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    Default Re: Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified prefer

    This thread has taken a bizarre turn.

    Anyway, agree with Rick. Escorts should have the right to who they have sex with. Reminds me to some extent of dancing and how some dancers avoided certain ethnic groups. As far as I'm concerned they have the right to do so. When I did parties I avoided high crime areas (which were black areas though not all black areas). Going by that logic because I turned down parties in the hood I was being racist and should have been discriminated against? The judge have laughed dealing with a silly case like that.

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    Kelly, let's put it in this context. Would I in my right mind casually drive around a crime riddled 'hood' at 2 am for shits and giggles. Of course not. But is it illegal for a cabbie to refuse a fare to the same neighborhood with a black passenger. Yes.

    That is the essence and crux of the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownfish View Post
    Kelly, let's put it in this context. Would I in my right mind casually drive around a crime riddled 'hood' at 2 am for shits and giggles. Of course not. But is it illegal for a cabbie to refuse a fare to the same neighborhood with a black passenger. Yes.

    That is the essence and crux of the matter.
    Actually cabbies refuse all the time and yes it's their right because safety comes first. You obviously have no idea how dangerous the ghetto is in Chicago and no one goes there who can avoid it. Nope, there was no way I would dance in that area because my safety came first. I'd likely be robbed, perhaps raped or murdered.

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    Yes I know cabbies do, but it's illegal to do it

    I'm just highlighting how people are justifying racial discrimination because escorts have to be judicious about who they let put their penis inside them.

    But Then they demonize vice and moral prudes for writing laws criminalizing sex.

    Well if its just impersonal, clinical sex for money changing hands then it should be color blind.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too.

    This is the end of my contributions to this thread. I'm sorry if I came across as insensitive. But I still stand by my comments as logical, reasonable, and sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownfish View Post
    Rick, why are we injecting rape into the equation? It only serves to sensationalize the issue without merit.

    Being PAID for the sexual service is the crux of the issue. It's a business transaction. She is a professional. And if escorting were to be a legal trade she would be held to the same anti discrimation laws as any other business. I'm sure most escorts view the sex as very clinical and transactional. Imagine a paramedic refusing to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to a black man or a doctor refusing to give a prostate exam to an Asian man. But an escort refusing to kiss a black man or jerk off an Asian man for financial compensation she is complicit to perform for a white client, well that's ok because she is preserving the sanctity of her precious Vulva . Lol
    Dude, if a woman has sex against her will, it is rape. The courts have consistently maintained that "no means no" regardless of whether she is an escort. How is physical coercion any different than threatening a lawsuit if she doesn't fuck you? It just isn't happening, lol. The "sanctity of her precious Vulva" (as you put it) is of paramount importance to courts across the land and there is no way in Hell that some judge is going to award monetary damages to a guy because a girl did not let him stick his dick in her. If a girl doesn't like you because you are black, green, have a wondering eye, look stupid, etc., then she doesn't have to have sex with you. Period. What you are proposing is one step from inviting legalized rape and it just ain't gonna' happen.

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    I know I promised no more posts but wanted to thank snakesandmonkey for the insight. Hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownfish View Post
    Yes I know cabbies do, but it's illegal to do it

    I'm just highlighting how people are justifying racial discrimination because escorts have to be judicious about who they let put their penis inside them.

    But Then they demonize vice and moral prudes for writing laws criminalizing sex.

    Well if its just impersonal, clinical sex for money changing hands then it should be color blind.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too.

    This is the end of my contributions to this thread. I'm sorry if I came across as insensitive. But I still stand by my comments as logical, reasonable, and sound.
    I'm not and have never been an escort but as a stripper I had every right who I danced for. I turned down a lot of work in shady areas (there are many suburbs that are bad too). It's not racial discrimination because I had black customers, they just lived in better areas (or were club customers).

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    Default Re: Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified prefer

    Quote Originally Posted by clownfish View Post

    1. When selecting a sex partner for personal intimacy, then hell yes, you can be however selective in who you choose, using any criteria you want including race and ethnicity. However, if engaging in sex for trade or business, you can argue that discrimination laws should apply as with any business. Most escorts I would assume are proponents for the legitimization and legalization of their profession. I'll bet when that happens, there will be civil lawsuits filed against escorts who deny service based on race as has been lodged against any other business. Landlords can't refuse a person to live on his/her own property based on race. A proctologist cannot refuse a patient ,whose rectum he will probe with his digits, based on race. I highly doubt it is moral or ethical to use race to determine with whom you choose to rub your genitals per contractual business.
    I live in a country where prostitution is leagal, prostitutes now have the right to turn down any client for any reason, or no reason at all. Before this brothel owners (who think like clownfish) would not face repercussions for forcing girls to go through with clients they did not want to see. Now it is recognised as a form of rape. Because it is.

    I am not obliged to see any person as an escort. I have autonomy over my body, thanks very much.

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    Default Re: Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified prefer

    I think people in the sex industry should have a right to service or entertain who they want but I think when they start advertising the races they don't want (usually blacks) then that's going overboard in my opinion.

    Like can they just ignore calls from the races they don't like? Is it really necessary to post ads saying no black men allowed?

    It's certain races of customers I avoid in the club but I don't go around advertising it I just ignore them on the main floor.
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    Default Re: Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified prefer

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I think people in the sex industry should have a right to service or entertain who they want but I think when they start advertising the races they don't want (usually blacks) then that's going overboard in my opinion.

    Like can they just ignore calls from the races they don't like? Is it really necessary to post ads saying no black men allowed?

    It's certain races of customers I avoid in the club but I don't go around advertising it I just ignore them on the main floor.
    I'm sure it's happened but I don't remember seeing ads saying "no black guys" because that to me would be racist. If it's an individual that's different. I do remember dancers saying there were specific races they didn't cater to.

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    Dude,if a woman has sex against her will, it is rape. The courts have consistently maintained that "no means no" regardless of whether she is an escort. How is physical coercion any different than threatening a lawsuit if she doesn't fuck you? It just isn't happening, lol. The "sanctity of her precious Vulva" (as you put it) is of paramount importance to courts across the land and there is no way in Hell that some judge is going to award monetary damages to a guy because a girl did not let him stick his dick in her. If a girl doesn't like you because you are black, green, have a wondering eye, look stupid, etc., then she doesn't have to have sex with you. Period. What you are proposing is one step from inviting legalized rape and it just ain't gonna' happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I'm sure it's happened but I don't remember seeing ads saying "no black guys" because that to me would be racist. If it's an individual that's different. I do remember dancers saying there were specific races they didn't cater to.
    Spend about 30-40 minutes on backpage reading escort ads you'll see what I mean...I don't know if it's racist kellydancer cause I do think we have right to say no to people coming into our intimate space (even if it's certain racial groups being singled out) but it's definitely tactless and tacky to go around advertising a dislike for certain races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Dude, if a woman has sex against her will, it is rape. The courts have consistently maintained that "no means no" regardless of whether she is an escort. How is physical coercion any different than threatening a lawsuit if she doesn't fuck you?
    Precisely. Regardless of how "clinical" the sex is to an escort, it's still about what she's comfortable allowing to happen TO her body in a sexual context. Arguing that an escort would have to have sex with a client she doesn't want to because she's "contractually obligated under the law" would be like saying that escorts give up all rights to have any sort of boundaries. So, what? If escorting was legal, and I was now "legally under contract" when seeing a client, I would have to do anything and everything he requested because sex is now just a "clinical list" of things I'm obligated to do because of my professional title? Uh... no.

    There is a big difference that exists, even in a legal context, when the product is a person's body and intimacy. Comparing the luxury service of an escort and the things we may or may not choose to do for whoever to paramedics being required to perform life-saving procedures on anyone in need because they've sworn to it in that job is just laughable. As has already been stated, strippers turn down dancing for certain races all the time and stripping is legal. I've never heard of anyone suing over it. I'm sure there are porn stars who refuse to get on camera with black men, and porn is legal, so that's apparently their right. Camming is legal and I know there are many camgirls who block entire countries because they don't want customers of certain ethnicity. Regardless of legality, being forced to get sexual with anyone you don't want to have sex with, no matter your reason, is rape. Plain and simple. That would not change, and even acting like it should otherwise we "want to have our cake and eat it too" - as though the idea of wanting the right to exchange sex between consenting adults without fear while *gasp* maintaining our bodily autonomy is just "ridiculous" - is, frankly, disgusting.

    However you feel about the issue of escorts refusing to see whatever race, being required to have sex with whoever, whenever, even if it became legal, would just not happen.
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    Default Re: Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified prefer

    If you seriously think that just because escorts view the sex part of their job as mostly just a physical act, or "clinical," that we cease to have any boundaries or potential powerful and/or negative feelings that could crop up because of it, especially if we end up in a situation that makes us personally uncomfortable.... you are clueless and crass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownfish View Post
    Rick, why are we injecting rape into the equation? It only serves to sensationalize the issue without merit.

    Being PAID for the sexual service is the crux of the issue. It's a business transaction. She is a professional. And if escorting were to be a legal trade she would be held to the same anti discrimation laws as any other business. I'm sure most escorts view the sex as very clinical and transactional. Imagine a paramedic refusing to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to a black man or a doctor refusing to give a prostate exam to an Asian man. But an escort refusing to kiss a black man or jerk off an Asian man for financial compensation she is complicit to perform for a white client, well that's ok because she is preserving the sanctity of her precious Vulva . Lol
    Still doesn't even compare. What if we went by your discrimination policies and also included dick size into the equation. What if anyone over the average 4.5 inch cock and 15 min erection period was then required to pay a surcharge for having their dick hard longer. I mean they do charge morbidly obese customers double the plane fair if they're spilling over into another seat right? How about you get several surcharges, up charges and also have to pay double the base rate? I mean wear and tear on a product could put it out of use for some time and well we wouldn't want that now would we? So perhaps a cash deposit, wear and tear, surcharge, double the rate, uncircumsized surcharge, curved cock surcharge and lets see how this brave new world is when you can't even afford to fuck women that actually are more than happy to fuck you.

    See my point?

    STD/STIs would be another thing. Every client would be required to get an STI/STD panel (kept on file and updated after each new partner).Depending on what shows up he would then be required to only see escorts that have the exact strains of whatever was flowing through his system. If he wanted to be open to seeing any escort he wanted he would have to pay 5x the hourly rate to see any escort if it wasn't a life threatening disease. If it was life threatening well it would be 20X the going rate + protection+ any shots and she would still have the option to refuse services.

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    Default Re: Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified prefer

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I think people in the sex industry should have a right to service or entertain who they want but I think when they start advertising the races they don't want (usually blacks) then that's going overboard in my opinion.

    Like can they just ignore calls from the races they don't like? Is it really necessary to post ads saying no black men allowed?

    It's certain races of customers I avoid in the club but I don't go around advertising it I just ignore them on the main floor.
    I totally get your point. In a brothel setting where clients and working girls speak first it's really easy to take this approach. IME girls (myself included) avoid someone they don't want to see or respectfully decline to go through with them without specifying why.

    But it's not so simple when you make those bookings over the phone or by email. Personally I see any race - but it seems like the girls who don't want to see certain races are just saving time all round by advertising that fact...... Surely it's better to be upfront, rather than waste someone's time and possibly $$ by waiting till the last moment to make that choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Spend about 30-40 minutes on backpage reading escort ads you'll see what I mean...I don't know if it's racist kellydancer cause I do think we have right to say no to people coming into our intimate space (even if it's certain racial groups being singled out) but it's definitely tactless and tacky to go around advertising a dislike for certain races.
    Yeah I am mixed on that. I believe people have the right to refuse anyone but being blunt just seems cruel. When I advertised I never said I didn't go into bad areas but when they called I made excuses.

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    I'm popping back in to clarify that our existing laws do not give a carte blanche to every man on earth access to any escort on earth.

    The issue is 'on the basis of race'. I want to emphasize this, as it is the topic of this thread.

    Aurora,
    Are you telling me that if you have a 'no black clients' policy and a fair complexioned black man , passably Caucasian, was serviced by you, and then later when he takes out his wallet to pay and you notice his stated race on his drivers license, you would feel such utter revulsion you liken it to a claim of rape?

    That is arguable racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownfish View Post
    I'm popping back in to clarify that our existing laws do not give a carte blanche to every man on earth access to any escort on earth.

    The issue is 'on the basis of race'. I want to emphasize this, as it is the topic of this thread.

    Aurora,
    Are you telling me that if you have a 'no black clients' policy and a fair complexioned black man , passably Caucasian, was serviced by you, and then later when he takes out his wallet to pay and you notice his stated race on his drivers license, you would feel such utter revulsion you liken it to a claim of rape?

    That is arguable racist.
    This is just.... a weird example that would never happen....

    I don't think most escorts who refuse certain races do so because they are just flat-out racist against black people, and would be repulsed by having sex with a black person. They do so because they've associated certain undesirable experiences with a certain race. If you've already seen someone and consented to having sex with them, why would you wig out if you found out they were a different race than you thought? Again, escorts, and other sex workers don't avoid certain races due to "revulsion," - they do it due to generalized experiences. In this weird, other world scenario you've posed, no, no sane person would liken this to rape, because you obviously already consented to having sex with the person.

    But that's not what you were talking about this entire time. You were talking about being forced, from the very beginning, from the moment an escort makes the decision of "yes" or "no," that she would have to say yes. That's completely different from this ridiculous scenario you've attempted to twist my words into.
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    I used that absurd hypothetical to illustrate the absurdity of using race as a criteria for determining your client roster. If every factor is identical between to clients, socio economic status, mental health, social disposition, heck, even the clothing and dietary habits, save for the fact one is black and the other is white, then I would have to say it is racist to deny service to the black client.

    and as far as my characterization of 'clinical' sex, I was merely highlighting how transactional and impersonal the service might be. To parse the sex into the sort that would not cross personal comfort boundaries, i.e. vanilla missionary. Kind of like the characterization in the sex trade of clients as walking ATMs? Lol

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    I'm not even sure where you're argument is going at this point. No one was arguing the "absurdity" of it or that it wasn't stupid to use it as criteria. Whether you consider it racist or not, the point was that, even if it was a legal service, no, the same "discrimination" laws would not apply when you're talking about requiring someone to have sex with people she doesn't want, for whatever her reason may be.

    And yeah, the sex might be, most of the time, just transactional and impersonal.... but not 100% every single time no matter who the client is. If you're not comfortable with someone, again whatever your reason is, then being "contractually obligated" to say "yes" to sex with them would cease to be an impersonal experience, and yeah, would fall under the definition of rape.

    Whatever. I've said my piece. Now, you're just making circles and being deliberately obtuse, making me repeat myself as though you don't get it.

    I should just go accept my fate as a ho who either has no right to use my body as I please without fear of puritanical repercussions, or think that I should be forced to have sex with anyone, even if I don't want to, if I want to have a "legal" title. How silly of me to even argue otherwise.

    ETA: I don't have any "race regulations" for my clients - or really any specific regulations other than that they're respectful when they contact me. And I do think they're absurd, and that's it's crude to put it in ads. But my point remains.
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    If prostitution becomes legalized (which I think ought to) I guess the distinction between a Professional and a 'girl who will just lower her standards just a lil bit to pay the bills' might just very well be how well her coping mechanisms will be toward aforementioned 'comfort' with clients of differing creed, religion, or color.

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    Again... thinking that being a professional sex worker means that you are able to ignore literally every criteria you might otherwise have for a sex partner and just turn into a sex robot who goes through the motions with anyone and everyone who has the cash.... clueless and crass.
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    Actually, having had this simmering in my head, I have to change my position.
    It was a bit of a revelation. I thought my train of logic made so much sense but then, in an epiphany, I realized what you all have been saying makes more sense.
    Consensual sex laws should triumph over anti discrimination laws. Yes, yes, yes... I see that now.
    Eh, guess I was trying to be too clever lol.

    SORRY!

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    Default Re: Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified prefer

    Also I just found this op ed piece.



    It kind of balances the perspective on the issue for me.
    Thought id share it since it brings compelling insight to OP's thread.

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