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    Whether it be a white girl turned down at a black club or a black girl turned down at a white club. Its still racism. So dont tell me not to start the racism shit, it is what it is. Have u ever been in a similar situation?
    Does that mean that an upscale urban club turning down tattooed dancers is guilty of 'technicolor' racism ?

    I remain unconvinced that clubowners can't have legitimate business reasons for making the hiring decisions they feel are in the best interest of their club's customer base / bottom line. And while there are undoubtedly some clubowners who do in fact make such hiring decisions based on actual personal racist beliefs, labelling every single clubowner / manager who doesn't hire a particular dancer as a 'racist' is IMHO 'over the top'.

    And in regard to your request for personal anecdotes, I have been turned down by literally dozens of clubs because the clubowner felt that my huge boobs wound not appeal to that particular club's customer base. I have also been hired and worked in dozens of other clubs where my huge boobs didn't 'sell' very well to that particular club's customer base. In terms of 'physical characteristics' mismatch, this is the same situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    All of this circles back to a 'poorly received' point that I attempted to make early on in this thread.

    The fact that a given club may decide not to hire a given dancer, based on the clubowner's 'impression' of what sort of dancer physical attributes will 'sell' the best to the club's particular customer base, happens all the time. This does not automatically translate into a case of 'discrimination' ! If a clubowner refuses to hire too many 'older' dancers, does that make the club guilty of 'age discrimination' ? If an upscale urban club with a primarily black customer base refuses to hire too many 'light skinned' dancers, does that make the club guilty of 'racial discrimination' ? If a club refuses to hire too many 'mexican' dancers, does that make the club guilty of 'discrimination' on the basis of 'national origin' ?

    Obviously, official 'discrimination' on the basis of race, creed, color, religion, national origin etc. is illegal ... as are hiring quotas by employers. However, where independent contractor dancers are concerned, a clubowner deciding to engage the services of a particular independent contractor versus a different independent contractor leaves a huge amount of officlal leeway, given that a dancer's physical attributes are a significant part of her 'qualifications'.
    This reminds me of something that happened at a club I worked at. I wasn't there at the time but my roommate was and this woman comes in missing an arm and applies to dance. The club refused to hire her and she threatened to sue because of discrimination. However is it discrimination because the club knew an one armed dancer wouldn't work since most dancers did pole work? Is there really a market for one armed strippers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Does that mean that an upscale urban club turning down tattooed dancers is guilty of 'technicolor' racism ?

    I remain unconvinced that clubowners can't have legitimate business reasons for making the hiring decisions they feel are in the best interest of their club's customer base / bottom line. And while there are undoubtedly some clubowners who do in fact make such hiring decisions based on actual personal racist beliefs, labelling every single clubowner / manager who doesn't hire a particular dancer as a 'racist' is IMHO 'over the top'.

    And in regard to your request for personal anecdotes, I have been turned down by literally dozens of clubs because the clubowner felt that my huge boobs wound not appeal to that particular club's customer base. I have also been hired and worked in dozens of other clubs where my huge boobs didn't 'sell' very well to that particular club's customer base. In terms of 'physical characteristics' mismatch, this is the same situation.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misssincere View Post
    Whether it be a white girl turned down at a black club or a black girl turned down at a white club. Its still racism. So dont tell me not to start the racism shit, it is what it is. Have u ever been in a similar situation?
    I haven't been in a similar situation because I know were my place is. I would NEVER even think about going to a black club. If you can say black club, hispanic club and get pissed off about white club you might not be thinking things through too much. Racism goes out the window when it comes to these things. I don't jump and scream racism whenever anyone has a preference that isn't me. Maybe I will come back through karmic reincarnation and be a black girl so I can suffer too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    I remain unconvinced that clubowners can't have legitimate business reasons for making the hiring decisions they feel are in the best interest of their club's customer base / bottom line. And while there are undoubtedly some clubowners who do in fact make such hiring decisions based on actual personal racist beliefs, labelling every single clubowner / manager who doesn't hire a particular dancer as a 'racist' is IMHO 'over the top'.
    As I am sure you well know there is just as much seemingly nonsensical hiring decisions made in the "vanilla workforce". Although rarely are complaints filed nor do they have much merit if they are, because of a perceived discriminatory hiring process - something that is extremely hard to prove unless someone in charge of hiring said something outright to an applicant and the person was voice-recording them. Even when prejudice blatantly exists (I once was told I was hired at a job over a more qualified applicant because I 'won in the looks department') - but the boss hired who he felt the patients would best respond to. At the same time I have been turned down over applicant's who lacked experience and were still working on their credentials. Why? Good luck getting an sensible, honest explanation.

    At the end of the day the person in the position of power "the boss, the manager, the practice owner, whomever is in charge" was placed in a position of power by his determination/work/accumulation of assets/personal connections or peers, and therefore is entrusted to make the best judgement call for whatever business is being operated. The day someone is forced to operate a business and not have control over their hiring process is the day when people won't own businesses, governing entities will. Despite the few bad apples that operate with an unprofessional and/or discriminatory attitude, it is a small price to pay for the freedom to current and future entrepreneurs, CEO's, small business owners, Charge Nurses', Chief's of Staff, Law Firm Partners, etc. to operate their work space and/or business the way they want to and the way they feel is best/most lucrative for current and future employees, purveyors, patients, customers, clients.....you get the picture.

    The good news is as long as that freedom is allowed, there will be someone out there who is looking for your unique combination of qualities and talents, it is just a matter of finding them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strippername View Post
    Don't start the racism shit. There are black clubs that wouldn't even think of hiring a white dancer unless she had major black attributes. It is what it is. Keep trying, OP. You don't need that club.
    I think this is a good discussion, so I don't want to shut it down, but keep it respectful. The OP is experiencing the negative effects of being black in a club that obviously only hires white dancers. I think "racism" is a perfectly accurate term for that. Regardless of the arguments for or against a clubowner's rights or reasons for operating this way, the experience and frustrations are still the same for the OP and she wanted to discuss them. It's no one's place to tell her "not to start that stuff" when "that stuff" is what she's going through and wants advice on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PleasureVictim View Post
    I'm sorry to read this. Skin lightening will destroy her skin over time. My parents are from a country where this is something quite a few people do. One, it never looks natural once they get lighter, two- it destroys the skin.

    A relative of mine coats herself in that from head to toe. She went to get a pedicure, and her skin was so damaged and weak that she bled from the pumice stone being rubbed on her feet.

    Please advise your friend that it's not worth destroying herself permanently to work at a strip club.
    Thanks, I had my doubts about that stuff. I will talk to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora_Sunset View Post
    I think this is a good discussion, so I don't want to shut it down, but keep it respectful. The OP is experiencing the negative effects of being black in a club that obviously only hires white dancers. I think "racism" is a perfectly accurate term for that. Regardless of the arguments for or against a clubowner's rights or reasons for operating this way, the experience and frustrations are still the same for the OP and she wanted to discuss them. It's no one's place to tell her "not to start that stuff" when "that stuff" is what she's going through and wants advice on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by strippername View Post
    I haven't been in a similar situation because I know were my place is. I would NEVER even think about going to a black club. If you can say black club, hispanic club and get pissed off about white club you might not be thinking things through too much. Racism goes out the window when it comes to these things. I don't jump and scream racism whenever anyone has a preference that isn't me. Maybe I will come back through karmic reincarnation and be a black girl so I can suffer too.

    Lol goodluck staying in "your place"dear.

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    I didn't start the thread for a debate btw. Just expressing my feelings and frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    This reminds me of something that happened at a club I worked at. I wasn't there at the time but my roommate was and this woman comes in missing an arm and applies to dance. The club refused to hire her and she threatened to sue because of discrimination. However is it discrimination because the club knew an one armed dancer wouldn't work since most dancers did pole work? Is there really a market for one armed strippers?
    You'd be shocked at what there is a market for. There's a one armed stripper here in Reading, PA. She is hot as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misssincere View Post
    I didn't start the thread for a debate btw. Just expressing my feelings and frustration.
    Welcome to stripperweb. You'll be told about your own personal experiences at times by people who haven't dealt with what you've dealt with. Or there's one person they know that it doesn't happen to, so if it happens to you- something is wrong with you....so on and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    You'd be shocked at what there is a market for. There's a one armed stripper here in Reading, PA. She is hot as hell.
    Yeah after I heard about that one armed stripper who got rejected, someone told me about a one legged stripper in a wheelchair who was hot. I suppose there is a market for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strippername View Post
    I haven't been in a similar situation because I know were my place is. I would NEVER even think about going to a black club. If you can say black club, hispanic club and get pissed off about white club you might not be thinking things through too much. Racism goes out the window when it comes to these things. I don't jump and scream racism whenever anyone has a preference that isn't me. Maybe I will come back through karmic reincarnation and be a black girl so I can suffer too.
    There were several black clubs within a half hour from me and not once did I ever consider going to these. I knew what group was attracted to me and it generally wasn't black men. The black men that tended to come into the clubs wanted girls with big butts and huge hips and I had neither. In fact my hips were so tiny I often tried to look larger that way. Older professional black men liked me but it was because my figure was not stereotypical black. Likewise being a brunette with an athletic body eliminated me from the typical blonde clubs. I knew my clientele and who liked me and who didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    There were several black clubs within a half hour from me and not once did I ever consider going to these. I knew what group was attracted to me and it generally wasn't black men. The black men that tended to come into the clubs wanted girls with big butts and huge hips and I had neither. In fact my hips were so tiny I often tried to look larger that way. Older professional black men liked me but it was because my figure was not stereotypical black. Likewise being a brunette with an athletic body eliminated me from the typical blonde clubs. I knew my clientele and who liked me and who didn't.
    I can totally see where you are coming from. But, I like to be the girl at the club who looks wildly out of place. It gets me noticed... I've danced in a bunch of black clubs. Several of my stripper travel friends, like the one I mentioned earlier are black, so I have ended up at a lot of black clubs. (On a side note, while my black friends have had trouble getting into predominantly white clubs, I have never had trouble getting into a black club. Not saying this is how it is for everyone, of course... Just my experience.) Anyway, I LOVE being the only not black girl at the black club!! Being an anomaly can be very profitable. Yeah, some might laugh at my scrawny little boy frame and tiny booty. But most guys like to try out a new type of girl at the strip club. There are so many delicious flavors of ladies!! Why limit yourself to just one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PleasureVictim View Post
    I'm sorry to read this. Skin lightening will destroy her skin over time. My parents are from a country where this is something quite a few people do. One, it never looks natural once they get lighter, two- it destroys the skin.

    A relative of mine coats herself in that from head to toe. She went to get a pedicure, and her skin was so damaged and weak that she bled from the pumice stone being rubbed on her feet.

    Please advise your friend that it's not worth destroying herself permanently to work at a strip club.
    And yeah, I agree with this. Don't go all Micheal Jackson on us, OP! You are gorgeous, just as you are!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by misssincere View Post
    Pleasure victim the club has two sections. basically the urban (black side) is seperate. The other side only has 2 black dancers.
    This right here is the problem. This is the year 2013, and racial segregation is STILL going on?! I am so furious right now. Please, girl, for your OWN self respect, leave that club and find a mixed or urban club where you will be worshiped and paid what you are worth!

    I've worked at a mixed club, and let me tell you, some of the black dancers there were the top earners who grabbed all the attention of the custys- I've seen white guys only tip the best-looking girls who could really dance and entertain, and they were black. But really, how attractive you are has nothing to do with it at these all-white, hillbilly-run shit clubs. FUCK THEM. This racism shit has to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmine.Doll View Post
    I can totally see where you are coming from. But, I like to be the girl at the club who looks wildly out of place. It gets me noticed... I've danced in a bunch of black clubs. Several of my stripper travel friends, like the one I mentioned earlier are black, so I have ended up at a lot of black clubs. (On a side note, while my black friends have had trouble getting into predominantly white clubs, I have never had trouble getting into a black club. Not saying this is how it is for everyone, of course... Just my experience.) Anyway, I LOVE being the only not black girl at the black club!! Being an anomaly can be very profitable. Yeah, some might laugh at my scrawny little boy frame and tiny booty. But most guys like to try out a new type of girl at the strip club. There are so many delicious flavors of ladies!! Why limit yourself to just one?
    In some clubs being the odd one does work. I have been the only brunette or the tallest one or something like that. However many clubs want all the dancers to look the same. I wouldn't want to work in a club like that but some don't mind. Personally I always liked variety because it is easier to make money when you have a different look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misssincere View Post
    Lol goodluck staying in "your place"dear.
    Good luck finding one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    There were several black clubs within a half hour from me and not once did I ever consider going to these. I knew what group was attracted to me and it generally wasn't black men. The black men that tended to come into the clubs wanted girls with big butts and huge hips and I had neither. In fact my hips were so tiny I often tried to look larger that way. Older professional black men liked me but it was because my figure was not stereotypical black. Likewise being a brunette with an athletic body eliminated me from the typical blonde clubs. I knew my clientele and who liked me and who didn't.
    Me too. Do you think people who weren't attracted to you were racist? "I am not going to try to work at that black club. They are racist" said nobody ever. They just don't. Is it racist for the club to not play hip-hop or rap? No. Have a whiter look and you can be the token just like the white girl with the blacker look. It isn't Wal-Mart.

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    Vegas is a funny place. I had a hard time getting hired there. I was being told to "tone up" everywhere I went. I talked to a white stripper with the same body as mine and she works at several of the clubs I went to. Her advice was that my weight was fine and to go audition during the day shift to get hired. She told me that the clubs won't hire black dancers right away for prime time and to work day shift and ask to stay late or re-audition for night shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strippername View Post
    Good luck finding one.
    Somebody with confidence doesnt go where shes expected. Black men love me, ive been told im a "white mans black girl". Its not finding your place. Its going wherever you get in and make money. So goodluck. Again.

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    My goal is to make money. That ONE manager pissed me off. Ive been hired at every other club I've auditioned at (white,black,hispanic) so i vented. This wont stop me. Thanks for the ladies who listened and understand. Ill ignore those who dont and keep making money

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    Do you think people who weren't attracted to you were racist? "I am not going to try to work at that black club. They are racist" said nobody ever. They just don't
    Are you saying that black club customers who choose not to spend much money on white dancers aren't racist, while white club customers who choose not to spend much money on black dancers ARE racist ? Are you implying that black club managers who choose not to hire more white dancers aren't racist, while white club managers who choose not to hire more black dancers ARE racist ?


    Pleasure victim the club has two sections. basically the urban (black side) is seperate. The other side only has 2 black dancers.

    This right here is the problem. This is the year 2013, and racial segregation is STILL going on?!
    OK I'll ask the $64,000 question ... what would happen if the clubowner simply knocked down the wall and operated the total square footage as one big club ?

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