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    Hey girls!


    First, some details about myself. I have been a cam model for several years now. I do solo and b/g with my husband. I've been on Streamate mostly, and MFC as well. I would like to consider myself one of the top 20 models on Stream and top 100 on MFC. I am mostly new to MFC.


    Stream has been ridiculously successful for me and my husband. We make easily 150k a year. I started to work on MFC more though recently as I see longer term even bigger numbers possible there. Solo wise, as Stream doesn't do as well for me solo. Plus it frees my husband up to work on other things.


    I wish to remain completely anonymous as I'm sure if streamate or MFC were to see this post I would get banned very quickly :-)


    As models on Streamate it has been obviously successful but at the same time annoying as all hell. They ban models for stupid reasons, provide very poor customer support, piss off the customers, have stupid inconsistent rules (one model is allowed to get away with one thing, another gets banned for it). Plus, they are so obsessed with chargebacks so that the members can't give out huge tips like they can on MFC. Oh and don't even get me started on connection issues. Myself as well as countless other models have complained about dropping connection. I have one of the fastest internet providers in Texas. Its not my internet. And when I complain... supposedly I am the only one. But twitter is full of complaints. Many of you stream models out there can probably relate to most of all this.


    The payout is obviously low with Stream however we aren't stupid. We understand that they pay affiliates a huge part and thats why there is so much traffic. Many girls just look at it and say "Streamate takes 65%+!!!!". No... they don't. They have hosting cost, chargebacks, affiliate cost, cc processing fees. When its all said and done they are luck to make 10-15%... if that.


    We also own a stream studio. Thats even more annoying. They allow models to jump between studios. Sometimes they say your ID pictures must be perfect, other times they let stupid shit get approved. We have even had models be approved for several weeks... working for us and making money... then they email us and shut the account down because they figured out they didn't like the ID pictures. Oh and it takes forever to get accounts approved.


    I could get into more specific issues with Stream but again I want to remain anonymous so I won't go there.


    MFC is much much better. But they don't allow couple shows. Plus their site is pretty confusing.


    In my opinion as it stands, if Streamate doesn't get things together and make changes, MFC will put them out of business.


    Now down to business...


    The reason for this post is that we have been thinking about longer term business ideas in the industry. We have tossed around many ideas but one just keeps coming back to us... making our own cam site. The undertaking would be massive. My husband would be the main one doing all the work. Its a huge cost and a huge risk. But I think it could be successful. A cam site made for cam models by cam models.


    I'm coming to the forum not to promote. But to get ideas and feedback from a community of girls (and guys out there as well I guess).


    Please give me your ideas/feedback/comments on what would be different for a cam site you would like to work on vs Stream/MFC/whatever other site out there.

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    I have NEVER heard of anyone making only 10 to 15 percent on there, even studio performers. The 65 percent Streamate earns from us does go to cover hosting, affiliates, upgrades, etc. Streamate also doesnt charge the cam performers for chargebacks. So your claim Streamate is SO obsessed with chargebacks is 100 percent false and the members do give out big tips on there. If you are going to pretend to work on a site, at least have knowledge about the site.

    I have a Streamate studio and they do NOT allow performers to jump from studio to studio. They strictly forbid that and many studio performers on here can vouch for that.

    MFC will NEVER put Streamate out of business. If anything the government will put MFC out of business for allowing anything to go in free chat and not requiring an age verification to watch the free shows. It's only a matter of time before cam sites get cracked down on like so many adult membership sites have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophiawrightcam View Post
    I'm coming to the forum not to promote. But to get ideas and feedback from a community of girls (and guys out there as well I guess).


    Please give me your ideas/feedback/comments on what would be different for a cam site you would like to work on vs Stream/MFC/whatever other site out there.
    Maybe it's just me, but maybe you should be a part of the community you want to pump information and ideas from before just making an account and expecting us to help you start a business out of the goodness of our hearts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    I have NEVER heard of anyone making only 10 to 15 percent on there, even studio performers. The 65 percent Streamate earns from us does go to cover hosting, affiliates, upgrades, etc. Streamate also doesnt charge the cam performers for chargebacks. So your claim Streamate is SO obsessed with chargebacks is 100 percent false and the members do give out big tips on there. If you are going to pretend to work on a site, at least have knowledge about the site.

    I have a Streamate studio and they do NOT allow performers to jump from studio to studio. They strictly forbid that and many studio performers on here can vouch for that.

    MFC will NEVER put Streamate out of business. If anything the government will put MFC out of business for allowing anything to go in free chat and not requiring an age verification to watch the free shows. It's only a matter of time before cam sites get cracked down on like so many adult membership sites have.



    I'll address your response point by point.


    - I NEVER said models were making 10 to 15 percent (although I have heard that some Russian studios only give their models that). I said Streamate when its all said and done is lucky to make 10 to 15 percent. Models get 35% or less if working for a studio.

    - I know Stream doesn't charge models for chargebacks. Again NEVER said that. I said they were obsessed with it because they don't allow big huge tips like MFC. The largest I have ever gotten was $450. The largest I have seen on stream was $500. I have had big spenders get their account shut down by stream customer support by asking to raise their limits. Thats what I was talking about.

    - Yes, they do not allow models to jump around. But it DOES happen. We have lost at least 20 models that way or them signing up for a separate account through Stream directly. They catch it sometimes but don't always really care.

    - Stream vs MFC... that's an opinion and I respectfully disagree but I welcome your opinion of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophiawrightcam View Post
    - Yes, they do not allow models to jump around. But it DOES happen. We have lost at least 20 models that way or them signing up for a separate account through Stream directly. They catch it sometimes but don't always really care.
    Wait, are you seriously complaining about SM sometimes (very very rarely, if the model is incredibly lucky) allowing studio models to work directly with SM, or hop to a studio that gives them more options instead of sucking their earnings like a parasite? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaeRae View Post
    Maybe it's just me, but maybe you should be a part of the community you want to pump information and ideas from before just making an account and expecting us to help you start a business out of the goodness of our hearts.
    I think its rude to say that I am trying to pump info and ideas from the community. Its like I am trying to scam or rob girls here.

    I'm simply a girl in the cam industry who like many others is fed up with how the top cam sites treat us. Just take a look around this forum and others to see what girls think! I want to try and do something better for myself and all the girls out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Procrasturbator View Post
    Wait, are you seriously complaining about SM sometimes (very very rarely, if the model is incredibly lucky) allowing studio models to work directly with SM, or hop to a studio that gives them more options instead of sucking their earnings like a parasite? Really?
    The issue is the way the system is setup. A Russian model should make an equal amount to what an American girl gets.

    But, the studios serve a purpose. Their earnings should be protected as well. They referral the girls and many of them provide them with computers, webcams and hell even a place to work!

    What I am looking for and suggesting is a better solution to the whole scheme of things.

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    I don't understand what everyones problem is. I am trying to work here to get a better solution for all of us!

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    We don't know you at all. People come onto the forums expecting like we owe them something or use us for their own gain and give nothing back. We cannot expect different unless you show us you are different. Also, you say you are a cam girl, but none of us know you at all because you just joined up. We have no proof you really aren't a man just looking to profit off of us. Which is why I stated that you should participate in the community as a whole before presenting us with a way to help you with a business opportunity.

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    "Please give me your ideas/feedback/comments on what would be different for a cam site you would like to work on vs Stream/MFC/whatever other site out there."

    That is blatantly pumping us for information and ideas. To say otherwise is ludicrous. Also, you could find this information in past threads on topics like this just by using the search function. There was one just a few weeks ago on someone starting a new cam site and asking us these exact same questions and wanting the same information, which you would have known by being a part of the community first, rather than your first post being to hit us up for ideas for you.

    Here is an example of a thread on this exact topic: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...els-to-my-site
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    They make more than 10 to 15 percent. You forgot their tv channel that at last count had over 14,000 members.

    They are NOT obsessed with chargebacks at all and do allow big tippers. Each customer has a daily limit, so they can tip away til they reach that limit. They don't have tons of chargebacks because they have the daily limit in place. It's a smart idea.

    The only way you can leave a studio is if the studio doesnt pay the performers and it can be proven or if you are under a studio and haven't cammed at least six months. Then you can cam under another studio or go indy. Streamate DOES catch it if they sign up for another account. It's flagged by their SSN and legal name.

    You can disagree all you want but MFC will never run Streamate out of business. Cam sites never run other cam sites out of business, they usually ruin themselves by bad business practices.



    Quote Originally Posted by sophiawrightcam View Post
    I'll address your response point by point.


    - I NEVER said models were making 10 to 15 percent (although I have heard that some Russian studios only give their models that). I said Streamate when its all said and done is lucky to make 10 to 15 percent. Models get 35% or less if working for a studio.

    - I know Stream doesn't charge models for chargebacks. Again NEVER said that. I said they were obsessed with it because they don't allow big huge tips like MFC. The largest I have ever gotten was $450. The largest I have seen on stream was $500. I have had big spenders get their account shut down by stream customer support by asking to raise their limits. Thats what I was talking about.

    - Yes, they do not allow models to jump around. But it DOES happen. We have lost at least 20 models that way or them signing up for a separate account through Stream directly. They catch it sometimes but don't always really care.

    - Stream vs MFC... that's an opinion and I respectfully disagree but I welcome your opinion of course.

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    I say go for it. Sometimes you can't tell people how much you bring in, everyone won't be happy for you. Just put it out there and take the risk, but make sure you can compete with these major sites. Im talking about graphics, streaming, tech support, and beyond. Make a plan and then promote. I think the better question is what is missing from the sites out now and what suggestions could be given for an ideal site. What would your site offer that others don't? think about these things and dont wait for excitement or approval, just make it happen and work toward that success.
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    Many many have tried but nearly all new sites fail for the lack of two things - paying traffic and a reliable payment processor.

    Have you looked into getting an adult merchant account? Pretty much impossible without stellar credit, and even then if your chargeback rate goes above a certain percent, boom, you're out of business.

    Where will you get traffic?

    Not saying it's impossible, but it's pretty close to impossible without millions of dollars to back you up.


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    Quit while you're ahead. It won't work! You do not have the power to compete with SM, MFC, LJ, or even AW, and on that basis you will be unable to attract any paying traffic, and girls will not sign up to work for you. You will waste your time and money.

    Now if you were to research the kinds of SERVICES that cam girls could benefit from such as payment processors, advertising portals, ppm streaming software, splitcamming software, accounting, record keeping etc, you would stand a better chance as these areas are under-represented.
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    There's really no solution to this. These mega sites aren't going to listen to random people. Especially when majority of the models on there are happy, or they'd be working somewhere else.

    So what is the other opinion? Start your own cam site? In order for a cam site to be successful, you would need hundreds of thousands of dollars to make one successful in the long run. All the cam and clips sites that just pop up out of no where, have died off. The big ones (SM, MFC, etc) are backed by mega companies or backers that are worth millions of dollars.


    SM and MFC are 2 different beasts. I actually prefer MFC's platform and system, but it does not work well with fetish or femdom customers. I know this because I acted like a dumb slut there and made money. Then I switched into fetish and femdom and my room became tumbleweeds. All of MFC's traffic is vanilla.

    Majority of SM's traffic IMO is fetish. I prefer fetish, so I stick with SM even though I like MFC's platform and site model better.

    Other differences: Asian models do really well on MFC and black models do really poorly on MFC. I don't know why either of those happen, but they do. MFC is countdown-oriented, and SM is back-to-back privates oriented. You can adjust your rates on SM but not on MFC. MFC has mandatory free chat, and SM you can use the external button for paysite broadcasting. I could really go on forever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexysusie View Post
    Now if you were to research the kinds of SERVICES that cam girls could benefit from such as payment processors, advertising portals, ppm streaming software, splitcamming software, accounting, record keeping etc, you would stand a better chance as these areas are under-represented.
    Those are goldmines waiting to happen.

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    as an affiliate site, we've seen so many cam sites come and go, that we don't even bother promoting one that has less than 100 performers on at any given time. Less than that and its almost a certainty that site will fail within the next few years. It's a catch 22- a site needs to have a lot of traffic and many performers simultaneously. Either of these is difficult to achieve, but on top of that, a site cannot succeed by having one, but not the other. Which is why so many sites launched with huge budgets over the years (homecams.com, freecamstars.com, privatecamz.com, etc) have just pointed their site to show streamate.com. It just makes more sense to promote a site which already has everything it needs to succeed.

    so my advise- don't bother. Between trying to compete against big sites vying for traffic, paying out performers, controlling chargebacks and fraud, you'll go broke in no time.

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    btw, streamate is a billion dollar company. most don't seem to realize it here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexysusie View Post
    Now if you were to research the kinds of SERVICES that cam girls could benefit from such as payment processors, advertising portals, ppm streaming software, splitcamming software, accounting, record keeping etc, you would stand a better chance as these areas are under-represented.
    This this this!

    For instance, if you launched a reliable payment processor that was easy for customers to use and took 10% or less... Shit, everyone would use it. Still can't believe no one's properly filled that need yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophiawrightcam View Post
    I'm simply a girl in the cam industry who like many others is fed up with how the top cam sites treat us. Just take a look around this forum and others to see what girls think! I want to try and do something better for myself and all the girls out there.
    There is always the Indy option for those who don't want to deal with the big box sites at all.

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    My feedback. Firstly, please understand that sites like SM make more than 10-15% of our earnings. They are a multi-million dollar cam site (possibly billion). Advertising isn't as costly as you think considering they just replicate one site. They also record our sessions and offer a monthly subscription, and they make money off of cable subscriptions. Once you have a marketing system going with one site that works, it's easy to then use the same marketing system for the others. Also white labels practically take care of a lot of their marketing for them so they can sit back and take some of that money as well. 35% is shitty. I don't care how much traffic one gets, models should always have the upper percentage. Unfortunately, we take what we can get, so we can eat and models are okay with that. And I think this is where you're going to run into trouble.

    I'm going to be honest with you. I don't think you and hubby can run a successful cam site on $150k a year. Is this your ONLY income? If you can take out loans, or write up a cool business plan and get capitol, that might work but I think you'd be doing yourselves more harm by piling up unnecessary debt. We see this happen quite often. Someone coming here saying how they can make it for the models, make something "so much better", etc we've all heard it before. Personally, I would worry about you and yours only but that's just me.

    It's fun to sit around and brainstorm and all that but RARELY does one act on it so to me, this would be a waste of a model's time. Had you and hubby already launched, or at least would be close to launching, I would consider this legit, but this is all too familiar. I've seen quite a few girls come on here (one who was banned) asking our advice on what we want, and she never followed up. I would search the forum and see what ideas those girls left to help you out a bit more. Business-wise, With $150k, you'll be less stressed and have a better ROI by doing a small start up IMHO.

    However, I like to be proven wrong. Love to see startups grow exponentially. And if you think that you can do it here's some more advice. Look closely and study your target market, figure out where they hang out, what they read, how old they are, what their fetishes are, how much they make, etc. Then, I would keep a very close eye on my competition. What is SM and MFC doing to stay on top? What's going to make guys want to spend money on YOUR site compared to others? Giving models more is great, but it's not going to keep you on TOP because as you know, models are okay with taking 20-40%. MFC already gives models 50%, but are they beating out the other sites? Not really, I just read a recent article that they aren't the TOP camsite out there. Their niche is that it's FREE to watch though which is a huge selling point, what will yours be?
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