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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    yeah but you weren't in most of your snapshots, it's not fair to give you hourly money if you are away from the camera for most of time. yeah other people are breaking the rules but two wrong's don't make a right.

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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    Holy fuck. I don't get any bonus at all despite having emailed the appropriate people (someone Kim told me to) about it. Consider yourself lucky you got it at all.

    Not only is it called a "new model" bonus (which shows it has an expiry anyway), all bonuses tend to have some rules to ensure people don't just play milking it, it doesn't make any sense that you get a bonus for not even working the site if you aren't even present in view. All that requires is turning your camera on, and then fucking off somewhere else! That's like expecting a bonus for working a sales job, turning up in your uniform, then leaving, still expecting a bonus.

    And where does it say you need to do all of this stuff for $1 as part of the new model bonus!? I know the cam4 hustle is a tough as fuck nut to crack, but wanting to be paid for nothing doesn't make you any better than the very performers you're complaining about doing "everything" for $1. And you're talking about "unfair"? What you're expecting is extremely unfair.

    Honestly, from the perspective of this cam4 model who tries to make money from that site without giving away free shit, setting ridiculously low targets OR being part of the new model bonus, it's pretty infuriating that you're frustrated you aren't getting paid for not even working at all!


    If you hate the way the site is run, do what I do when it pisses me off: Try another site.

    Expecting free "bonuses" for not doing anything is - if I may say so - fucking ridiculous.
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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    It's admittedly difficult to understand you. If you actually WERE in the view of your cam then I understand your frustration, take back and apologize for my previous post. But still, this...?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0TaraM View Post
    I poo just for 2 dollars to my floor and masturbation and pee to my floor JUST FOR 1 DOLLAR. JUST ONE DOLLAR (OR 0 DOLLAR)FOR ONLINE IN 10 HOURS and answering their stupid free shit questions.
    Why are you still working this site?




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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    Quote Originally Posted by Incantatious View Post
    Why are you still working this site?
    yeah ... of u havent made anything in 10 hours when ur there why r u there still ? just to get the 10$ an hour thing? are u that desperate for cash? do u normally make nothing in 10 hours on cam 4 ? u need to change the site u work on or change ur hustle fix ur look/makeup/wigs redo ur cam space. something or somethings are not working for u. figure it out if u wanna last in this biz. dont rely on that 10$ hour thing to get u buy its only good for the first 100 hours anyway if ur there for 10 hours a day in a week and a half the promo will dried up then what r u doing to do?
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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    Ya it sounds like you didn't really try..
    I started working on cam4 because they offered me the $10/ hr deal for the first 1000 hours. Perhaps they felt because you were not setting goals, or engaging your audience and also sitting in front of your cam for 10 hours despite not making any actual tips yourself that you were exploiting their kindness. After all, they ARE paying you.
    I didn't have any problems. After the first two weeks of slooow borrinng it picked up a lot. I still cam on cam4 part time because I used the time I was making $10/hr to get to know the audience and the site which was of great benefit to me.
    If they have screenshot proof that you were off your cam for long periods of time [ like more than 10-15 mins] I could easily see that was grounds to remove you from it. That being said, perhaps they should have specified that rather than assuming you would understand that you were on their dime.
    I think the whole point was to give new models that buffer. I certainly wouldn't have wasted my time on cam4 for tthe first week if I wasn't being paid to.

    I also disagree that they expect you to get naked or that you should be angry due to other models doing what you think is worse. Those other models weren't being paid a $10/hr rate. I didn't do anything but chat and look cute the first week. I made one topless goal the second. But I engaged my audience and took advantage of the fact that it wasn't just a waste of time. I laid down the rules for my room because I didn't have to worry about room count or answering questions one should tip for. Gave me time to understand the site and build a following. Obviously they saw that [so I couldn't be your nudity or non nudity since that didn't seem to get me into any trouble]
    Like, literally I made NOTHING but the hourly wage the first week. [shrug] sorry for your luck. Hopefully next time you get an opportunity to have an advantage you'll seize it rather than squandering it =D

    And any other ladies who get offered this new model deal?
    Take advantage of it. Cam4 is goddamned COLD when you're a new model! Take the time to find out what kind of goals do and don't work, and what kind of pervs you're dealing it =)
    Worked great for me

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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    I'm happily building up a client base - as a non-nude femdom cammer and the guys are very receptive to it.

    OP, were you actually visible on cam - and I include visible to mean just your legs or feet? Were you interacting with your room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitteryGoddess View Post
    I'm happily building up a client base - as a non-nude femdom cammer and the guys are very receptive to it.

    OP, were you actually visible on cam - and I include visible to mean just your legs or feet? Were you interacting with your room?
    i second this i had an issue on imlive a few weeks back my whole body was visible on cam but i was ignoring EVERYONE untill i get pvt and i got my room shut down and warned i needed to be attentive in my room and talk to them. so i was only talking to the guys with money in their account and that still wasn't good enuf for them they closed out my room again and banned me for a week. now i just sit there and block everyone with no money and that seems to be working out oddly enuf . im not saying do that on cam 4 tho .

    basically some cam sites want to see u putting in the effort to make something happen for urself i guess. because while ur not making money ur still using their resources (bandwidth and whatnot)
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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    i second this i had an issue on imlive a few weeks back my whole body was visible on cam but i was ignoring EVERYONE untill i get pvt and i got my room shut down and warned i needed to be attentive in my room and talk to them. so i was only talking to the guys with money in their account and that still wasn't good enuf for them they closed out my room again and banned me for a week.
    I don't get this. Of course, I don't cam on IMLive, but don't they realize that for some girls, ignoring their room is their hustle and it works really well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinja View Post
    I don't get this. Of course, I don't cam on IMLive, but don't they realize that for some girls, ignoring their room is their hustle and it works really well?
    im live caters to non English models and customers their culture is more towards being friendly and outgoing i noticed a lot of the top models on that site are ethic looking and pretty much throw a 3 ring circus in free chat.
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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    Of course not. I ban anyone who begs on site altho I say hi to everyone who comes in. It sounds like in that case that your absence on cam for extended periods added to the fact that you were having trouble reaching goals made cam4 change their mind. You don't have to do anything youd on't want to, but it does say in the hourly pay email promo I got that I am required to be on cam and visible while I am being paid the $10/hr. I turned off my cam if I was getting up for more than a bathroom break.

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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    also at the point when you have that many users, no it's impossible to talk to them all. Thats when you talk to th eones you know/ have tipped/ keep the conversation interesting and assign a mod or two to dealwith the rest. If you were talking to everyone and had a goal then it was definitley the extended period of time off cam that chaanged their minds. That being said you can still work on cam4.
    Tips for cam4: its slow. People take a while to start tipping cos they want to get to know you
    2. a lot of europeans. If you talk fast or have a strong american accent it might be wise to speak slowly and to type when you can.
    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    im live caters to non English models and customers their culture is more towards being friendly and outgoing i noticed a lot of the top models on that site are ethic looking and pretty much throw a 3 ring circus in free chat.
    That's why I rarely turn on free chat. I think the guys can be a pain.
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    lol I don't mind. I got used to it. I realized that cam4 tokens are relatively NEW so you have to either be understanding and ignore the beggers, letting them know that you require tokens for requests, or just outright silence/ban. I like to think of the cam4 people as a whole as just stubborn. After all, everyone used to just do it for free on cam4. Suddenly being expected to pay to see is a bit confusing if you've been on the site for a long time. It will get better over time once people adjust or decide they don't want to hang around a token site!
    You have to have lots of confidence in yourself there too. For those same reasons. After all, in the custies mind why would he pay you when he used to get it for free from the whole site? It's slowly getting better as beggers realize they have to pay and those who don't want to just abandon the site altogether.

    I feel that cam4 is an open site thats in the process of really growing. Being on a cusp where people reember when it was free but not are expected to buy tokens makes for a bit of a shakey cam show. But I think the opportunity for untapped market is HUGE. There are days I make TONS on cam4. And there seems to be a lack of fun creative outgoing models there too. It has a very oldschool sit and wait for privates/tips feel to it that is slowly changing. Also, with the advent of private shows on cam4 we can hope that the skype show beggers will finally die off! That's another fault of the site change. Before you could only take a girl private if you pre tipped and got a password show OR if you ddi it skype styles, which most custies prefer and act like you're a freak if you don't. I personally think accepting skype shows on cam4 is a waste of time cos the guys are so used to cheap and free that they rarely go through with my prices anyways. Turns into just a waste of pm time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by o0Pepper0o View Post
    lol I don't mind. I got used to it. I realized that cam4 tokens are relatively NEW so you have to either be understanding and ignore the beggers, letting them know that you require tokens for requests, or just outright silence/ban. I like to think of the cam4 people as a whole as just stubborn. After all, everyone used to just do it for free on cam4. Suddenly being expected to pay to see is a bit confusing if you've been on the site for a long time. It will get better over time once people adjust or decide they don't want to hang around a token site!
    You have to have lots of confidence in yourself there too. For those same reasons. After all, in the custies mind why would he pay you when he used to get it for free from the whole site? It's slowly getting better as beggers realize they have to pay and those who don't want to just abandon the site altogether.

    I feel that cam4 is an open site thats in the process of really growing. Being on a cusp where people reember when it was free but not are expected to buy tokens makes for a bit of a shakey cam show. But I think the opportunity for untapped market is HUGE. There are days I make TONS on cam4. And there seems to be a lack of fun creative outgoing models there too. It has a very oldschool sit and wait for privates/tips feel to it that is slowly changing. Also, with the advent of private shows on cam4 we can hope that the skype show beggers will finally die off! That's another fault of the site change. Before you could only take a girl private if you pre tipped and got a password show OR if you ddi it skype styles, which most custies prefer and act like you're a freak if you don't. I personally think accepting skype shows on cam4 is a waste of time cos the guys are so used to cheap and free that they rarely go through with my prices anyways. Turns into just a waste of pm time.
    Wow. Awesome post!

    It's so encouraging to hear you get such great days on there! If I may be so forward as to ask, would you mind sharing your earnings? Don't worry if that's way too forward - I totally respect your privacy. I'm just curious as I could really do with some cam4 motivation!




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    Is there a way to make your room private and charge tokens to enter, sort of like a voyeur show?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rina View Post
    Is there a way to make your room private and charge tokens to enter, sort of like a voyeur show?
    no its either free chat or u go into classic mode witch turns the 'free chat' into a text only room in a way then the only way they can see ur cam is to pay per minute credits are only available to be obtained in private/pay per minute mode
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    Default Re: Cam4 Removed my hour bonuses, very unfair!w

    Why is your camera on the floor? If you are in a chair put your camera on a desk or something so it is level to you. I had no issues when they paid me the bonus money and I did all the 100 hours and still cam on there occasionally. If they see you aren't on camera a lot, they have the right to remove the per hour rate.

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    Wow. Awesome post!

    It's so encouraging to hear you get such great days on there! If I may be so forward as to ask, would you mind sharing your earnings? Don't worry if that's way too forward - I totally respect your privacy. I'm just curious as I could really do with some cam4 motivation!
    Its VERY hard to gague! Sometimes I have to work longer than I would like, other times I make my goal in an hour. On average though I try and make about $100-150 in under 3 hours.
    That's not to say anyone should just EXPECT that then get all discouraged. Some days I'm lucky to make $20. But like I said the $10/hr buffer zone for the first few months really gave me the advantage where I din't have to fret about making NOTHING at first. Cam4 is a bit...weird like that. Tippers don't tip at first. They want to know what you're about and lurk you for a bit.
    I would suggest if you want to try out cam4 to use it as a secondary cam site to whatever your main is. Use their schedule system and do 2-3 lil shows a week so if you don' mak $ the first little while it's not destorying you lol

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    0TaraM,

    I've reviewed your images and if I were in the market to buy a pair of high heels I would be fine but we're not here to showcase partial images of shoes and that's what your images overwhelmingly consisted of. I do see perhaps one or two screen caps where there is a bare bottom but that does not constitute camming or being paid a bonus so Adriana was correct in removing you. I'm sorry that you disagree with that but if we were to allow this then it would jeopardize the program and other models who participate with the hopes that they achieve success with their shows and the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0TaraM View Post
    i showed my naked vagina, my pee, poo or naked tits?.
    if u were showing ur feces and urine on cam just be thankful that u even have an account at all still and to stop doing it so u can still have ur account
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0TaraM View Post
    This is very wierd. Why there is no any snapshots when i showed my naked vagina, my pee, poo or naked tits? ....
    You should probably stop while you are ahead considering they are very clear in the terms and conditions that SCAT is NOT allowed. Also, I'm pretty sure no one forced you to show your snatch and ass in free chat for no tips. That was your own decision so getting angry that you weren't making money for doing these things is your own fault. There is money to be made on Cam4, but you can't just sit there and except it. You do have to work. Cam4 is gracious enough to offer a bonus, but I'm sure they are expecting you to pull your weight in trying to generate tips and privates at the same time.



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    Dang it, snowy beat me to the punch!

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    And oh, I just remembered, somebody (maybe "special" person?) trolled my room very rude and claimed that am I gonna selling shoes. Mmm. Thatīs very interesting.
    There is a ban option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0TaraM View Post
    So, tell me, why other model are allowing to do that? And by the way their goals selling good. So I donīt think itīs problem to this site, because the site is getting money popular goals.
    just because they do it doesn't mean its allowed and the site doesn't care eventually they will e found out and proper action taken against them/their account
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0TaraM View Post
    So, tell me, why other model are allowing to do that? And by the way their goals selling good. So I donīt think itīs problem to this site, because the site is getting money popular goals.
    Were their goals $1 too? If it's popular and other people are selling it, then, again, if you are going to do it, don't get pissed and yell about making only $1 from doing it! You set your own prices and your own limits. I have made plenty of money on cam4 doing nothing against the rules or outside of my own limits.



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