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    Hello,

    I dated a woman for a few weeks who dances in a strip club. We once both went to the champagne room. She recently informed me the club video records what happens in the room. My concern is what does the club management do with these videos?

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    If they ever even actually existed it was only for a few days or weeks before the tapes or drives were recorded over. Clubs that do record (and most don't even if they say that they do) are doing it to keep an eye on the girls and what they are doing with their customers. It's also worth mentioning that some dancers will tell you that the CR session is being recorded as an excuse to refuse a request for sexual extras from their customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    If they ever even actually existed it was only for a few days or weeks before the tapes or drives were recorded over. Clubs that do record (and most don't even if they say that they do) are doing it to keep an eye on the girls and what they are doing with their customers. It's also worth mentioning that some dancers will tell you that the CR session is being recorded as an excuse to refuse a request for sexual extras from their customers.
    Thanks for the info.

    I was wondering if champagne room footage could potentially end up online, perhaps on speciality sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitronBleu View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    I was wondering if champagne room footage could potentially end up online, perhaps on speciality sites.
    A) Are you so good looking that other dudes would want to jerk off looking at you?

    B) Have you ever seen, "specialty sites" that offer "candid" footage of CR dances?
    1. Does the footage on these sites actually look like footage taken from a CCTV? Meaning, does it look like the footage you see on the news of convenience store/bank robberies?
    2. Is there more than one angle, and do those angles include closeups? If so, when you look at the footage from the other angle, could there possibly be a place where a camera could be hidden to get the other angle? Meaning, if the main angle is upper corner of the room and the room has no furniture in it but the couch, and the next angle is a closeup on the dancer's booty where the camera would have to be on the floor in front of the couch...uh...where on earth would that second camera be? You can't see anywhere it could be in the first camera.
    3. Are the faces of the dudes receiving services blurred out?
      • If not, they must have signed paperwork stating that it's okay for the club to use that footage. Therefore, they were made aware that they were being filmed and signed a consent form and presented two forms of ID.
      • If not, and if there are multiple camera angles, or the camera moves, or the footage is crystal clear, or all the men involved are super attractive, this is a porn site that stages fake CR dances. I've been hired for a few sites that purport to show real footage of genuine girls going buck wild.
      • Examine the site for a "2257 compliance" statement. All porn sites based in the US need one of these.




    C) People who run porn sites are entrepreneurs. This means that they want to (just like all other businesses) make money. To make money you need happy customers and no road blocks. We conduct ourselves in a professional way so as to meet those goals. If we rip off your credit card number or buy shady video (where X SC custy might see himself filmed illegally and sue) we don't get to stay in business. There are already enough institutional prejudices against porn. We really don't need any more problems.
    1. So a porn site isn't going to buy this footage, what about someone posting it for free?
      • Refer to point A.
      • If you were a business [strip club] owner and you found out that one of your employees was stealing confidential client information (CR video) and posting it on the internet, thus opening you up for criminal charges and civil litigation you'd be ripshit and fire that employee, right? So since you, as a business owner who already has tons of other shit to worry about, would take steps to limit this happening by not letting others have access to the "tapes" and would make sure that anyone who did have access to the tapes first thought they were boring to look at* and second was aware of the criminal penalties that they personally would face (since you'd throw them under the bus) if anything happened.




    D) Dancers usually only tell custies that the session is being recorded if they feel that the guy is going to try something they don't want him to. They get the impression that he's going to do this if he's either requesting extras or being handsy and has already ignored her or tried to slime around her when she's told him several times that it's not going to happen. Which one of those criterion did you fulfill?
    1. So it serves you right if the unlikeliest of unlikelies were to happen to you.


    *And really, those tapes ARE boring to look at. Once you've seen a)one middle aged business man trying to feel up a dancer while she valiantly tries to fend him off b)"the extras girl" suck off the umpteenth guy in a row w/o even brushing her teeth c)"the other extras girl" make yet another guy blow a load on his tie in less than a minute ....as the saying goes, "...you've seen 'em all"

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    Quote Isabel Wren*And really, those tapes ARE boring to look at. Once you've seen a)one middle aged business man trying to feel up a dancer while she valiantly tries to fend him off b)"the extras girl" suck off the umpteenth guy in a row w/o even brushing her teeth c)"the other extras girl" make yet another guy blow a load on his tie in less than a minute ....as the saying goes, "...you've seen 'em all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitronBleu View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    I was wondering if champagne room footage could potentially end up online, perhaps on speciality sites.

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    Are you so good looking that other dudes would want to jerk off looking at you?
    Interesting perspective on male psychological motivations for viewing heterosexual porn!

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    It's wiped over or doesn't exist in the first place. Trust me: they have more interesting dressing room footage anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsobelWren View Post
    A) Are you so good looking that other dudes would want to jerk off looking at you?
    Which begs the question, who buys/watches porn with Ron Jeremy in it?
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    There's video cameras in at least one club where I've gotten extras. I have many of the same thoughts as above -- by all accounts, the cameras suck, the quality sucks, it's dark in there. Add these up, it's very unlikely anyone would make money trying to sell these videos anywhere. It is definitely possible some manager watched you; that's the way it is, alas. I think the odds are vanishingly small that your video will get posted on clips4sale, someone watches it and can tell without a doubt it's you, tells his wife (because his wife is totally cool with him watching clips4sale videos), who happens to be your wife's BFF, etc... in fact, I've never seen any news stories about strip club videos getting posted without customers' consent, and the news LOVE stories like this, though of course anything is possible.

    One comment about "Are you so good looking that other dudes would want to jerk off looking at you?" The guys in many of the videos I watch are horrible. If the action is hot and the girl is hot, I'm pretty good at filtering out the guy, and I believe most men are the same.

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    I worked at a club where our manager/owner saved really funny private dance footage. We had some super weird guys with STRANGE fetishes, at this specific club. Once and a while, he'd show the girls his favorite videos, after hours. I laughed so hard I almost passed out. But I can't imagine that any of those videos would ever be posted online... Our owner wouldn't risk getting the club shut down. Then again, I know he made copies for a few different people, so who knows. This club had a rule about turning the lights down too low, in the private rooms. So the footage was pretty good, depending on the angle. I'm not sure if the bright lights were for the dancers safety or the owners amusement....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitronBleu View Post
    Interesting perspective on male psychological motivations for viewing heterosexual porn!
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    Which begs the question, who buys/watches porn with Ron Jeremy in it?
    Oh I'm not trying to say that the DUDE is who you guys are watching. I mean, it's cool with me if you are, I think it's hot when guys admit that they're not the "110% straight" American society pressures them to be. To the point though, I'm not a huge expert, but over my time (9 years) and dinner parties/conventions/meetings/stoned conversations while chilling out with porn producers I've repeatedly heard it bandied about that there are two tracks in hiring male stars for straight porn. 1) Hire someone the consumer identifies with 2) Hire someone the consumer would like to identify with. So, hire the guy he is or hire the guy he would like to be. Ron Jeremy rose [heh] to fame when the former ideology was more prevalent. James Deen rose to fame during the latter. ...also it helps that James Deen is voted supremely bone-able by most women I know (admittedly, my sample is skewed) and therefore has a big toe hold in also both the straight womens' market and the couples who watch porn together market.

    Obviously, as with all things that involve the natural world, this is not all true, every situation, all of the time. From my experience it is what happens the vast majority of the time. IMHO, the type 2 is the dominant ideology in porn today. Both types of content are being produced at all times though, and both types of content probably have their own primary audience (as far as age/income bracket/location of upbringing, etc). Probably consumers don't even notice that they tend to favor one type of porn over the other. As we all know, the man in the scene is viewed as primarily there to be a live prop, so I'm guessing that even consumers who tend to favor porn with type 1 or type 2 can't say, "Oh yeah, and I also like this one because that guy acts/looks like me so I can imagine I'M the one doing Sunny." I'm guessing that he prefers this video over that video for other primary reasons and then this reason being the je ne sais quoi

    Anyway. Speculation based on anecdotal evidence based on years of working in and around porn + being a scientist + starting training in the mental health/social work field. INAL, YMMV and so forth.


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    I would love to share, but this was a weird club within a very specific cultural background and I don't want to reveal myself... If I told the stories it would be easy to pin point where I was at... Not the club, but the area. And there were only a few clubs in this area. I tell too many antcedotes about my former co-workers, here and I don't want to do anything that might reveal them, either. All I can saw is weird--very very very weird stuff going on in the backrooms. Not even sexual stuff. Just bizarre stuff. The only guys who wanted normal SC services were out of towners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmine.Doll View Post
    I worked at a club where our manager/owner saved really funny private dance footage. We had some super weird guys with STRANGE fetishes, at this specific club. Once and a while, he'd show the girls his favorite videos, after hours. I laughed so hard I almost passed out. But I can't imagine that any of those videos would ever be posted online... Our owner wouldn't risk getting the club shut down. Then again, I know he made copies for a few different people, so who knows. This club had a rule about turning the lights down too low, in the private rooms. So the footage was pretty good, depending on the angle. I'm not sure if the bright lights were for the dancers safety or the owners amusement....
    LOL. This and a few other considerations are exactly why I never go into a VIP room that has cameras, ever. It will be a cold day in Hell before some fucktard has me on camera doing "whatever", even if that involves no more than enjoying LDs. This has been my policy for over a decade and IMHO it has served me well. I'm ok with dropping a few bucks on LDs in an open and/or camera zone, but I find cameras in a VIP/CR area to be offensive.

    Now with all of the advancements in camera technology, I suppose that someone could hide a camera and I'd never know. But I ask in advance and it is game over if I spot one when I go in.

    Anyway, just one man's view of the world - lol.

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    I know I've said this before but it bears repeating. The vast number of cameras in any strip club are pointed at the cash registers and in the dressing room. Management is concerned about theft first and drugs or other shenanigans in the dressing room second. Extras in VIP come in a distant third. This doesn't mean it never happens but a lot of it has to do with knowing the clubs you are in. Security cameras are expensive and the reality is the club makes money when a dancer sells VIP. They aren't in a huge hurry to kill the golden goose. I can't honestly say in well over 25 years of clubbing that I have ever once worried about being on camera.
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    Maybe I've just worked in weird clubs, but most, like at least 70% of the places I've worked had cameras in the VIP/private rooms. The only places they didn't have them where at places that had a giant man with no neck observing the private dance (although he would usually go away, for a fee.) My boss actually had me buy the cameras for the club at the freaky place I discussed. They were super cheap... Just wireless webcams. We hooked them up to the computer in the office and kept the images on the hard drive. It was actually a city ordinance that forced us to do this.... The cameras were kinda bulky and we didn't want customers to freak out, so someone built fake vents in the walls and that's where the cameras lived.

    At some if the clubs I've been to, I can't imagine doing private dances in rooms without cameras... Those cameras are my friends!!! How would anyone know if I someone was cutting my face off, in a private room without a security camera? With the music so loud, I doubt anyone could hear me scream. I worked at a club where the was a hand signal to alert security that there was a problem in your room. You stuck your arm in the air, wiggled 1, 2, 3, or 4 fingers depending on which room you were in and some dude would be in their with you in 5 seconds flat.

    I've also worked in clubs that had cameras in the backrooms for the sole purpose of catching girls breaking the rules. I worked this awful, ghetto club that allowed dirty shit to go down, but charged the extra girls extra. So, you could totally fuck a dude in the private room, but management would demand an extra $200, on top of the regular room fee. That place was a nightmare!!!

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    I sell them on clips4sale after my PI friend finds where you work and live!
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    Hello,

    I dated a woman for a few weeks who dances in a strip club. We once both went to the champagne room. She recently informed me the club video records what happens in the room. My concern is what does the club management do with these videos?

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    I sell them on clips4sale after my PI friend finds where you work and live!
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    Hello,

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    [QUOTE=Jasmine.Doll;2546497] My boss actually had me buy the cameras for the club at the freaky place I discussed. They were super cheap... Just wireless webcams. We hooked them up to the computer in the office and kept the images on the hard drive.
    At some if the clubs I've been to, I can't imagine doing private dances in rooms without cameras... Those cameras are my friends!!!

    I LOVE that you picked out the cams!
    To the OP you/we all have been on many cams everywhere..


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    YES!!! They can! Some strip clubs even have Live cams now! And I knew one club that was selling content for stock footage to tv and movie studios!

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    Thanks for the info.

    I was wondering if champagne room footage could potentially end up online, perhaps on speciality sites.

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    YES!!! They can! Some strip clubs even have Live cams now! And I knew one club that was selling content for stock footage to tv and movie studios!

    Quote Originally Posted by CitronBleu View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    I was wondering if champagne room footage could potentially end up online, perhaps on speciality sites.

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