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    Something that I discovered kind of on accident this weekend (then when I realized what happened I kept dong it successfully) was to do my usual hi, how are you doing, where are you from spiel for about two minutes. Then kind of look at them blankly for like five seconds, then start playing on my phone. 9/10 they would ask me for a dance within 30 seconds.

    The first time it happened (on accident/without planning), i just bluntly stopped taking to him cuz he didn't seem like he was going to get a dance and I got a text, which at that point, I was obviously more interested in. I usually don't get on my phone around customers cuz I I think it's rude but I really didn't care at that point. He asked me for a dance and I was like sure! He ended up getting 3 (the club I work at is mostly stage money and customers rarely get dances so that's pretty significant)

    I think the reason why this worked for me all night was because I came up to them and was nice and they're thinking ok, nice innocent seeming girl who's gonna chat me up for free until she drops the dreaded dance question on me after ten to twenty minutes (that's how most girls do it there, it's not a "wanna dance" club). Then when I randomly stop talking and ignore them, but I'm still sitting there, I'm just more interested in my phone than them, they are confused. They want to know how to get my attention back. I've made it obvious at that point that I'm not interested in small talk. The only surefire way to keep MY attention at that point is to give me money.

    This worked every time that night except once. Every guy got at least one dance, and one guy was just like "here's a 20 if you want to sit and chat for a bit". After about two minutes one guy didn't say ANYTHING so I just sighed and got up and said "well if you want a dance later you know where to find me" (politely) and then he apologized profusely for not having enough for a dance and finished his drunk and left.

    I can't wait to try this again next time I work. It puts them in an awkward position that they feel the need to fix. Let me know your thoughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss1dancypants View Post

    I can't wait to try this again next time I work. It puts them in an awkward position that they feel the need to fix. Let me know your thoughts
    Bahaha. Definitely wouldn't work every time for everyone in every club (no hustle does), but in the right club and with convincing delivery, it does seem cruelly genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    I don't know. There are a lot of girls at my club who literally go up, tell the customer their name and then ask for a dance. That doesn't work of me. I've tried it and it just doesn't work. I have to talk to them for a bit and build a rapport for them to dance with me.
    Yea thats how I am too. I have to talk to guys for a bit and then I ask...even after the dance, I keep.coming back to.say hi, to let them see it ISNT just about the money for me (its a LARGE part, but building a repior with them for them to keep.coming back is important to me) and and they always remember me when they come back to my club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss1dancypants View Post
    Something that I discovered kind of on accident this weekend (then when I realized what happened I kept dong it successfully) was to do my usual hi, how are you doing, where are you from spiel for about two minutes. Then kind of look at them blankly for like five seconds, then start playing on my phone. 9/10 they would ask me for a dance within 30 seconds.

    The first time it happened (on accident/without planning), i just bluntly stopped taking to him cuz he didn't seem like he was going to get a dance and I got a text, which at that point, I was obviously more interested in. I usually don't get on my phone around customers cuz I I think it's rude but I really didn't care at that point. He asked me for a dance and I was like sure! He ended up getting 3 (the club I work at is mostly stage money and customers rarely get dances so that's pretty significant)

    I think the reason why this worked for me all night was because I came up to them and was nice and they're thinking ok, nice innocent seeming girl who's gonna chat me up for free until she drops the dreaded dance question on me after ten to twenty minutes (that's how most girls do it there, it's not a "wanna dance" club). Then when I randomly stop talking and ignore them, but I'm still sitting there, I'm just more interested in my phone than them, they are confused. They want to know how to get my attention back. I've made it obvious at that point that I'm not interested in small talk. The only surefire way to keep MY attention at that point is to give me money.

    This worked every time that night except once. Every guy got at least one dance, and one guy was just like "here's a 20 if you want to sit and chat for a bit". After about two minutes one guy didn't say ANYTHING so I just sighed and got up and said "well if you want a dance later you know where to find me" (politely) and then he apologized profusely for not having enough for a dance and finished his drunk and left.

    I can't wait to try this again next time I work. It puts them in an awkward position that they feel the need to fix. Let me know your thoughts
    I do something similar sometimes, when Im on my way to dressing room, toilet, stage etc, I see a guy and introduce myself ask and tell them see you later, have a good night etc, then go on my way, most times when I come back to them they have a dance.
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    Whats the deal with guys not even looking you in your eye when you're speaking to them? SO FUCKING RUDE!! It makes me feel ugly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by deni.dee View Post
    It's such a major pet peeve of mine when I make a sales pitch and then wait, and it's silent, and they look at me, and then ask me a random ass question like "how old are you?" or "where are you from?". I still haven't come up with a good response to this tactic, and often find myself getting mad at those customers. I'm usually really good at keeping my cool, but it is just so rude when someone asks you a direct question or makes a direct offer to change the subject. It's such a control tactic in my opinion, and I really don't like it. And when I'm mad like that, I don't know how to act best. At first I'd just stare at them as if I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, and that really didn't work. Sometimes I'll tell them I'll answer their questions on our way to our dance, but that usually doesn't work either. I might try a more, "oh baby I wish I could stay and chat and get to know you, but I've got to know your answer first," with the unspoken "or I'll be moving along."
    Wow it's odd how all of this seems to be camming now. Especially MFC customers. I'm so sick and tired of members turning the conversation onto something that's so not important. Yes all of this is a control tactic because they are either broke or they are trying to pull more attention for $0.

    I just get them back onto the business at hand and say "hmm so you don't want to private I suppose" . That usually shuts them up and then I go well let me know and ignore them. They either A. run off to find someone else they can talk to death or B. they pony up and do something.

    I just realized how mad these types make me because usually drop them off my friend's list or as I've come to recognize i get the "fuck you bitch tip". Like they give me 100 tokens and then get quiet or say they're about to leave ....

    I got caught up a few times because honestly I'm not always thinking about what stupid game some new crusty guy is trying to pull.

    I remember a member used to do the same he would tip and do privates and then got into just hanging out broke for hours then saying he was going off to bed. I'm thinking wait did you just sit in my room for 5 hours talking about bullshit that doesn't turn anyone on? So instead I ignored him for a while and waited until I heard the chime of tokens. Once I heard the chime is when I'd acknowledged him. It's so annoying to have to play petty childlike games like this but it appears there's no other way. So I had him trained for a while until I had to rinse and repeat the same tactic again.

    Another member I have is this way but he's 100% broke and has been for months so he's turned nasty in free chat. Usually he comes in to argue or pretend he doesn't have audio to try and see if he can make me type. I just ignore his presence now and pretend he doesn't exist. When he comes in I ban him and do that especially when my chat pics up with new people.

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    Ohh wow I just recall just this last week. This one guy eww he creeps me out. He came jumped in my pm and announced "I'm relaxing today" like isn't that why you're here anyways? Lol. So I'm thinking ok where is he going with this. Then he starts grilling me for personal information I tell him it's none of his business, brought up my topic , he ignored me and started bringing up some T.V. show, then went back to you know "this is how I like things, getting to know models" and I thought yeah umm whatever "control, control, control,". Then he starts being slick with where are you broadcasting from ? I just did the "everywhere apparently lol I don't like guys like this because everything with them is about how to push boundaries. They Make Me Sick.

    Also the "I can leave if you want me to" as if I care either way when the guy is broke. I tell them ooh you can leave if you want to.. Bye.. Then I get the 'well most models will tell me to leave because I'm not spending but some are nice". It's like oohhh here we go with more stupid mind games. I then repeat it's ok I'll have someone else keep me company bye!. I really want to say please go die in a fire.

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    Everything I could contribute has already been said, but I just wanna say this is a really great thread. Thanks, girls.

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    All of my conversations, regardless of whether they start with Hi how ya doing, or something more seductive revolve are building the foundation towards asking for a lapdance. I could type is all out..but I'm lazy.

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    I've noticed a very definite increase in my $$ when I talk less! I will sit by a customer, say "Hi", make heavy eye contact and wait. Sometimes they will immediately go for a dance right then! More often they will start the conversation and then go for a dance. I don't get it, but then I started thinking about it......When I go out to a bar, if I even talk to a guy at all it's minimal. He has to 'win me over' by making conversation, entertaining me and buying me drinks. I feel like when I talk less, it makes them slightly uncomfortable and puts them into that 'pursuit mode.' They don't want to lose favor with me so they spend. It's just a theory...but whatever the reason it definitely works! (at least for me!) I do talk more with sweet guys, especially Indian guys, but I make it all about them. I talk about myself as little as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lol1337a View Post
    When I work in upscale clubs I chat with potential VIP customers for a song or two before offering. If I get the sense someone is on a limited budget, though, I say hi and offer a dance really quickly. When you chat too long (especially with a limited buyer) it gives the impression that you're either desperate or genuinely enjoy their company. Neither situation particularly inspires spending. I'm all about building rapport, but it's a two way street -- they have to spend first.
    It is pretty tough to close a 30-60 min show in just a couple of minutes. Usually, I have to spend at least 15 minutes seducing guys into the VIP. If you feel like you have a good rapport with a customer, see if you can get him to ask you for dances. Clubs that offer rooms will have a slower hustle overall. The customer expect the dancer to sit with him for a bit, have a drink and some conversation, before committing to $500+ on a dancer.

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    This does actually work for me too. If i run through a few questions and the guy isn't chatty, or I just lose interest in chatting, I will start watching the stage and absentmindedly stroking their back. At least 80% of the time, they start asking questions to get my attention back and many just ask for a dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    It is pretty tough to close a 30-60 min show in just a couple of minutes. Usually, I have to spend at least 15 minutes seducing guys into the VIP. If you feel like you have a good rapport with a customer, see if you can get him to ask you for dances. Clubs that offer rooms will have a slower hustle overall. The customer expect the dancer to sit with him for a bit, have a drink and some conversation, before committing to $500+ on a dancer.
    So far I seduced my biggest spenders by chatting for 5 minutes when they first come in. I know they (usually) won't be ready yet, so I excuse myself and come back 15 mins later or so. We chat a little more and then I close the sale...but I do that with a lot of customers anyway and usually at least get multiple dances. I plant little seeds all over the club and wait for them to grow into $ plants. I'm still not so great at predicting who will spend a lot. It's usually someone that I have instant "chemistry" with, like our personalities jive..Or someone who just really likes my look. I feel like I don't have much control over it ...

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    Different things work for different people, but what works best for me in room clubs is scanning the floor for customers who give me that spendy vibe, and pitching VIP within two or three songs max if they haven't brought it up already. I don't want to deal with customers who require more time than that before a big sale or those who want to get test dances from a million girls before choosing who they take to a room. There are just too many impulsive men who want to part with their cash ASAP (in my area at least) to justify settling for me.

    And the best part of this hustle IME is that these guys are almost expecting to be disappointed in the room -- it makes sense considering how lazy most salespeople become when they know they have an easy mark. So that's when I do my best to surprise them by building rapport and giving them a great experience. They're the most likely customers to stay and tip.

    It has taken me a long time to sniff out money accurately enough to rely on this hustle, though. I can't really articulate what things tip me off, it's just intuitive.

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