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    Hi ladies,

    So for awhile I've been skeptical on what is going on here...Care to share some thoughts with me on this?

    So I have been dancing for a bit now and travel dance as well. I am naturally friendly and sometime have a problem of being too nice and sweet sounding. For work, I try my best to hide this after learning from experience that the less I talk and more conceited I look, the more sales I close. Sometime I would go in to work forgetting this, then when I approach customers with my friendly, down- to-earth attitude for dances, they almost always would say later..... WHEN I turn on my quiet, sexy, conceited look approaching customers, they almost always would say yes. Another thing I have to remember is never to ask for their names first unless they ask for mine....Almost always when I ask for their names, it's bound to be a no for dances.

    Is anyone else going through the same thing? Or is it just me? What do you think the psychological logic behind this is? I just don't get it, because alot of thread in hustle hut suggest the way to make more money is to build a rapport with customers....Does it have something to do with me having an innocent look as well (I've been all the times)?

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    I don't know. There are a lot of girls at my club who literally go up, tell the customer their name and then ask for a dance. That doesn't work of me. I've tried it and it just doesn't work. I have to talk to them for a bit and build a rapport for them to dance with me.

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    I always let the customer do most of the talking and just guide the conversation with questions and supplementary comments. I find many men who visit the club are of the persuasion that women are best seen, not heard, and talking too much about yourself just gets you friend zoned. There are, of course, exceptions, but even the chatty customers prefer the sound of their own voice and often just want a sounding board. So, yeah, I can see how you talking too much could turn customers off from dances -- they're generally not there to get to know the pretty naked girls.

    I also don't tend to introduce myself or ask for their name. My name is fake anyway and I don't care what theirs is. If they offer their name, I do use it during our conversation a lot. I read somewhere that everyone's favourite word is their own name, and while I'm not sure how true that is, it doesn't seem to hurt!

    Some will ask for my name, often once we've finished up with our dances, and that's usually a sign that they want to see me again (aka potential regular), so I'll ask for theirs at that point and say something silly about how I'm so bad at introducing myself teehee.


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    When I work in upscale clubs I chat with potential VIP customers for a song or two before offering. If I get the sense someone is on a limited budget, though, I say hi and offer a dance really quickly. When you chat too long (especially with a limited buyer) it gives the impression that you're either desperate or genuinely enjoy their company. Neither situation particularly inspires spending. I'm all about building rapport, but it's a two way street -- they have to spend first.

    In dives, though, a ton of the customers need to be gently coaxed out of their $20s so I wind up chatting for 1/2-2 songs depending on the vibe I'm getting. Still, I try to avoid being over the top nice until they hand over $$. This way they feel rewarded for spending, or at the very least understand that my affection comes AFTER $$, not before.


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    I never thought about that until now. You're so right...especially with limited buyers, if i come off too nice and catering, it looks like I'm desperate or actually enjoy their company. In turn, my value in their eyes goes down.

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    When I work in upscale clubs I chat with potential VIP customers for a song or two before offering. If I get the sense someone is on a limited budget, though, I say hi and offer a dance really quickly. When you chat too long (especially with a limited buyer) it gives the impression that you're either desperate or genuinely enjoy their company. Neither situation particularly inspires spending. I'm all about building rapport, but it's a two way street -- they have to spend first.

    In dives, though, a ton of the customers need to be gently coaxed out of their $20s so I wind up chatting for 1/2-2 songs depending on the vibe I'm getting. Still, I try to avoid being over the top nice until they hand over $$. This way they feel rewarded for spending, or at the very least understand that my affection comes AFTER $$, not before.

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    Definitely friend zoned is not where I want to be at lol. I should always remember customers come in the clubs needing our attention as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    I always let the customer do most of the talking and just guide the conversation with questions and supplementary comments. I find many men who visit the club are of the persuasion that women are best seen, not heard, and talking too much about yourself just gets you friend zoned. There are, of course, exceptions, but even the chatty customers prefer the sound of their own voice and often just want a sounding board. So, yeah, I can see how you talking too much could turn customers off from dances -- they're generally not there to get to know the pretty naked girls.

    I also don't tend to introduce myself or ask for their name. My name is fake anyway and I don't care what theirs is. If they offer their name, I do use it during our conversation a lot. I read somewhere that everyone's favourite word is their own name, and while I'm not sure how true that is, it doesn't seem to hurt!

    Some will ask for my name, often once we've finished up with our dances, and that's usually a sign that they want to see me again (aka potential regular), so I'll ask for theirs at that point and say something silly about how I'm so bad at introducing myself teehee.

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    you gotta walk a fine line between looking like an over-friendly push-over and being friendzoned, and seeming like a money-hungry cold bitch. it depends on the kind of club you work at and the customer. give them a time limit though..and above all, if its working for you keep doing it!!

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    It depends on my mood/time of the month. If bills are paid I'm pretty languid. "Hey how are you?" (giggles, jiggle money makers) etc. If I've got a deadline I'm more aggressive and.def a bitch.
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    Granted I'm extremely new, but I've actually made waaaaaay more money off talking rather than dancing. My two really good nights actually I made 90% of what I took home off a single person who I gave one dance too. The rest of the time they were paying me for conversation. And I did talk a lot, but it was pretty equal 50/50 exchange and I made them fall in love with me. I don't know how this strategy will work in the long run? Maybe I should focus more on wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am dances.

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    I'm the money hungry cold bitch type and guys seem to like it lol

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    I always get told how I'm "too nice to be here" and "much nicer than the other girls". Sometimes I will hook a big spender with this, who is convinced I am his dream girl and he is going to sweep me off my feet OTC. But I usually try to combine being friendly with being 'naughty' too.

    This thread reminds me of the book Why Men Love Bitches: from doormat to dreamgirl. I think just the title of that book conveys a lot about the psyche of (some) men. It would be interesting to apply that theory to our line of work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormi Weather View Post
    Granted I'm extremely new, but I've actually made waaaaaay more money off talking rather than dancing. My two really good nights actually I made 90% of what I took home off a single person who I gave one dance too. The rest of the time they were paying me for conversation. And I did talk a lot, but it was pretty equal 50/50 exchange and I made them fall in love with me. I don't know how this strategy will work in the long run? Maybe I should focus more on wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am dances.
    Were you talking on the floor or in the back where dances are done? World of difference once the clock is running! But there are indeed customers who seek companionship and prefer conversation to dances, you just have to know what to look for lest you ramble to someone who just wants some t&a.

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    Now that I think about it, I've always been too nice and so I'm sure they think I'm desperate or of lesser value... but guys ALSO don't want to spend money if you come off like you only care about the money, they want to feel like you want them for more than that. (But maybe that's just what the desperate broke customers want you to think?) I'll have to try out this hustle

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    I make the most money when I don't sit and talk to customers. I'm finding trying to seduce them more exhausting then finding out if they are buying right off the bat. It makes me look desirable because I'm constantly up and about selling or talking to the guys and I feel less foolish than if I had sat with someone for 15 minutes who did not buy. That's potentially $60 right there. When I make money, I'm in a good mood and don't let any "no" get to me because the next guy will say yes. It's constant easy hustle, yes after yes after yes and I'm working the whole room when I do it. I'm definitely not friendly, but I am fun and I don't give a shit about your life unless you are spending money on me.

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    The best hustlers are the same way, money for my time or I'm gone, unless they are hustling big spending regulars in which case they are talking.

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    i think everyone has their own hustle. my hustle is not the " wanna dance" and closing in 5 minutes. i'm not the kind of girl who goes up to every guy in the room and gets one or two dances, im the kind that charms one or two guys and empties their pockets. to me, that's just work smarter, not harder.

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    Most of them are too busy drooling.at my tits to warrant conversation.
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    I agree with the OP. "Silence is Golden!" Learned that the hard way, and now that I cam full time, it's especially true.
    They only get my attention when I'm in private with them.
    otherwise, they will just stay and talk, just like in the club, and then never spend money, but In my mind, the time is always ticking. Time is the one thing You can't get back!
    In private party dancing, I talk more, because I've already been paid by my agency, so I can relax, and just have fun.

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    It's such a major pet peeve of mine when I make a sales pitch and then wait, and it's silent, and they look at me, and then ask me a random ass question like "how old are you?" or "where are you from?". I still haven't come up with a good response to this tactic, and often find myself getting mad at those customers. I'm usually really good at keeping my cool, but it is just so rude when someone asks you a direct question or makes a direct offer to change the subject. It's such a control tactic in my opinion, and I really don't like it. And when I'm mad like that, I don't know how to act best. At first I'd just stare at them as if I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, and that really didn't work. Sometimes I'll tell them I'll answer their questions on our way to our dance, but that usually doesn't work either. I might try a more, "oh baby I wish I could stay and chat and get to know you, but I've got to know your answer first," with the unspoken "or I'll be moving along."

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    Quote Originally Posted by deni.dee View Post
    It's such a major pet peeve of mine when I make a sales pitch and then wait, and it's silent, and they look at me, and then ask me a random ass question like "how old are you?" or "where are you from?". I still haven't come up with a good response to this tactic, and often find myself getting mad at those customers. I'm usually really good at keeping my cool, but it is just so rude when someone asks you a direct question or makes a direct offer to change the subject. It's such a control tactic in my opinion, and I really don't like it. And when I'm mad like that, I don't know how to act best. At first I'd just stare at them as if I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, and that really didn't work. Sometimes I'll tell them I'll answer their questions on our way to our dance, but that usually doesn't work either. I might try a more, "oh baby I wish I could stay and chat and get to know you, but I've got to know your answer first," with the unspoken "or I'll be moving along."
    Yes that is super annoying! It happens mostly with guys who don't want to spend money at that moment. I just smile and walk away at that point because if I stay to answer their endless stream of questions it will go nowhere. I need to save my breath for better prospects. Occasionally the same guy will grab me for a dance later in the night when they get that I'm not there to play 20 questions with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deni.dee View Post
    It's such a major pet peeve of mine when I make a sales pitch and then wait, and it's silent, and they look at me, and then ask me a random ass question like "how old are you?" or "where are you from?". I still haven't come up with a good response to this tactic, and often find myself getting mad at those customers. I'm usually really good at keeping my cool, but it is just so rude when someone asks you a direct question or makes a direct offer to change the subject. It's such a control tactic in my opinion, and I really don't like it. And when I'm mad like that, I don't know how to act best. At first I'd just stare at them as if I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, and that really didn't work. Sometimes I'll tell them I'll answer their questions on our way to our dance, but that usually doesn't work either. I might try a more, "oh baby I wish I could stay and chat and get to know you, but I've got to know your answer first," with the unspoken "or I'll be moving along."
    Just walk away. They are trying to get as much as possible without spending and will just waste your time.

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    Yep, I feel the same, if I am too friendly or happy and I show it,I don't close sales either.. The other day I had to catch myself, I was so freakin happy IDK y but I was so I was talking wayyy too much and nobody wanted a dance so I had to make an effort to stop offing talking so I did and sold dances... IDK what it is about the no talk hustle that works so well for me too..

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    Great thread! This is an ongoing issue for me. I'm totally aware that I need to keep my mouth shut more often…. I have the tendency to get a bit philosophical or existential about something random and it just blurts out… At first, I'm doing great, listening and smiling flirting then outta no where I go off on a tangent and at that moment I literally see the dollar bill signs above his head explode all over my face.

    At the same time, I don't want to come off as boring and disinterested. There is a fine line certainly. Men aren't there for a psych evaluation or a TEDtalk presentation. (I should head my own advice) I find sticking to questions that get them to talk or that are about them work best. Seem interested in their chat, then close it inconspicuously.

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    I've found that either method works. You have to read the customer. Some people really do just want to chat (of course, don't sit for free, but give them some time to realize how much fun you are before you set your rate.) Other people really do love just being told "We're going to dance now."

    I think making them ask your name first is a good idea-it kind of sets the tone that they are at least somewhat interested in getting to know what you are about.

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    Appearing too approachable makes the man think that he doesn't have to "work" at all to get you to like him. And for the customer, "work" = paying money. If we're too approachable, we're making it seem like our camaraderie is unconditional. But we need it to be conditional in order to get them to want to spend money on us.

    Finding the balance between "I genuinely like you for who you are" and "you have to pay me to pay attention to you" is very tough. It's such an individual thing! Some guys need more of the unconditional bit to encourage them to spend their money, and other guys need more of the conditional part to inspire them to spend their money. That's something you have to feel out quickly with each customer.

    Variables that need to be taken into consideration with the "talk less" hustle: the city (big city, small city, rural), the club (dive, mid-tier, upscale), the customer, the time of day / night, how many customers are in the club, etc.

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