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    I've been dancing almost 10 years, and in the last year sh!t has gotten BAD, not only $ wise compared to 04-07 but in general, I cant do a $20 dance anymore without a customer thinking its OKAY to grope my tits, really...WTF??? this is getting ridiculous, I dont even feel like im a dancer anymore rather than a freaking babysitter. I should be able to DANCE for one song, without having to fight off every single guys hands that i dance for, COME ON, ladies have some balls and start telling the customers "HEY! if you want to touch lets take it to VIP" im guessing this has gotten so bad lately cause girls are so hard up they are allowing this MORE and more, so how bout we start enforcing a little more, so we can all be happier dancers!!!!

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    yup, welcome to the new strip club world/new economy. it sucks!!!

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    I had to slap a guy in the face last night (on stage) for grabbing my crotch. Ugh, I don't see why they think this is okay

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    OMG thats horrible! good for you!!! id have kicked him in the face!!!

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    I had to slap a guy in the face last night (on stage) for grabbing my crotch. Ugh, I don't see why they think this is okay

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    The club I'm at is just as bad with the demand of extras and lack of respect... plus half the customers come in to 'have a drink', no tipping, no VIP, and then leave (oh and half watch the music videos or a football game on the teles with their backs to the stage). I wonder sometimes if I am a dancer or a naked girl in a bar...

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    Lazy or desperate girls, scummy cheapass customers & scummy club mgmt. Can't tell you how many times I've slapped customers or kicked them in the face for grabbing me inappropriately or smacking my ass hard enough to leave bruises - then mgmt taking me into the office to lecture me for being a liability. Mileage has varied as far as them kicking the offending customers out.

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    This is what I'm worried about seeing as how I only now just want to begin my club career.. and this is what I've heard. That the expectations have gone up and the money gone down. :S But I'm in Ontario, Canada, Niagara Falls area so I don't know how different it is from the States and I haven't been to check it out myself yet but.. here's hoping.

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    yup, welcome to the new strip club world/new economy. it sucks!!!
    Indeed ! This 'downward evolution' arguably started back in 2001 as both the result of the post 9/11 economic downturn plus increasing availability of adult internet content. It got much worse around 2008 as the result of major reductions in customer 'discretionary spending' budgets as well as an influx of new ''''dancers'''' whose primary objective was instant income ... sometimes by whatever means necessary. It was at this point that I personally decided to retire from live dancing, as the strip club 'show business' model clearly mutated into a 'sex business' model.

    Arguably 2013 has brought yet another round of major reductions in customer 'discretionary spending' budgets, as well as the widespread adoption of new 'technologies' by club customers to achieve maximum 'bang' for their minimal bucks, i.e. being able to determine via strip club review sites, by strip club blogs etc. which ''''dancers'''' are willing to provide maximum 'bang' for the customers' buck, versus which dancers are not.

    Clubowners that find themselves increasingly hard pressed to turn a profit after paying higher property taxes, higher utility bills, higher insurance premiums etc. may make the situation even worse by tacitly or blatantly encouraging ''''dancers'''' to offer 'extras', from which the clubowner directly or indirectly earns a 'cut'. As was mentioned above, in a few instances this has now progressed to the point where some clubowners view clean dancers as a 'liability', since their failure to attract customer 'extras' money ( thus a 'cut' for the clubowner ) represents de-facto lost income for the clubowner versus replacing the clean dancer with another ''''dancer'''' who is willing to provide customers the 'bang' they are now expecting in exchange for their bucks.
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    ^ It makes me think I should eliminate my reviews in club chat, why send customers in the direction of clubs that support extras.
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    ^^^ In the grand scheme of things, SW's club chat / reviews don't offer the detailed information that today's 'bang' for their buck club customers are looking for. I was referring to strip club review site customer comments, strip club customer blog posting, etc. that more or less blatantly state that dancer X offers this or that 'service' while dancer Y is a 'R.O.B.' 10 years ago, customers would wind up having to spend money to buy private dances from lots of different dancers in order to experimentally determine which girls offered high contact and which girls didn't. Today, customers who do a bit of research already know before they walk into the club which ''''dancers'''' offer high contact, and thus those customers have no reason whatsoever to spend money on other dancers who don't !!!

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    makes me wish sites like stripclublist.com and tuscl.com got shut down permanently. but then another would always pop up to take its place.

    it really has to start with the girls.

    STOP BEING LAZY ABOUT YOUR HUSTLE AND FUCKING THE CUSTOMERS.

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    I have only been dancing for a year.. I have found it pretty hard to make money in some cities/states unless there is an event.. The contact is out of this world in some cities & prices are way low.. I cant hate the girl who does does on the side that charges a high price..but seriously some customers are getting wayy to much & i have seen girls advertise cheap cheap on twitter.. 100$ an hour..wtff???? we had this customer at one of the clubs i worked & he would target new girls so he could take advantage of them.. the worst part is management knows what he is doing & they DONT CARE!!!.. matter of fact he is a vip so why would they care.. i will actually ask most customers if they are members of this club.. if they say yes.. i walk away.. they always looks so confused.. i have been to some clubs & customers would ask.. can i get a free dance?? when i say no they say well this girl would.. well good for that girl.. she must be trying to be broke..

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    It sucks, but this is becoming the norm. I work in Detroit, which is extrasville. I just found a 'clean' club (guys still try to grope you and they get away with it if you don't stop them), but at every other Detroit club I've worked at, the majority of the girls did extras (I'm talking bj and sex). A lot of the clubs are basically brothels. These are the same clubs where touching didn't even used to be allowed.

    When the economy went downhill, things changed. Girls started offering more for less. Some clubs started allowing it. Clubs lowered their hiring standards once they switched from paying the girls a wage to charging a house fee, because now the more girls they have the more money the club makes off them.

    I don't know if the industry will ever recover. I don't want to diss my age group, but there ARE a lot of young, dumb strippers who just became a stripper for the hell of it and only want to get wasted and party with their stripper friends at work; they're not serious about the job. I feel like these days, unless you're at a super high end / competitive club, you'll see so many girls who are simply trashy and don't take their job seriously. It's not a 'job' to them, it's a social experience. Girls at mid tier clubs used to have to look great, well put together, hair done, nice outfit... now this is ONLY the case for top tier clubs. Dancer quality has gone down to the point that girls do extras and let guys grope them because they don't know how to be strippers. They don't know how to entertain; they don't know how to engage customers in conversation; they don't know how to keep a guy in VIP for hours. Until clubs raise their standards, this will be the norm. Trashy girls who let guys have their way because they don't know any better. So now guys think it is OK, and the cycle continues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_ View Post
    ... I don't know if the industry will ever recover. I don't want to diss my age group, but there ARE a lot of young, dumb strippers who just became a stripper for the hell of it and only want to get wasted and party with their stripper friends at work; they're not serious about the job. I feel like these days, unless you're at a super high end / competitive club, you'll see so many girls who are simply trashy and don't take their job seriously. It's not a 'job' to them, it's a social experience. Girls at mid tier clubs used to have to look great, well put together, hair done, nice outfit... now this is ONLY the case for top tier clubs. Dancer quality has gone down to the point that girls do extras and let guys grope them because they don't know how to be strippers. They don't know how to entertain; they don't know how to engage customers in conversation; they don't know how to keep a guy in VIP for hours. Until clubs raise their standards, this will be the norm. Trashy girls who let guys have their way because they don't know any better. So now guys think it is OK, and the cycle continues.
    This is so true it's disgusting. I've heard more than one girl crying as she got dressed to leave after getting fired, things like 'But we're strippers! We're here to please the customers!' or 'He said he'd pay me like $200 to let him stick it in me, isn't that what you're supposed to do after you get naked?'

    Even had one 19-yr old who openly bragged abt how she'd recently come into $$$$ & didn't need to be doing this job, but she just wanted to piss off her parents. She was one of the dirtiest, dumbass-est girls I'd ever seen.

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    I've heard more than one girl crying as she got dressed to leave after getting fired, things like 'But we're strippers! We're here to please the customers!' or 'He said he'd pay me like $200 to let him stick it in me, isn't that what you're supposed to do after you get naked?'
    Actually, I'm somewhat relieved to hear this. In more than a few cases, the clubowner would be 'congratulating' the dirty dancer for earning more money for the club, with the clubowner also encouraging clean dancers to leave ( and stop being a 'liability' ) to make room for more dirty dancers !!!


    I don't know if the industry will ever recover
    If you're referring to a return to the 'good ol' days' when customers had lots of money to spend, when customers were content with low/no contact, when dancers were appreciated for their performing skills on the club's pole ( as opposed to the customer's 'pole' ), etc. ... not a chance.

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    In my city, you really can't do a legal dance or even a "clean" one and expect to make money nine nights out of ten. I have been dismissed by customers within 10 seconds of songs for not offering enough contact, and IMO, I begrudgingly offer medium-high contact dances. Groping and grinding is the baseline norm here, but now I have guys bitching if I don't immediately rip off my clothes and shove my crotch in their faces. I haven't been into work for two weeks because I flipped shit on someone who kissed me when I leaned in for his name and he then refused to tip me when I became angry--and my manager didn't give a fuck. I redirect hands, I ask them not to touch my nipples, I dance farther away, I get the manager--it all comes down to me walking away with $86 after working for 7 hours because other girls are fucking in plain view within fifteen feet from the main stage. It's insane. I have met fewer than five normal-minded girls in clubs. Most of them think I am ridiculous for not drinking, getting high, or fucking customers. They truly think that being a discount prostitute is the job description, and it's all good as long as the guy is buying them shots.

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    Ugh, you know I read this stuff, & wonder if it's worthwhile for me to go back..


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    I hear ya, Ive been getting that more often too guys trying to "haggle" im like "does this look like a flea market???" i had a customer who CALLED me over and obviously wanted a dance so when i bring it up he says "ok but i want 2 dances for $20" i said "no, i dont cut deals", and he says "well she did it for my friend" and pointed to the girl across the table and me being in stripper mode said "I'm not her, I make $$$ therefore I dont have to cut deals" and i got up to walk away and his friend grabbed me and said "fine heres $20 dance for him" and by sticking to my guns i actually got 2 dances for the proper amount, so it pays off to be direct with them and stand your ground! i guess for now we let the cheap whores be cheap and we continue to fight the battle and make more $ in the end by not dealing with their cheap demands!

    Quote Originally Posted by AubreyDallas View Post
    I have only been dancing for a year.. I have found it pretty hard to make money in some cities/states unless there is an event.. The contact is out of this world in some cities & prices are way low.. I cant hate the girl who does does on the side that charges a high price..but seriously some customers are getting wayy to much & i have seen girls advertise cheap cheap on twitter.. 100$ an hour..wtff???? we had this customer at one of the clubs i worked & he would target new girls so he could take advantage of them.. the worst part is management knows what he is doing & they DONT CARE!!!.. matter of fact he is a vip so why would they care.. i will actually ask most customers if they are members of this club.. if they say yes.. i walk away.. they always looks so confused.. i have been to some clubs & customers would ask.. can i get a free dance?? when i say no they say well this girl would.. well good for that girl.. she must be trying to be broke..

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    As it's been stated in other threads, so many girls are only considering the short term, the $$ they might be able to make tonite. Idk abt others (been drinking & feeling quite goofy right now) but I can see the appeal of relatively quick $$ esp if a girl is feeling desperate. My little boy died this past spring, he was being cared for by my parents who didn't tell me just how badly his health was deteriorating, & I've wondered more than once (stone cold sober) just what lines I would have crossed, had I known the full picture, to get him the care he needed.

    I guess this is just a Devil's Advocate post, like I said, a bit drunk right now ... But I guess my point is that yes, I can see what might make a girl reconsider her boundaries, but overall, the girls who just think 'Hey, I can make $XXX right now' they don't consider the long-term effects of their giving-in. Of course this is just referring to the girls who had any boundaries to begin w/, or any sense of what it means to be a stripper rather than a prostitute.

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    I should not have read this thread while trying to drink myself to sleep.

    Just deleted what might have been a good rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    As it's been stated in other threads, so many girls are only considering the short term, the $$ they might be able to make tonite. Idk abt others (been drinking & feeling quite goofy right now) but I can see the appeal of relatively quick $$ esp if a girl is feeling desperate. My little boy died this past spring, he was being cared for by my parents who didn't tell me just how badly his health was deteriorating, & I've wondered more than once (stone cold sober) just what lines I would have crossed, had I known the full picture, to get him the care he needed.

    I guess this is just a Devil's Advocate post, like I said, a bit drunk right now ... But I guess my point is that yes, I can see what might make a girl reconsider her boundaries, but overall, the girls who just think 'Hey, I can make $XXX right now' they don't consider the long-term effects of their giving-in. Of course this is just referring to the girls who had any boundaries to begin w/, or any sense of what it means to be a stripper rather than a prostitute.
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    No we're not going to recover. This industry is dying a slow death. Go in, make your money and always have an exit plan. We are going to crash the same way the Roman empire did.
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    Great. So what's everyone's exit plan?

    I shouldn't have read this either. Sometimes I worry that my exit plan needs an exit plan. :/

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    Great. So what's everyone's exit plan?
    Although I'm not sure that this is still possible given deteriorating strip club conditions, I can relate my own 'successful' exit plan.

    A - travel to cities / clubs where the money is, as opposed to sticking around where the money isn't. Like professional athletes, dancers have a comparatively short 'window of opportunity' for maximum earnings, thus dancers can't afford to squander that 'window' working for $100 a night !!!

    B - adopt a work ethic that rates dancing as a 'full time job'. In my own case, this translated into working a week in three consecutive different cities, followed by returning home the fourth week to catch up on 'personal' stuff

    C - adopt a financial discipline that avoids ( most ) luxury purchases, that minimizes expenses, that avoids borrowing money ( i.e. avoids 'wasting' money on interest payments ), that avoids 'paying for' a fancy lifestyle.

    D - save, save, save ... and later invest, invest, invest

    After following these guidelines for ~10 years, I managed to save enough money ... and to earn enough additional money via my investments ... to be able to completely retire ... from everything ... before hitting age 40.


    Idk abt others (been drinking & feeling quite goofy right now) but I can see the appeal of relatively quick $$ esp if a girl is feeling desperate. My little boy died this past spring, he was being cared for by my parents who didn't tell me just how badly his health was deteriorating, & I've wondered more than once (stone cold sober) just what lines I would have crossed, had I known the full picture, to get him the care he needed.

    I guess this is just a Devil's Advocate post, like I said, a bit drunk right now ... But I guess my point is that yes, I can see what might make a girl reconsider her boundaries, but overall, the girls who just think 'Hey, I can make $XXX right now' they don't consider the long-term effects of their giving-in. Of course this is just referring to the girls who had any boundaries to begin w/, or any sense of what it means to be a stripper rather than a prostitute.
    I'm SO sorry to hear about your child !!! And yes as a mom myself I can completely understand that, in some 'extreme' cases, dancers actually NEED to do whatever is necessary to earn X amount of money in Y amount of time for a critically important purpose. But in truth, where 99% of all dancers are concerned, this isn't the case. Arguably, where at least 50% of dancers are concerned ( overall dancers not SW dancers ), girls decide to provide 'bang for the quick buck' because A. it requires far less 'work' on their part , B. it requires far less talent / skill on their part, C. their 'long term' planning horizon is this month's rent payment, or D. their personality is such that they would be giving BJ's anyhow and might as well get paid at the same time.

    This is the reason that I question whether or not my own 'exit plan' is still viable given the conditions prevalent in many strip clubs today.
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    The industry does suck now, and it's downward spiraling, but ladies - we CAN still make money without succumbing to extras! Like Melonie mentioned, traveling to cities where money is good is a key way to still bank in this industry. I think the majority of us have cities that are close enough to at least travel to on the weekends and make money.

    Accumulating a consistent clientele is KEY in this industry, especially with extras/mileage so rampant. I have a few big spenders who come in and in the last couple months my income has solely been from them because I make at least 1K a night off each one. They know I don't do extras so I don't have to deal with the groping and all that bullshit from other guys!
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