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    Clearly teaching minor students in the States is a very bad idea if you are/were a cam girl or have any other traceable history in the adult industry. Does anyone know if those same rules apply for teaching adults internationally? Specifically, I have been toying with the idea of getting a TEFL (teaching English as a foreign language) certification and applying to teach at schools overseas. I'm primarily interested in working with professionals to improve their command of business English, so I wouldn't be around minors at all. I'm guessing I shouldn't even bother applying to schools in the Middle East, but in places like Asia and South America, would they even care? Should I be concerned about them denying my application if it is discovered that I am a webcam model? I don't want to go through an expensive TEFL course if this door is just going to be closed to me.

    Also, schools typically provide teachers with a work visa. Would that allow me to also cam legally while teaching? I'm not familiar with foreign work visas and whether they are specific to one particular employer or if they cover you to work anywhere for the duration of your stay.

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    I don't know about other places in Asia, but I looked into teaching in Japan and being conservative/professional (for teaching at least) is a big deal there. Based on what I found, it's a lot less lax in terms of behaviour/dress code, so I imagine if they found out you were a cam model that would seriously not be okay. But I'm not sure if they'd run the same kind of background check that they would run in the states, so there's that. But if they found your photos/shows they could find a reason to fire you, I'm sure.

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    A work visa that requires sponsorship only permits you to work for the employer that is sponsoring you. You would need a more general, working holiday visa to allow you to do any job you want. Of course, not all countries offer those, and you can't have two different work visas at once.

    Be very careful about doing sex work abroad, as other countries can have very strict laws. Do your research, because you can get into a heck of a lot more trouble than just losing your job if you cam in certain places.

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    Yeah, I'm also really curious to see what kind of background checks language schools typically run. To teach in a lot of programs you only need to be a native English speaker and have a BA degree, and since I meet both requirements I'm really not sure if they would thoroughly investigate my work history since it's not actually relevant. Maybe someone on here has some experience with this?

    I'd say you're right about certain countries having stupid strict rules for conduct. One guy on a forum I'm on was teaching English at a Korean school in the Philippines and was fired after three weeks because the students complained that he seemed tired and had stifled a yawn while in the classroom. Then in Mexico a woman was teaching English to immigration officials and they would all laugh about how she didn't even have a work permit and how ridiculous the immigration policies are. I wonder if in that type of situation they would even care that I modeled.

    And as far as camming in other countries, YES I do agree that some countries should be completely avoided if you plan on doing that. Another reason why I won't even apply to schools in the ME. And let's not forget that popular cam model who was recently raided and thrown in jail for camming while she was in Asia. I'd definitely make sure it isn't a huge crime in my new country before considering it.

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    IDK if travelling is a big part of this, or if you just want to teach ESL. You can also teach ESL online. I believe there are diff agencies for this.

    Or if you speak two languages, you can do work translating as well.

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    Traveling is definitely a big part of this I just need to get the F away and since I've had to push back my original plan to head down to Mexico I figured I might as well figure out a way to get paid to travel.

    I have heard of teaching ESL online but everything I've come across has been conversation English platforms and you're responsible for finding your own students. I'd prefer to work a set shift and get paid a set amount rather than doing the work of finding my own clients and not getting a guaranteed salary, but if anyone knows of online ESL schools that assign you set hours and give you a set hourly rate please let me know. The online conversational English teaching platforms I've come across didn't require any background checks whatsoever so I wouldn't have to worry about my camming history, but those don't exactly appeal to me.

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    Thank you for starting this thread! I'm very interested in others' knowledge since I just applied to teach English in Japan and was considering camming on the side to supplement income since it's not like I could do anything else over there. I know that if you were discovered in a country like Japan, you would absolutely be fired (but the same could be said for a lot of vanilla jobs in the US too), but I am not sure of the legalities surrounding it or how big of a background check they do on you. As I look into these things or discover things throughout my application/interview process, I'll try to remember to come back here. But I literally just applied and wouldn't be leaving for Japan until July/August if I get the job, so I don't have any concrete answers for the immediate future.
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    ^That's awesome!!!! Did you apply through JET? I've hard great things about teaching in Japan but I don't know how happy I'd be living there for a year. Do you have any TEFL, TESOL, CERTA, or other certifications? I'm so excited to know someone else who is looking into this!!!! I also hear Korea has some amazing programs, but for the time being I'm looking into Vietnam and Singapore, as well as Mexico, Chile, and Peru. I don't really care what country I end up in for my first job just as long as it's easy to get in. I'd love to spend the rest of my life spending a year or two in different countries and then relocating to another TEFL job when I get bored.

    As far as keeping anonymity with camming I think the safest bet would be to use a site that's free chat optional and keep your profile pictures to body shots only. For myself I plan on sticking with MGF because I don't have to worry about someone accidentally stumbling upon me there. I keep my video prices high so that combined with site features that make it harder to pirate content (not impossible, but harder) means I wouldn't worry as much about getting found out as I would if I cammed on, say, SM or MFC. There's less money to be made on MGF but a teaching salary should more than cover the cost of living, I would just want to keep using the site to save for luxury items and side trips, and as a backup plan in case something were to happen. Also, not every country has reliable internet so focusing on content sales as opposed to live streaming would be a great option for someone who's stuck with slow upload speeds. It's too bad c4s is so well known, that would also be a great option while overseas but I would think there would be more of a risk of someone randomly finding your clips.

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    Yes, I applied through JET! I don't have my TEFL certification, but if I don't make the program this year, there is a certification program through my university that is only 12 credits. I didn't have the money for it until now, but if I don't get in this year, I'll take it next Fall to boost my resume. I just couldn't hold out on another year of putting in my application as this is something I've wanted to do since I was probably 13. So I'm going for it! But if I need to do more to get my resume up there, I'll work on that after seeing how this application goes. Though I am also lucky in that I have an uncle who taught English in Japan in various places for about 20 years, and he said he would be happy to put in a good word for me at other places if my JET application doesn't make it. So I'm lucky that I have a connection!

    Good point on content sales being a safer option than live-stream camming. I know they pay decently, but I have so much student debt to pay off, I'm just trying to think of ways to make as much money as possible. Unfortunately, being over there, while an awesome experience, leaves you with few options to pick up part-time side jobs for extra saving income.
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    I imagine you'd have an easier time if you were heading to a pretty major European country, aka the ones we actually see cam girls from as well - germany, russia, (lol, or teach english in the UK), etc versus most Asian countries.....which are usually the ones where there is a greater need for English teachers.
    I'm pretty sure Thailand has crazy laws if I remember correctly. And Vietnam.

    But obvs, I have zero actual facts about this so listening to me is prob a waste.
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    Another thing I just thought of regarding teaching abroad and camming is taxes. To the best of my knowledge, you would pay taxes on your teaching salary to the country you are working in, and then file some type of foreign tax credit with the IRS so you're not double taxed. I'm going to go ahead and assume that one would not want to report their camming income to the country they are teaching in to avoid outing themselves. I'm not sure if U.S. 1099s would be discovered by another country's taxation department, but to play it safe I would probably be wary of sites that issue 1099s. MGF does not issue them.

    ETA: MGF is not technically a porn site. That's why they are so strict about no public nudity or explicit words; in order to keep giving out such high %s to models they need to comply with their payment processor's rules about not being explicit. If you're going to get caught you're going to get caught and I'm sure there will be consequences regardless of what country you're in, but maybe the consequences wouldn't be as harsh if you're not on an explicit site? That's just a guess on my part so take it for what it is.

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    Default Re: Camming and Teaching Abroad- Yea or Nay?

    Quote Originally Posted by CourtneyRaine View Post
    Clearly teaching minor students in the States is a very bad idea if you are/were a cam girl or have any other traceable history in the adult industry. Does anyone know if those same rules apply for teaching adults internationally? Specifically, I have been toying with the idea of getting a TEFL (teaching English as a foreign language) certification and applying to teach at schools overseas. I'm primarily interested in working with professionals to improve their command of business English, so I wouldn't be around minors at all. I'm guessing I shouldn't even bother applying to schools in the Middle East, but in places like Asia and South America, would they even care? Should I be concerned about them denying my application if it is discovered that I am a webcam model? I don't want to go through an expensive TEFL course if this door is just going to be closed to me.

    Also, schools typically provide teachers with a work visa. Would that allow me to also cam legally while teaching? I'm not familiar with foreign work visas and whether they are specific to one particular employer or if they cover you to work anywhere for the duration of your stay.
    Courtney, I would have to say that I believe that you could get away with that in certain part of Asia such as Japan or South Korea. But I think that Brazil is a country that you could look into as well. Good luck, Courtney, because this is such a great idea

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    yes id love to teach English in Japan because i love the culture and have wanted to learn the langauge more then what i got form my two years of high school lol
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    I'm not sure what the process is for teaching in Asia, but I'm teaching in Europe and they ran a background check on me and I got into the program with no problems. Definitely do it if you can--living abroad is an amazing experience and will change you for the better.
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    ^That's awesome! I am so envious of you right now I was actually under the impression that it's harder to get teaching jobs in Western Europe if you aren't a citizen of an EU country (due to how their work visa requirements are set up), so that opens up a lot of possibilities Now if only they didn't already speak English in the Caribbean, I wouldn't mind heading down to Aruba for a year or two!

    Snowy, there are some great programs that would allow you to teach in Japan. The best one out there is JET, you can google it if you want to learn more. Basically the only eligibility requirements to get into JET is that you be a native English speaker and have a Bachelor's. You don't need to be fluent in Japanese or have any teaching experience, but those skills would obviously enhance your application.

    My best friend in college ended up joining the Peace Corp right after we graduated, which is another option for traveling abroad. I remember her application took months and was super rigorous (I'm not sure what kind of background checks they did or if camming would preclude you from getting accepted). She taught English in Mauritania for two years even though she had no teaching skills and actually got her degree in fashion. Now she's back in the States teaching ESL in the public school system and couldn't be happier. Of course, cam girls probably shouldn't apply for teaching jobs here in the States but if you just want to get away for a couple of years Peace Corps might be worth looking into?

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    ill have to look into that after i get a bachlors degree i worked odd jobs for my family after highs school for a few years got my massage therapy lic (and most of u know how that went) and now i cam so i think maybe ill look into online bachelors degree or maybe some local schools around here have bachelors in music and ive always wanted to learn music too =^y^=
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    Snowy, if you don't have a BA you can always get TEFL certified and break into certain areas. Some places will still accept you as a teacher without a degree as long as you are certified. There are online TEFL certification programs as well as through university. Online ones are cheaper but aren't as reputable as getting a cert from a classroom setting. Depending on where you go it could still suffice. Check out this thread for more info: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntre...readID=1755793

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    Ironically, I've been thinking of doing the same thing here in Germany. I'm currently TEFL certified and looking for jobs (not working very well thus far), and I was going to go to a German school and learn German (so it increases my chances of getting ANY job here in general), and camming on the side. But I was worried about what the taxes and stuff would be like, being in a foreign country and all...

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    Just an FYI, apparently if you teach English in Korea they don't do any type of employment check so you should be perfectly safe with a camming background as long as you meet the minimum requirements. This is everything you need to apply:

    - current resume
    - a picture of yourself (this is actually very common when applying to jobs abroad)
    - 2-3 letters of reference
    - a video introducing yourself and explaining why you want to teach English in Korea (optional)
    - passport
    - photocopy of your bachelor's with an Apostille
    - three sealed and stamped academic transcripts
    - FBI criminal background check with an Apostille (these ONLY check for criminal history and federal employment, naturalization, and military service- NOT any other jobs!)
    - medical statement disclosure affirming that you are mentally/emotionally stable, HIV-, drug free, and generally in good health
    - passport photos

    And that's pretty much it! You should note that when you get your visa and arrive in Korea you have 90 days to go to a hospital in Korea for a medical check and must submit your health certificate to the immigration office and the school you are working for. If you test positive for HIV and/or narcotics your teaching contract will be terminated and you will be sent back to your home country immediately. It is a lot of paperwork and the application process takes several months but hagwons (private schools) hire year round AND they provide you with an apartment for free in addition to $1800-$2500 USD/month salary depending on your contract and qualifications. These are small studio apartments but sufficient, furnished, and generally close to the school. Most contracts are for one year with the option to sign on for an additional year at the end of your term. If you sign on for a second year you get a salary increase.

    If you have pets you also have to go through a shit ton of vet visits, vaccines, and USDA approved paperwork for importing your pet, but some schools will allow you to have a pet in your school provided apartment.

    I'm really not sure how camming is perceived in Korea and what the consequences would be if you were found it, but with a free apartment and $2000 USD/month salary I'm really not sure why you'd need to cam much if we're just talking about money here. I'd probably stick with my regs on MGF just to keep somewhat of an income and presence for when I eventually left the country, but if I were to go to Korea I'd probably keep camming to a minimum and definitely not risk doing free chat. If you chose to risk it Korea does have the fastest internet speeds in the world so that aspect wouldn't be an issue. Just check the laws, I guess?

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    I don't know if anyone has seen it but there is an amazing Groupon out right now for online 160-hour TESOL certification that is 93% off. Only $69 for what is usually an almost $1000 program. Since the program I was going to do through my local university was "distance-learning" over the computer anyway, I bought this. It said it would take a couple days to activate my account, but I'm excited! If anyone would like the Groupon link, PM me! I think it's only active for a couple more days.
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