recap:

    Campers in national parks with entrance gates will have to leave, a zoo panda-cam will be turned off, the airline consumer complaint-line will be shut down (but not air traffic control), routine food inspections will be off (but not meat inspections or high-risk inspections), some SNAP services may be shut down (but not school lunch programs), there will be delays in handing disability claims, and Friday's jobs report may or may not be delayed. Servicemen will be paid, homeland security personnel will stay on duty, Fannie Mae will keep on issuing mortgages with a full staff, but the FHA which handles about 15% of mortgages will have a reduced staff.

    The critical date when more serious cutbacks would happen is somewhere around October 17 or perhaps October 22 (I have seen both dates). I expect this mess to be resolved by then."(snip)


    The reference to October 17-22 involves the US gov't debt level absolutely hitting the congressionally authorized debt ceiling with most other 'accounting trick' methods of funding additional gov't spending also being exhausted. At that point, a new congressional vote will be needed to allow the US federal gov't to borrow yet more money and thus continue spending money at the rate it is / has been. If an increase in the debt ceiling is not approved by the US congress at that time, actual real spending by the US federal gov't would have to be reduced. This is a far more 'serious' issue than the present budget impasse, since potentialities would involve such things as ( additional ) tax increases, 'permanent' layoffs of non-essential federal gov't workers, 'permanent' cancellation of defense contractor / gov't supplier contracts, etc.
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    I think we should confine ourselves to the practical , everyday realities brought on by a shutdown and a possible future refusal to raise the debt limit. For now , they are few as far as the average person is concerned. Social Security checks are going out ; airlines are flying; mail is being delivered; military salaries are being paid; government debt is being honored and interest thereon is being paid. The downside , for now , is that you can't visit the National Zoo or a national park.

    If you are a vendor with the Federal government or have a contract with them , you are going to wait to get paid. So are states and cities expecting Federal aid.

    Btw, who likes the idea that the POTUS and Congress are getting paid during this "crisis" ? Just asking .

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    ....And my homeowners insurance is going to go up 10 times what I pay now. This bullshit is going to effect spending in the clubs because whenever there's uncertainty in the future of the economy everyone freaks and holds on to there money and were a luxury item. No wonder the car dealers called me 4 times a day since I've been back. May be a good time to get whole sale since I can just go to the auction and buy a car any how.

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    Also they still get paid so should all the poor people who aren't going to today because of the shut down!

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    We haven't defaulted on any debt. Yet. So long as we don't , the economic impact of the shutdown ought to be minimal.

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    ^So you think there's a chance that people will be celebrating their furlough at my club's day shift?
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    a ( welcome ) correction ... it turns out that the IRS has furloughed 86,000 or 91% of it's 95,000 workers ! This HAS to mean that far fewer audits will be performed, which is good news for many dancers. See


    This bullshit is going to effect spending in the clubs because whenever there's uncertainty in the future of the economy everyone freaks and holds on to there money and were a luxury item.
    Based on today's actions in the US stock markets ( up ) and bond markets ( interest rates neutral ), and in most of the commodity markets ( oil down ), it would appear that the budget impasse has caused 'good' things to happen economically speaking. Or as certain pundits have commented, "Mr. Market' appears to like the fact that the US gov't has been forced to spend less money.

    Where direct effects on strip clubs are concerned, it is arguably the case that oil ( thus gasoline ) prices which directly affect middle class weekly budgets, and stock market valuations which affect the unearned income of the top 20% of Americans, have a much larger aggregate effect on strip club customer spending than mid-level gov't workers receiving delayed 'vacation' pay.
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    ^^I think a more accurate assessment would be that yesterday the market thought the budget impasse would be a short-term problem and not be much of a factor- today, not so much.

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    Perhaps the markets are able to remember that during previous government shut-downs ( there were 7 or 8 under Reagan alone ) that neither the country or economy collapsed. So long as interest gets paid on the debt and bonds get redeemed , the overall effects ought to be minimal.

    Now let's all mind our "P's and Q's " and stay away from the politics. Let's confine ourselves to the practical , everyday effects , if any. We might as well. Nobody in D.C. is going to listen to us anyway.

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    I still think people are going to be glued to their t.vs watching cnn or whatever. And Melonie now that business owners HAVE to insure employees I know in the club I was just at they were bitching they won't be out spending as much in the clubs.

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    I read an Op-Ed in Monday's N.Y. Times by Henry Aaron ( seriously , that was his name ) that reminded me of a question I heard someone ask : Why doesn't Obama and the Executive branch just ignore the Debt Limit ?
    Why don't they just spend what they have to spend and settle up later when this thing is resolved ?
    They can't. There is a Federal statute called the Anti-Deficiency Act that prohibits any spending that Congress has not authorized. In fact there are criminal penalties for doing so.

    Michelle - Obamacare is a separate subject for which there is a separate thread.

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    ^Considering the Gov't shutdown is a direct result of disagreement over the Affordable Care Act, don't you think it's reasonable to bring the subject up in this thread?
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    ^^^ Only in that context perhaps BUT it presents such a slippery surface that I KNOW that any discussion of O-Care beyond the practicalities will get ( hide the children ! ) political. Eeek ! So I suggest that it is best to leave it to a separate thread focused on particular health plans and the like.

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    Lol you and Melonies discussion was more political in nature than mine and considering I'm a dancer and it could effect my earnings and it's the main reason the government shut down I think my post was in the guidelines of being non political.

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    ^^^ Michele this is an ( increasing ) dilemma when attempting to raise topics which have potentially far-reaching economic effects for US dancers and camgirls in Dollar Den, but which are also the result of US 'gov't policy'. Avoiding discussion altogether leaves SW dancers and camgirls without information as to how such topics may directly and specifically relate to their own financial situations. Allowing in-depth discussion inevitably tracks backward to discussion of the 'gov't policy', which in can lead to the thread ( and it's relevant economic discussions ) being deleted altogether. So we all 'walk a tightrope' in this regard.


    And Melonie now that business owners HAVE to insure employees I know in the club I was just at they were bitching they won't be out spending as much in the clubs
    From a standpoint of pure economics, local business owners will see increased costs if they decide to provide their own 'qualified' health insurance to their full time employees. If that results in lower profit margin for the business owner, this will translate into the business owner having less money for 'luxury' spending i.e. lap dances. However, business owners also have a number of options available that may prevent this from happening, i.e. converting full time employees to part time employees, or discontinuing employee health insurance coverage altogether but paying the 'employer' IRS penalty, or discontinuing their own employee health insurance coverage in favor of SHOP Public Exchange insurance coverage. Thus your assertion is not a certainty.

    At any rate, circling back to the thread's topic of the US gov't 'shutting down', it appears that Washington DC will now be combining discussions / negotiations on the continuing resolution ( allowing the gov't to continue spending money at the same rate as in the past ) with discussions / negotiation on the debt ceiling ( allowing the gov't to borrow and spend more money than they were allowed to in the past ). This almost certainly leads to a conclusion that any financial consequences to dancers and camgirls stemming from the budget impasse are likely to drag on for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    ^Considering the Gov't shutdown is a direct result of disagreement over the Affordable Care Act, don't you think it's reasonable to bring the subject up in this thread?.
    No because any discussion on our part is futile. The dummies in D.C. are not going to listen to us. I think it is best to just focus on the practical "here and now" of the government shut-down and avoid the "whys and wherefores ". Obamacare is a separate subject and the practicalities of same are being dealt with in a separate thread.

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    It pisses me off that govt. employees are being furloughed and the guys who engineered the shutdown still get paid.

    Oh yeah, and then there is WIC...

    "Since 53 percent of infants in the U.S. rely on WIC to meet their full nutritional needs, this is a massive shortfall that could leave a lot of babies hungry and mothers scrambling for food."

    --Source: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...down_will.html


    I don't care what party these people belong to. If....... IF... these shenanigans continue to the 18th of October and the projected consequences come to pass... these people should be charged with treason. I'm sorry if that comes across as heated but COME ON! They have one job... and that job is to keep the country running. This is bad for EVERYTHING... Enough!
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    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

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    The country IS running Sophia. I share your annoyance with the latest batch of D.C dummies but I think we ought to maintain our perspective. Since 1970 there have been at least a dozen " shut -downs ". We survived then. We'll survive this one too.

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    53% of all babies are on WIC? That is disturbing on so many levels. Anyway, this whole shutdown is because both parties as they stand are at the extreme end of what their parties should stand for. It reminds me of kids "you did it" "no you did it".

    This is why we need a third party that will be fiscally conservative and socially liberal and rational.

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    Shooting at the capital! Wondering when something like this was going to happen? Eric there are tons of people not getting paid! How is this not affecting the economy???

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    I just heard about that shooting. How horrible and it really reinforces my belief that so many people are mad about this.

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    Also yes this happened during the Reagan era( oops you brought it up) but the economy was in a much better state in the 80's!

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    happened in like 95 too, right? yup, section 8 shutting down, and WIC. wic is actually a very good program, not too many people can afford formula at the ridiculous prices they are at (it pisses me off how they jack up prices when it comes to kids, because what choice to you have? off topic.), they also lend breast feeding mothers electric pumps and give classes, etc. only healthy foods are available on their vouchers.
    i totally agree with sophia. the "non essential" people are not getting paid, but i guess the greedy already-rich politicans are "essential"?? its them who should not be getting paid for fucking everything up!! so angry.

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