My old manager in Abq wasn't racist.....she hated EVERYBODY!





My old manager in Abq wasn't racist.....she hated EVERYBODY!
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Since about half of the people in my family fall into this category we jokingly refer to those family members as "equal opportunity offenders". They pretty much don't like anyone, and they equally dislike everyone they don't like LOL. That's horrible (but a bit funny, because they are funny characters) I know, I think my Stepdad alluded to the phrase while watching South Park and justifying his appreciation of the show by saying, well they offend everyone equally, so they aren't rude, they treat everyone equally like shit.....haha. Then it just sorta took off from there.....my long-term SO, who is Venezuelan is even in on it, he now identifies as an equal opportunity offender. I'm like really, is there enough testosterone in circulation? Because I can smell a pissing contest a mile away LOL.
Sorry strippername, but you took a small and valid complaint and totally gave it a life of it's own. No one even discussed the politics of racism in strip clubs as a generality, the OP described a singular experience she had.....how do you draw all those conclusions from that one statement?
"I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act." - Abraham Maslow
I haven't put a single word in anyone's mouth. I am just saying what other people won't. It is not racist to not hire a black person. It is not racist to not hire a white person. It is a business that is based on looks and they can do whatever they THINK is best for it. When you are all in managements position you can hire everyone who walks through the door and see how your club works.
OP says she looks young and doesn't wear a lot of makeup. That might not be the look the club is going after. I do think black girls can get away with less makeup than a white girl. White girls look sloppy without it.


Sorry, but you just said one thing then contradicted it in the same breath.....that was amazing, not in a good way, but like, really? So you don't put words in their mouth, you just speak for them instead and assume it is what they were thinking and at the same time assume that it is okay with everyone for you to be their personal verbal representative regarding their supppsed thoughts?
"I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act." - Abraham Maslow





Nope I didn't think they were racist and I think many people use the race card way too much. I know several women who are only attracted to men the same race. When they did online dating (or dating in general)they were called racists. I don't consider it racist to like a certain type of person. I had guys who were my age and income level who didn't like me either and men who weren't and I doubt people would call them racists for having preferences.
I've worked at a few clubs where they refused to play hip hop and the reason was they felt it was attract the thugs (of all races). I never cared for most of hip hop anyway but the question is would they? possibly so they just avoided it.
I already knew your answer, Kellydancer.![]()
Excuse me I am getting pulled of by the PC police....





^^^ thus my first post in this thread beginning with ' I hesitate to post at all'. However I thought that an 'alternate' interpretation was worth posting, even if a majority of other SW posters might not agree with that 'alternate' interpretation.
Since this thread seems to be getting close to the point of closure, let me 'cut to the chase' ...It isn't racism.
Indeed this isn't about racism - it's about MONEY. Even though white dancers often have difficulty being hired in urban 'black' clubs, outside of some isolated examples like Atlanta, not being allowed to work in a 'black' club usually doesn't cost the white dancer money because they will have other club options available that will probably pay as well as, if not better than, the 'black' club which refused to hire them. So even though real acts of racism must, by definition, be based strictly on skin color ... thus by definition cannot have a financial component ... for a fact nobody in this thread is going to see a white dancer being refused by a 'black' club as the 'victim' of racism.
Different story of course for a black dancer being refused by a 'white' club, who based on 'majority opinion' in this thread is clearly seen as the 'victim' of racism. But the unspoken truth here is that, outside of some isolated examples like Atlanta, not being allowed to work in a 'white' club will usually deny a black dancer a PERCEIVED opportunity for higher earnings ( which may or not actually be the case, based on the actual spending decisions by the 'white' club's particular customer base ). It's about MONEY.





It's part of this whole "if you don't like me it's because of my race, etc". Way too many people use something that someone doesn't like as a way to say they dislike them because of their race or something else. For example when I did online dating I got people calling me names because of certain men I avoided (not just race but other reasons). There are black men I think are hot (many actors for example)but others I find repulsive. This is the case with every race/ethnicity. If I was to go into a strip club and pay a man for dances more than likely my preferences would either be a Latin or Hispanic man who is dark haired and dark skinned. This doesn't mean I hate men from other races it's preferences of what appeals to me.
I knew what you were saying, Melonie. I also knew that you and Kellydancer were the only ones on the Stripperweb planet who understand.
I am not an eloquent board poster and write more like a rambling white girl.





Exactly. A club usually knows what works and what doesn't. It reminds me years ago when I was branded a racist because I didn't hire a black dancer. The reason I didn't hire her was because she was unattractive. She had a crew cut, she was missing teeth and and she was fat. My clientele would never book her for a party unless it was a joke. When I told her she needed to grow her hair, get her teeth fixed and lose weight she called me a racist. As it turns out I had a beautiful black girl who made a lot of money because she was beautiful.





^^^ actually, missing teeth appears to be an increasing 'selling point' for certain dancers these days ... sorry for the ThreadJack !
PS I find most 'white' guys fairly repulsive !









I'm not sure if when people say "it's not racism," they are actually meaning that race isn't a factor here. If so, that is completely wrong because race was the main factor in the OP's experience. Other black girls on this thread, or girls who are friends with black girls, have had the same experience. So let's not pretend this isn't a racial issue, because it is. It's a burden that black women have to deal with - denying it won't make it go away. Black girls on this board have flat out been told, explicitly, that their race is what's deterring them from being hired. So how can we say it's not a racial issue?
Melonie is correct in saying that money is a factor, however the real issue is deeper than that. I have a basic understanding of supply and demand. If there are "too many black girls" at a club, and not enough demand for them, they won't make as much money. However, part of what is propelling the lesser demand of black girls vs girls of other races is society's collective perception that black is ugly, that white is pretty, etc. And that, my friends, is racism. If a girl is turned away from a club because she is black, that is discrimination in every sense of the word, and it's racial discrimination. Whether the manager who turns her away is an individual racist or not is a moot point - that manager is still actively participating in sociological racism whether (s)he wants to or not. Not being able to get hired somewhere because you are a certain is race stems from... drumroll... racism.
And I am not even one of the girls who has to deal with this... my race has never been an issue, I've always gotten hired at upscale white clubs, and I'm a multiracial individual. I'm Ukranian, British, and Northeast African among a few other things and although I'm considered "exotic" by industry standards, I'm also never perceived as black. A girl I used to be friends with is black and dark skinned and has a tough time being hired at even mid-tier clubs that have a more white clientele. This is a real issue that black girls face, it's a huge disadvantage, and I don't feel it's fair to sweep it under the rug or tell black girls to get over it.
"Rather have my feet hurting than my pockets."





Nope, sorry, what that actually is ... is 'free market' economic choices on the part of club customers, who are after all the source of ALL dancer earnings. Granted that those 'free market' economic choices can be influenced by real world economic limitations i.e. club customers whose earnings levels are relatively low simply cannot afford to spend tons of money on 'luxury' items such as lap dances and VIP.If there are "too many black girls" at a club, and not enough demand for them, they won't make as much money. However, part of what is propelling the lesser demand of black girls vs girls of other races is society's collective perception that black is ugly, that white is pretty, etc. And that, my friends, is racism.
Not wanting to drift too far afield, but I will point out that recent court decisions holding that dancers are 'employees' will in fact 'help' in this regard, by 'redistributing' club customer spending more equally among all dancers via minimum wage pay and tip sharing. Also, holding dancers are 'employees' will also subject the club to increased scrutiny regarding the diversity of the club's employees.


Which may not be a bad thing.....
I certainly don't want anyone taking someone seriously that extrapolates conclusions in a wildly aggressive, non-logical manner, then attempts to explain that they are representing the thoughts of those too afraid to voice their opinion.....sorry but eloquent or not, some of the things that were said are just down-right careless.....and I know I shouldn't be so bothered by this, but I can not stand when people contradict themselves, lie in the same paragraph, and just in general are reckless in their writing; with a complete disregard for any sort of logical thought process to support their conflicting statements. You can say the craziest thing ever, even the most offensive thing ever, but please at least have some sort of reasoning for your statements and be able to explain the thought mechanisms that allowed you to arrive to such a conclusion.
"I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act." - Abraham Maslow





Here's the thing, if the clientele at the club doesn't like black girls is it fair to hire her knowing she won't make money? At some clubs I knew I wouldn't make money because I didn't have the "right" look for the club and was happier no0t being hired than trying to make the money I wouldn't.
This is probably going to offend some but it is the truth. Many black women who want to dance simply don't have the body type to make as much money. This is true of white women too but many more white women who have the body type know they won't be as successful. I was more muscular and knew I wouldn't appeal to everyone man and not every club would hire me. For the most part the black women I danced with had fantastic bodies and beautiful faces. Is that racist to say? no, it's how the clubs think. True I have seen clubs reject a beautiful black woman in favor of a less attractive white woman but they knew the clientele would be more open to the white woman for many reasons.
The beautiful black girl I hired still had a harder time than the white women I hired. This was a problem even though I catered to the Chicago area which is more open about race.





^^^ nope it's not clear in the least, since you are still attempting to assert that widespread racism ( specifically, only racism by white club owners against black dancers ) is endemic to the strip club industry thus should be taken as a 'given' ... without offering any serious proof that this is in fact the case.


Okay, there is a fault in your point though, the basic principles of supply and demand that you are referring to.....you are saying there is less demand for black dancers because society perceives black as ugly. I would beg to differ, men like black women, always have (even if only secretly, but hence the ruse of the strip club)....exotic ladies have always been liked and given the choice guys really like a variety; and they go to clubs to experience something different than what they have at home....
The real reason isn't due to black not being beautiful, it is due to the fact that demographically black Americans tend to be on a lower socioeconomic status than white Americans.....not always the case, but just stating facts....so the most lucrative purveyors of the club may be white, they may like black women, but some may still be a bit uncomfortable with the stigma of choosing a black girl over a white one......others won't. However since the overall income level of black men is less than white men when black men come to the strip club they aren't going to spend as much money (in the eyes of management), because they don't have as much to spend. They also may feel uncomfortable at a 'white club', so essentially when calculating the profitability of a dancer, it is actually based on the client demographics, not the attractiveness of the dancer in question. So it is racism more or less, but for different reasons than most people think.
"I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act." - Abraham Maslow





With regard to black men I had a lot of professional black men as clients. They liked me because I didn't have a typical black girl body and because I was white. Yes many white men like black women but generally speaking they like hot black women.
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