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    Default Escort-client contact between appointments.

    Do you contact clients between appointments? If yes, how often do you contact and how do you use it to build client loyalty? If no, what're your reasons?

    Do you send messages just to say hello and that aren't booking-related? Do you find that maintaining contact with your clients between sessions improves their booking rate, or makes no difference?

    I've considered sending out a regular newsletter but haven't the foggiest what to write about.
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    nope = privacy issues for most

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    Default Re: Escort-client contact between appointments.

    ^^^ What Nikki said, most guys are married and don't want any contact. A few ladies offer options to join their mail list, sometime via their website, one I think does it via Yahoo groups. The key is giving the option to join and also to opt out. Mostly they just say dates and locations available, offering VIPs a heads up and chance to prebook... ...and typically include a photo, cause what guy won't at least look at a hot photo before deleting... ;-)
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    Nikki and CFMNH44,
    This makes sense, and normally I don't convo a client unless he initiates. I read something about sending out a newsletter to help build rapport but only sending it out to opt-in mailing list subscribers. So I have all these "subscribers" but apart from sending them my updated schedule I don't know what to do with them.
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    Default Re: Escort-client contact between appointments.

    From a client perspective:

    Some guys don't want any contact. Many providers think that this should be written as "most guys", but I'm convinced that isn't the case (at least among the kind of customer who post on customer boards. Feedback is very clear, in fact just within the past few months I saw a big thread on the topic, where providers came in to say their clients don't want contact, and clients came in to say that they DID want contact, and expressed doubt that the providers who assumed their clients didn't want contact ever asked! Interesting contrast in views). Nearly all of us have hobby phones and fake emails, so even if we have families, it's ok to contact. Your best bet is, as part of your routine, find out if he invites contact or not. I always tell providers I like, "okay to email or text anytime, day or night, you won't wake me up or get me in trouble".

    The guys who are ok with contact -- and again, I claim it's a higher % than most providers believe -- love personalized contact

    Personalized contact is not a newsletter -- that's impersonal. Everyone hates spam, especially from their provider. If the email is sent out as a blind Cc: list, we know you're spamming us. If you make contact, send it with a single name on the To: list, and there has to be some personalization. I realize this may be more work than you're interested in. On the other hand: for those guys who welcome contact, you would be SHOCKED how much loyalty and desire even a simple, "Hey, how's it going? How'd your presentation go? When are you coming to see me, I had so much fun last time when you did that thing with that thing" that comes out of the blue buys. Way more effective than a newsletter.
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    Default Re: Escort-client contact between appointments.

    I actually enjoy personalized contact, and I never send out bcc or mass emails. I hate getting those too, so I'm definitely not doing that to my clients. Thanks for the advice, it's good to hear from a client perspective. I'll now make it a point to ask each client if and how they prefer to be reached.

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    I send individualized emails..quite taxing, but it works for the "needy" ones. I've seemingly gained loyalty partly because of this. Several have said, "I know this isn't real-but you make me feel special!" . Aether, once you identify the clients that would appreciate contact-take the time to send notification. BEST

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    I send an email when I have something to say: new pics, I have an in-call now, etc. So, once every couple months, I guess? Whoever said upthread that guys want to see a hot pic is spot on. I have noticed that when I do an email, my bookings spike for a week or two after. And I get a lot of "Looking good, great to hear from you, I'll book in a week or two" emails, as well.

    I figure email is safe, since it's easy enough to hide an email account from a wife or SO. I do know a couple escorts who call (!), but since the majority of my clients are married, I wouldn't dream of it.
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    I never send out unsolicited email to respect the privacy of my clients.

    I do have a newsletter that guys can sign up for (and opt out of anytime as well) I try to send one monthly, but its more like quarterly lol Its a goofy as hell newsletter, but thats my personality and how they know me so it fits me. Basically, I put in info about where I plan to tour to, any changes to my website, any new offerings / packages Ive added, and then I always include something stupid and amusing, like a really bad joke or a brain teaser, and always always I include some new photos in my newsletter. It really does help with business....my bookings always go up after I send out my newsletter so its worth it.

    The other type of message I send out are updates to guys in a particular area that Im touring to their city, but I only send it out to guys on my mailing list. As a matter of fact, I do have some guys who are on my mailing list for tour updates, but do not want to get my newsletter mailing list. Im pretty flexible with making sure they only hear from me when they want to.
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    Thanks for the suggestions, ya'll are awesome!

    Athletic1,
    Funny you mention that, I have one who seems pretty emotionally hooked and emails a lot! I don't mind though, he's got top spot as my favorite client at the moment and I think I'm semi-in-love with him.

    Taylorgrrl,
    Cool, love the picture idea! I agree, and prefer email to phone or calling. I'd never call or text a client unless they initiate, too risky!

    Blksharpie,
    Those're great ideas for a newsletter and mailing list, thanks! And yes, more photos. Now I have to write one up.

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    Aether go with your gut..but the attention whores have maintained my bills and always take me on vacations. Granted my favorite is 78 with viagara that DOESNT work. However, you'll know who's worthy of personal emails. The needy are very accountable if things are slow. That way you keep an open line of communication.

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    Yup, just have something that fits your personality...Im always joking around and being silly (can you imagine? me doing such a thing?! ) so my newsletter is kind of like having a convo with me. Im pretty random. I know a lady who loves quotes, so she uses stuff like that in her newsletters, and Ive heard some ladies like talking about current news in the industry / share safetey tips and such as a service to her clients. Just...anything to make it informative / interesting and let them see a peek of you to remind them who you are and entice them to want to spend time with you.
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    Basic business

    If you could earn 10 percent more from the top half of your best clients it would give you 2 options

    Make more money[always good]

    ditch the bottom 10 percent of your customers
    repeat repeat.

    then you have better customers

    It is really just targeted advertising.

    I fire customers on a semi regular basis in my boring business.

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    Im just in a lol mood at the moment so bear with me!

    "If you could earn 10 percent more from the top half of your best clients it would give you 2 options

    Make more money[always good]"

    Thats only one option... Not sure what you mean by earn 10% more from the top half, charge 10% more? Get them to see you 10% more?
    Charge 10% more...bad business. Get them to see you 10% more...fine line between marketing and coming off looking desperate by asking customers for business.

    Unless by,

    "ditch the bottom 10 percent of your customers
    repeat repeat."

    Is the 2nd option you are giving. Which would mean to say, if you get 10% more from the upper half of the top grossing customers, to drop the bottom 10% of your lower grossing customers. That makes no sense really in this busines, since we have *a lot* of guys who see us sporadically. "You only saw me once in the last quarter, so you cant book with me again because I only want to see the guys who bring me the most earnings." ?

    "then you have better customers"

    ..or rather, less customers and a reputation for turning down dates for no valid reason, so guys will rather see someone who is less difficult to see! New and sporadic customers are a major part of our business. Well, at least for me its the main part of my business, while regulars are gold, not to be taken granted. While I do have regs, I still need the new and sporadic business to keep things moving along here.

    "It is really just targeted advertising.

    I fire customers on a semi regular basis in my boring business."

    Yeah, good idea to fire rude, disrespectful, annoying, boundary crossing customers...but makes no sense to fire / refuse a customer because doesnt / cant see you as much as you want him to. Thats throwing away money.

    The main thing really with advertising is to entice guys who have seen you before to see you again, and also to drum up new business in your target market. The only business to turn away are the guys who are jerks, def not just because they dont have the time / funds to see us more often. Gotta be good to all your customers who are decent guys, not only is that good business...you also never know who they may back channel with to bring you even more business.
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    ARGH! I hate when I do this...jsut realized you are a guy and not an escort.
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    I apologize for my lack of clarity, I was trying to make a business related comment without pretending I knew about your unique business.

    I was making the wild ass assumption that the increased customer contact would result in increased sales, not raising prices. If a customer sees you once a quarter and through increased contact and making him feel 'special' you can get an extra visit, you have increased sales from your existing customer base.

    If you are not in a position to grow your business, then you could 'fire' your least desirable clients[for whatever reason they are less desirable] , thus maintaining a similar income stream with a higher quality client base.

    If you do desire to grow your business, then you could reach out for new clients.

    It is one of those business things, many smart people assume that increased sales means 'get new customers' when frequently a very simple/profitable place to get more sales is from your existing customers

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    While you as an individual would feel special to have a lady increase contact with you, most guys do not. They want no strings and to be able to contact us when they want us, not the other way around. Thats the major benefit of an escort as opposed a girlfriend or having a woman on the side...they pay us to go and we leave them alone. Many guys don't even want to think about this aspect of their lives while going about their personal life and wouldn't appreciate the reminder.

    Like you said, its a wild assumption that increased customer contact would result in increased sales, on the contrary, not only is it an imposition, ladies who do that are usually seen as desperate and begging for business. So many guys have had bad experiences of ladies sending so many unsolicited text / email / even calling that just one unsolicited message would have them worry we are "one of those" and avoid us altogether.

    This is why we are discussing other methods to maintain exposure and keep us on the mind of our customers, should they wish to contact us.

    ps. Smart people don't assume anything....thats definitely not "one of those business things" to do that. Just like anyone running a business, we have to put a lot of thought and research into what works and what doesn't...this is our livelihood here.
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    Default Re: Escort-client contact between appointments.

    I am an erotic masseuse, not an escort but I think I can still reply to this thread.

    Personally I do not ask my clients for their numbers, e-mail address or give out my informations. In my experience, my high paying regulars do not ask for them either. The only time I get harassed for a way to be contacted outside of work is either by young students or really clingy clients.

    To clients who visited me often and kept asking for my number, I tried giving them a false number where they could text me but not call or anything. It's an iPhone app, there was no way they could retrace me or find out my real number, I just wanted to see how it would work. Wasn't much success, they would keep texting me to ask me out on dates, to ask questions like : do you work tonight, or on x day when they can clearly check out the website for my schedule. It was just so they could talk to me... One of my really annoying client would text me every single day random stuff like: have a great day, it is cloudy outside but in my heart it is sunny when I think of you.... I would reply at first but after awhile I just couldn't take it anymore.

    It cost me time, energy and I wasn't rewarded or tipped for texting them from time to time either. Those were clients who came often but never tipped, after I tried keeping in touch with them, they did not become more generous either lol. Now, I do not give out my number to no one, I already have a social life and school to take care of, it's more than enough.

    I did not see any change in my income, those annoying clients would still come visit me even after I stopped replying to their text messages. They also miss you more that way.

    I know some girls who would text their clients to come visit them when it's slow but it's not for me. I'd rather study, read and do everything else but contacting a client...

    The newsletter idea is great though!! I haven't thought of it, especially when you have pictures from a new photoshoot or to offer some special rates (I know a girl who's very popular and she would give 50% off on the 10th visit for example, since she charges a relatively high price).

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    You bring up a really good point...with all the other things we need to do for our biz, on top of having a personal life of our own, its just not good use of time to sit and conversate with the guys. If they want our time, they should be paying for it! Cause its just like you say, the ones who like to keep in touch a lot between dates usually aren't the ones booking all the time. They just want a pen pal, and a way to get out companionship without having to actually spend money on us. Blah that! Very annoying indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aether View Post
    Do you contact clients between appointments? If yes, how often do you contact and how do you use it to build client loyalty? If no, what're your reasons?

    Do you send messages just to say hello and that aren't booking-related? Do you find that maintaining contact with your clients between sessions improves their booking rate, or makes no difference?

    I've considered sending out a regular newsletter but haven't the foggiest what to write about.

    Nope!

    Even my top 3 favorite regulars get only minimal text messages. They don't text me much either. If they did, they would get demoted.

    I build loyalty by:
    - Looking exactly like my "glammed up" advertising photos *every time*
    - Making them feel appreciated *every time*
    - Having fun with them and fucking them as if I lust for them daily *every time*
    - No bullshit and No drama *every time*

    I don't have off days (that my clients see). On the rare occasion that I can't push myself give at least 90% for some reason, I offer a discount to reschedule.

    Most guys aren't completely stupid. Deep down, they know you're fishing for an appointment whenever you initiate contact. Only the most delusional & Captain Save-A-Ho idiots truly think you're contacting them for any other reason. Sure, they may play the game and maybe they book an appointment, but they know.

    I don't want clients to book because I sent some bullshit email to say hello or ask how their trip to the Grand Canyon was. I want clients to return because they can't get their experience with me out of their mind.

    The more chatty (non appointment booking) emails you send to clients, the more chatty (non appointment booking) emails you will GET. Think of all the time you have to then spend responding to all that (non appointment booking) crap. It sets expectations in your client's mind that you're open to chit-chatting instead of appointments. They get used to getting your TIME and ATTENTION for FREEEEEEEE. Multiply all that chat-chat by the number of clients you have, plus add every NEW client you get and multiply again. Eventually you're spending too much of your time on that crap because you have made your clients expect it. You can't stop responding because then you'll alienate them. It's better to not create those communication expectations in the first place. Don't create clingers. The more you give, the more they will expect.

    Guess what? While you're spending all this FREE time emailing them, I promise you, they are booking as many (or more) appointments with other ladies who don't give two shits about how his vacation was (but she fucks his brains out).

    I'll rock their world during our time together, but I don't have time for all of that client chit chat in my regular life.

    If you want to stay on your clients' minds, send out newsletters or create a public blog (based on your work persona, not your real life). Make sure it's sexy and interesting and update it regularly.
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    It depends on the preset boundaries. I have phone sex customers that I will send flirty text to entice them to call via google voice. You know just to see what happens. Some have said please don't do that and got paranoid never to call me again. But many of them liked it and still call to this day. But when I started taken dates I thought immediately "I probably shouldn't do that?" Discretion is paramount and blah blah blah It's really best to set this up in the beginning. Make it apart of your customer service routine. Follow up questions. I find that what I learned doing customer service and working the phones works with live dates. I've only had one guy tell me it wasn't okay to send him a text but he appreciated me asking before I did it. But of course keep it to a minimum. Make em want you. Just get clearance first. If not send it to the email they used for screening.

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    Obenta, PhatGirl, XStacey,
    Great points on maintaining some distance. I'm so glad you reminded me that being "too nice" and "too available" can actually work against you. This one client has taken to emailing 3-5 times a day every single day since I last saw him 2 weeks ago. As much as I like him it's time to pull back. He'll have more attention when he books another appointment!

    Oldster,
    Thanks for the input, I guess that's related to the idea that upping biz from existing clientele is easier and more cost-effective than constantly chasing new biz?

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    Thanks for the wake-up call!

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    I build loyalty by:
    - Looking exactly like my "glammed up" advertising photos *every time*
    - Making them feel appreciated *every time*
    - Having fun with them and fucking them as if I lust for them daily *every time*
    - No bullshit and No drama *every time*

    The more chatty (non appointment booking) emails you send to clients, the more chatty (non appointment booking) emails you will GET ... It sets expectations in your client's mind that you're open to chit-chatting instead of appointments. They get used to getting your TIME and ATTENTION for FREEEEEEEE. ... It's better to not create those communication expectations in the first place. Don't create clingers. The more you give, the more they will expect.

    If you want to stay on your clients' minds, send out newsletters or create a public blog (based on your work persona, not your real life). Make sure it's sexy and interesting and update it regularly.

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