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    This question requires some setup so get comfortable:

    I'm a strip club junkie and enjoy watching camming on MFC. I am an admitted perv that shows my appreciation for good entertainment by being respectful and tipping as best I can.

    Watching cam, I'm impressed by the marketing creativity of many of the models. The revenue streams (e.g. phone numbers, panties, date raffles etc...) seem to be abundant. The successful models are always "on" both literally (actually camming) and engagement wise (e.g. always talking, always moving etc...).

    In the clubs, I see high earning hustlers making bank almost every night. Their characteristics are that they approach everyone; always provide great LD's and conversation; never spend much time in the DR. They provide great fun but never lose sight of why they are there. Once I get to know these dancers, the conversation often leads talk of early retirement or financial independence.

    Finally to my questions - Perhaps I am naive but for an attractive, smart young women willing to work hard and go all in, I perceive an opportunity for them to gain a great deal of wealth in short period of time (perhaps a few years). The type of wealth that provides financial freedom most only dream about.

    All it would take is the willingness to work extremely hard and to emulate the top earners both on cam and in the club. Point is, the opportunity is in entertainer's hands and not dependent on anyone else for success.

    For those working in the industry, do you share the same perception of opportunity?

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    Default Re: Perception of opportunity

    Speaking as a former dancer, I'd say a lot of variables affect our earnings apart from however hard we want to work. The club location, a dancer's look, her hustling skills, & the culture of a particular club -- not to mention the current snafu that is the economy & an increasing attitude by club mgrs of 'anything goes' in the interest of covering their own finances.

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    I've been a customer since the mid 80's and that has pretty much been my experience as far as separating the girls who earn well from the girls who don't. I think you are way over-estimating the opportunity for vast "short term" wealth but yes, girls who work hard and treat customers well can do very well for themselves. This is really nothing new however. Dancers know this stuff...
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    I am a hard worker and make money that many with master's degrees don't. It is putting me through school while allowing me to live in a nice apartment, have nice things, and extra time to focus on school and whatever else is important to me. Dancers with characteristics such as being a hard worker, top earner, responsible with their money, etc (which is true for many girls on here) will most likely be living a comfortable life and/or saving up for their future or something financially beneficial. Not sure what a short period of time is to you. Some women dance through school which will potentially give them a better quality of life with more time to focus on school and not having to worry about being a "broke college kid" or immensely in student debt after graduation. The are also top earning "career strippers" who make great money, work fairly often or at lucrative clubs, and can retire with ease in their 40s or whenever they feel secure. There is great potential in stripping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Mouse View Post

    In the clubs, I see high earning hustlers making bank almost every night. Their characteristics are that they approach everyone; always provide great LD's and conversation; never spend much time in the DR. They provide great fun but never lose sight of why they are there. Once I get to know these dancers, the conversation often leads talk of early retirement or financial independence.

    Finally to my questions - Perhaps I am naive but for an attractive, smart young women willing to work hard and go all in, I perceive an opportunity for them to gain a great deal of wealth in short period of time (perhaps a few years). The type of wealth that provides financial freedom most only dream about.

    All it would take is the willingness to work extremely hard and to emulate the top earners both on cam and in the club. Point is, the opportunity is in entertainer's hands and not dependent on anyone else for success.

    For those working in the industry, do you share the same perception of opportunity?

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    OP, there is a reason 'perception' rhymes with 'deception'. First of all how could you possibly know these hustlers are "high-earning" unless you are personally supplying their billfold? Do you assume because you see them in VIP? With multiple customers? Do they tell you that? How do any of those equate to high earnings? You can't possibly know this; also considering the entertainment and fantastical nature of the industry isn't some of this perhaps a smokescreen? I have come to find the majority of people erect some sort of ruse to supplement or mask their position at any given time.

    Also, different people have different arenas of opportunity based on genetically pre-disposed factors or even environmental factors. You may be willing to work hard and go all in at school, but be unable to handle an unstructured environment. Or the opposite may be true.

    Dancing while in school was actually detrimental to my natural rhythm because I tend to be an early-riser (think 5:30 AM) and like to go to bed at 9:30 or 10:00. If I stay up nights I get completely wound up and my mental clarity disintegrates. I need to take early morning classes and get things done early. Over a break or a summer semester where I am only taking one class, it can work, but I have tried to fight my natural tendencies many a time and I never seem to win. Also I am extremely hyper, so that makes focusing in a crowded place comparable to a one-legged duck making it across the pond.

    One person's "perception of opportunity" is another's Achilles heel.
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    Red, this is all one customer's opinions, so take it fwiw. I steered clear of this thread for the last few days to allow dancers to weigh in first, but this is what I've seen/observed over the last 15 years of hanging out in clubs...

    I do not disagree in principle, but I also believe that you are under-estimating what it takes to do very well in this industry. There is a reason that the top X% exists. IMHO not only do they have the looks and work ethic, but they are smart and mature enough to understand the men that they deal with; confident and energetic enough to put their looks and brains to good use; disciplined enough to avoid the normal dancing pitfalls (drugs, scum bag BFs, etc.); and tough enough not to get discouraged or messed up in the head by the things that they see and hear.

    Now add on to that the reality that the club and location do matter. A top earner in the corn fields of Kansas is not going to make nearly as much as the top earner in pretty much any Manhattan club, regardless of how skilled she is. Many of the seemingly successful dancers that I've met were migratory animals who moved to better areas to do this. The longer term ones also tended to switch clubs when they thought that they were becoming too stale in any one place. Unfortunately, some girls have life circumstances (kids, other family obligations, etc.) which limit their ability to pick up and move to better clubs and/or areas.

    Finally though, doing this job over any period of time seems to require enormous sacrifice. Very few dancers that I've gotten to know to any degree have been able to maintain healthy romantic relationships or even strong family connections while they were dancing, so loneliness becomes a real issue. They also have to be hardened to any judgmentalism (including self judgment) that they may face and many hide what they do. Net-net, dancing can be very isolating. I have seen more than a few otherwise skilled girls leave the industry during what could have been their peak earning years because they could not handle this aspect of the job.

    Net-net, while I agree that it is possible to do very well in this, IMHO if it were as easy as you seem to believe then there would be many more wealthy ex-dancers out there.

    Anyway, just my fwiw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Red, this is all one customer's opinions, so take it fwiw. I steered clear of this thread for the last few days to allow dancers to weigh in first, but this is what I've seen/observed over the last 15 years of hanging out in clubs...

    I do not disagree in principle, but I also believe that you are under-estimating what it takes to do very well in this industry. There is a reason that the top X% exists. IMHO not only do they have the looks and work ethic, but they are smart and mature enough to understand the men that they deal with; confident and energetic enough to put their looks and brains to good use; disciplined enough to avoid the normal dancing pitfalls (drugs, scum bag BFs, etc.); and tough enough not to get discouraged or messed up in the head by the things that they see and hear.

    Now add on to that the reality that the club and location do matter. A top earner in the corn fields of Kansas is not going to make nearly as much as the top earner in pretty much any Manhattan club, regardless of how skilled she is. Many of the seemingly successful dancers that I've met were migratory animals who moved to better areas to do this. The longer term ones also tended to switch clubs when they thought that they were becoming too stale in any one place. Unfortunately, some girls have life circumstances (kids, other family obligations, etc.) which limit their ability to pick up and move to better clubs and/or areas.

    Finally though, doing this job over any period of time seems to require enormous sacrifice. Very few dancers that I've gotten to know to any degree have been able to maintain healthy romantic relationships or even strong family connections while they were dancing, so loneliness becomes a real issue. They also have to be hardened to any judgmentalism (including self judgment) that they may face and many hide what they do. Net-net, dancing can be very isolating. I have seen more than a few otherwise skilled girls leave the industry during what could have been their peak earning years because they could not handle this aspect of the job.

    Net-net, while I agree that it is possible to do very well in this, IMHO if it were as easy as you seem to believe then there would be many more wealthy ex-dancers out there.

    Anyway, just my fwiw.
    This is extremely insightful.....wow. From dancing on and off the past 9 years the girls that are top earner's may not be the most physically attractive by conventional standards (they are pretty, but they dress and carry themselves with an air of self-confidence that exudes sexuality); they also may not be the best pole dancers, but they have an attitude and a convincing nature capable of selling a ketchup Popsicle to a woman in white gloves.

    Also maintaining stable interpersonal/familial/romantic/social relationships IS hard, very few seem to go about it with success and this kind of instability sets the stage for the "pitfalls" you mentioned, especially if there is a genetic predisposition there. I've never been a top earner, I've been a decent earner, but I have accepted that I am not a born salesperson, it is always a constant struggle for me to sell a customer that likes to play a little hardball, so to speak. I have a very specific look, which is incredibly alluring and therefore lucrative among a certain type of person. However, when I have to hustle a sale it all goes downhill....so lacking that innate skill I won't ever be a top-earner, but I accept that for what it is. It is extremely bothersome when people think dancers make thousands of dollars every night, that is an incredibly small percentage, also it is geographically influenced as you mentioned. It is the most mentally exhausting job I have ever had and I'm in school to be a P.A. and have worked in many pharmacies, where you actually do get your fair share of verbal abuse, but you definitely never have to depend on sales skills to get people to buy what you are selling.....LOL.

    It is extremely refreshing to hear a purveyor of strip clubs that is so observant as to be enlightened to these realities.
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