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    So I have a reoccurring question. It seems like most of the women on here are about making the most per hour, which makes sense that's pretty much the way I allocate my time at my job as well. Which would mean tipping for time or stage tips would be the most appreciated since you aren't getting taxed by the house. But... I often find that women want to move to situations where they are getting taxed which conflicts.

    So I figure I'll ask. Given the choice between:
    1. A $100 pure time tip for an hour with an expectation of being romantic and touchy feely on the floor for an hour.
    2. A "make it rain" stage tip of $100 either before or after sitting with the guy for an hour
    3. 10 minutes 2 $20 lap dances, 20 minutes 3 $20 lap dances and then 15 minutes of talking.
    4. 30 minutes before, a 15min $100 special dance room session and 15 minutes after
    5. $200 / 30min VIP after an hour selling and a half hour after.
    What's the preference and why? Does the pattern change at say $300 for 2hrs?

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    LOL, it's sweet that you have a vested interest in making sure the dancer keeps 100% of the profits, but your expectation of the amount of time $100 entitles you to are so high that it's borderline insulting.

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    Maybe it's just me, but I would never, EVER allow option 2 to happen; seriously, sitting with the dude for an HOUR? How does the girl know he's going to tip after?

    I also cannot see 5 ever happening because I don't dick around with customers for an hour; they need to make up their minds about the room within 20 minutes. If I have to spend an hour convincing them to buy, and then a half hour after the VIP, plus I'm getting charged for the VIP, a big part of that depends on the club's take... If the club is taking $60 of that (just ballpark what my club charged for half an hour), that cuts me down to $70 an hour.

    Personally I would prefer 1, if it is stated up front that it's for an hour of hanging out on the floor and my boundaries are outlined, since that is purely my money.

    But overall it depends on if there are other potential customers in the club, how big of a pain in the ass you're being, and how tolerant I'm feeling. If it's jam-packed Sapphire LV on Friday night style, no way Jose am I going to sit for options 1,2, 4 or 5 when I can be rapid fire hustling for $20 every 5-6 minutes. If it's a Tuesday afternoon, I might hang out for any of these options, obviously preferring 1 since it's not taxed by the house and I'm not doing any physical work.
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    Selina, thanks for the answer.

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    Maybe it's just me, but I would never, EVER allow option 2 to happen; seriously, sitting with the dude for an HOUR? How does the girl know he's going to tip after?
    I was going to tip before, on #1 either $50 + 50 or $100 outright first thing. If you don't know me you can't trust me. That's understood. But good point I should have said that, you know either from experience or because of the order things are happening in the money is coming.

    Also I also should have said, I'm always a dead time customer. I virtually am never there on a Friday or Saturday night. Those are your money nights which means my nights to be finding other entertainment. Even if I'm free I don't bother favorites on those nights. If I did I'd pick one where the girls don't know me, I don't want to put regular dancers in what they think is an awkward position where there long and short term interest conflict. Sapphire LV is a more expensive club so also go ahead and boost all those figures by 50% for that club.

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    My rules for tipping are: "Tip generously and tip often".

    Beyond that, bring CASH. Pay with CASH. Have CASH on hand. Save ATM fees by coming in with CASH and spend as much as your heart desires. If you are concerned about clubs taking a cut, use CASH. Some clubs will still take a percentage... but it is still a smaller percentage than the cut they take out if dancers turn in funny money.

    "Touchy feely" stuff is not always permitted on the floor... but if the club and dancers are okay with it... what can I say? It sounds as though you are actually talking about paying for dance-blocks/rooms rather than "tipping" (unless you mean that you pay the room fee, dancer fee, and then tip on top of that). Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

    To answer your question, it really depends on the club. Option #1 doesn't make as much sense if the club is busy and a gal can get dance-after-dance reliably. If a song usually lasts 3.5 minutes... and we factor in introductions/formalities/getting dressed afterwards, we can say each dance (for an individual, brand new customer) takes roughly 6 minutes. At the rate of $20 per song, a girl could get 10 dances per hour... which adds up to $200. So to me, $100 seems somewhat low... unless you are there during a very slow time. Even then, $150+ seems far more fair for undivided attention. You don't want your girl scanning the room for better opportunities. Pay her well so that she pays more attention to YOU.
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    Even if you come in on a slow weeknight, that's still not enough money for an hour of undivided attention. In fact at many clubs dancers do just as well during the week because there are less of them showing up on slow shifts so the dancer:customer ratio is still favorable. Furthermore, generally customers who come in during the week are there to spend, whereas the weekend crowd tends to be a lot of groups where not everyone is interested in dances/VIPs.

    That said, I agree with Sophia-cash is king! And $200/hr is much more fair for hanging out on the floor. Otherwise your dancer is going to provide half assed company while scanning the floor for other potential customers, and probably ditch you early. Or, you will attract dancers who are young and inexperienced, and they won't be as fun to hang out with as the pros.

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    I understand the point that #1, 2, 3, and 4 are all the same amount of money for exactly the same amount of time, but they're for different activities so the dancer's cut will be higher (possibly much higher) for 1 & 2 than 3 & 4. I think the money level you've cited is distracting from the main question since it's so low for, say, a busy nightshift; though at the club I go to, 2pm-3pm on a Monday afternoon, most girls would be happy with the numbers you cited.

    Anyway, I tend to play around with these games after I've already gotten to know the girl, she knows how much I spend and trusts me. Conversations like, "I'm always here for an hour, I always spend $150, how about I give you the $150 to flirt&grope on the floor the entire hour and you keep it all, instead of me spending $150 on dances over the same hour and then the club takes $40 of that?" tend to be very well-received after we get to know each other. A girl who doesn't know me might rather take the bird in hand, as it were

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    If dances cost $20 per song, at 3-4 mins each, 1 hour would be 15-20 dances or $300-$400. Even if the club took HALF of it, she's making $150-$200, plus tips. If she is a hustler, she can make a lot more doing dances. If it were super dead or someone wanted to be lazy, someone might take you up on it though.

    Personally, I charged $5 extra per song (during lapdances only) if someone wanted to touch my breasts, so I would have $100 after 20 mins (5 dances) instead of being groped on the floor for an hour. I never sat with anyone for that long unless they were regulars.

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    Maybe things are different in other clubs but there is no "groping on the floor" going on in any of the clubs or with any of the dancers that I'm a regular with. In Providence especially the house mother or the manager will tell the dancer to take it to the dance area if they see any sort of petting that goes beyond a dancer sitting on a guys lap for a few minutes to entice him into the dance booths.

    The $100 for an hour benchmark won't cut it with most of my regs either-not even the ones who work the day shift. That being said, spending an hour in VIP on a slow afternoon will quite often get me an hour or two of talk time in between a fave's other customers. It's a roll of the dice depending on how busy it is. That being said talk time is fun and not that uncommon considering that I am friendly with a few of these girls outside of the club but it's not the reason I go in. I like dances and when my regulars see me they have a pretty good idea what I am going to be spending on them.
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    Let's say you were actually offering an amount that I felt was fair for an hour of my time to begin with.

    Even though I get to keep all the money you give me if I choose option 1, I could actually lose money after you leave because every customer in the club will have seen me dote on you forever with no obvious exchange of money. They have no idea what you spent, and chances are they will lowball their estimate. Many customers will feel entitled to receive the same treatment for even less money than I received from you and it could kill my profits for the rest of the night.

    Option 2 is better, but still less than ideal because not every customer will be watching the stage. Because of this, I would probably choose 3, 4, or 5 to sustain the impression that I'm in demand and must be paid for my time.

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    I'm curious as to why you feel so entitled to free time after spending money. Dancers sit with customers for the purpose of selling dances/VIPs or getting tips, and the general convention is that once the transaction has ended, the dancer moves on to the next customer. Very few simply hang out after the fact when there is no clear indication that more is forthcoming, yet you expect the dancer to do so in all but the first option -- though I assume that's because you're establishing with the dancer that she gets $x for y amount of time. Are these all situations which you regularly encounter? Hanging out after just doesn't really factor in to the equation, but perhaps that's just my personal experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    I'm curious as to why you feel so entitled to free time after spending money. Dancers sit with customers for the purpose of selling dances/VIPs or getting tips, and the general convention is that once the transaction has ended, the dancer moves on to the next customer. Very few simply hang out after the fact when there is no clear indication that more is forthcoming
    I was mainly asking about the issue of how they would rather get paid. Radius was right about the issue. From my perspective I'm burning through $400-700 for around 4-5 hrs during a time when the club is semi-dead to dead. Odds are very high she's doing better with me then she would just working the floor. This would be a good shift (adjust the number up to make it a good shift at a higher end club). So more is forthcoming until I leave. Once a dancer gets to know me she knows I'm just going to tip hundreds at the end of the night and we aren't playing those games. But for the first few sessions if more isn't forthcoming at some point:
    1. She's got a better prospect, generally a regular who spends. Which does happen. I'm looking for fun at a reasonable price I understand the dancers would rather play with guys who are willing to spend for slightly more fun at a way higher price. I don't begrudge her doing a quick 4 lap dances with someone, taking down $100 in a 1/2 hour. If she's moving on longer then... we may or may not play another day depending on how it went.
    2. I'm satisfied for the day.
    3. I'm moving on to another dancer for the night, which likely means I'm either moving on forever, or less likely she becomes a "get a few dances from her but nothing more".


    So yes more is forthcoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radius View Post
    I understand the point that #1, 2, 3, and 4 are all the same amount of money for exactly the same amount of time, but they're for different activities so the dancer's cut will be higher (possibly much higher) for 1 & 2 than 3 & 4. I think the money level you've cited is distracting from the main question since it's so low for, say, a busy nightshift; though at the club I go to, 2pm-3pm on a Monday afternoon, most girls would be happy with the numbers you cited.

    Anyway, I tend to play around with these games after I've already gotten to know the girl, she knows how much I spend and trusts me. Conversations like, "I'm always here for an hour, I always spend $150, how about I give you the $150 to flirt&grope on the floor the entire hour and you keep it all, instead of me spending $150 on dances over the same hour and then the club takes $40 of that?" tend to be very well-received after we get to know each other. A girl who doesn't know me might rather take the bird in hand, as it were
    Radius exactly! So you are noticing the same thing. Though I've never been quite that direct in a club, which maybe I should try. You would think they would want something (in your scenario) like a $50 tip at the top of every 20 minutes rather than getting taxed on the $150. I was looking for responses as to why they wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightwish View Post
    I'm looking for fun at a reasonable price I understand the dancers would rather play with guys who are willing to spend for slightly more fun at a way higher price.
    That sums up the customer/dancer dynamic pretty well. This isn't really the place to expect dancers to tell you how little they will settle for.
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    Let's say you were actually offering an amount that I felt was fair for an hour of my time to begin with. ...

    Even though I get to keep all the money you give me if I choose option 1, I could actually lose money after you leave because every customer in the club will have seen me dote on you forever with no obvious exchange of money. They have no idea what you spent, and chances are they will lowball their estimate. Many customers will feel entitled to receive the same treatment for even less money than I received from you and it could kill my profits for the rest of the night.

    Option 2 is better, but still less than ideal because not every customer will be watching the stage. Because of this, I would probably choose 3, 4, or 5 to sustain the impression that I'm in demand and must be paid for my time.
    @lol1337a that makes sense. Thank you! Do the customers really watch each other that strongly? I'm rather oblivious to how much dancers are getting from other guys unless they are making sure I know they are spending a ton by showing off, but I might be an exception. So in your mind the extra time wasting the floor play causes taxes your time enough to make the pure dance propositions a better deal? Makes sense though I'm surprised other customers are that aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    My rules for tipping are: "Tip generously and tip often".
    Sophia, thanks for the answer. That's expensive, I'm just doing an hourly rate thing. The more generous the less often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Beyond that, bring CASH. Pay with CASH. Have CASH on hand. Save ATM fees by coming in with CASH and spend as much as your heart desires. If you are concerned about clubs taking a cut, use CASH. Some clubs will still take a percentage... but it is still a smaller percentage than the cut they take out if dancers turn in funny money.
    I agree and great advice. I'm floored sometimes how the club can be charging 25% or more for credit cards. And of course they are often double dipping charging the customer and the dancer onerous fees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    "Touchy feely" stuff is not always permitted on the floor.
    Yeah clubs are all over the place on that one. I've seen clubs where lap dances are on the floor. I've seen clubs where the dancers can sometimes get away with more on the floor since there are cameras in the rooms. And other places are rather strict about what can happen on the floor. Obviously if being touchy feely on the floor isn't an option than either they have a reasonably hourly VIP or the club is just beyond my means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    To answer your question, it really depends on the club. Option #1 doesn't make as much sense if the club is busy and a gal can get dance-after-dance reliably.
    As I said below I'm assuming she can't. If she can get dance after dance reliable then I'm likely not there. But even if I were you would need to adjust the numbers up high enough to compensate. Your $200 / hr seems reasonable under those conditions. The same options would apply but with less floor time. So for example 15 minutes 4 laps, 15 minutes 4 laps + tips.

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    You don't want your girl scanning the room for better opportunities. Pay her well so that she pays more attention to YOU.
    I get your point that it doesn't make sense to squeeze to the point the dancer thinks she's being ripped off. That being said, heck, I have and I will again dump good clients for better ones. I'm white, middle aged, wear a Brooks Brothers style french cuff shirt, a wedding ring and stay away from the most expensive clubs most of the time. I have many hundreds in my wallet and I'm playing at the kind of clubs where $200 buys the VIP room for 30 minutes. But I ain't Justin Bieber ready to drop $75k in a club on a single night. My current regular knows I won't mess with her on high earning nights and I'll make sure she does way better than she otherwise likely would have on slowish nights. But if Justin Bieber comes in and thinks she's hot, have at it, see 'ya next week, no harm no foul.

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    The only time I would sit with someone for more than 20 minutes is if it was REALLY slow. The first couple hours of my shift were very slow last night so I sat with a guy for around a half hour. He tipped me $20 and then I left. I came back later and he did a dance and tipped me $60 for that. But that's very unusual, normally I don't bother with sitting with people for tips because I just make SO much more doing lap dances than I would there... I mean, I make $10 a minute doing lap dances, my club has 2 min songs that are $40 and I keep 50% after tipout/fees. So why would I bother sitting with someone for half an hour even if they are going to tip me $100?
    Plus it's unlikely my club would let me sit with someone for an hour. Even if it was slow they would probably call me to stage to give one of the other girls a chance to sit with him in the hopes he'd dance with her (and hence the club would make money).

    However, I don't mind being tipped on stage. I had a customer who used to come in when I first started dancing-- haven't seen him in years since I don't work in that club anymore. He wasn't into lap dances but he understood I couldn't hangout for long periods of time. He'd come to the club with $200/$300 and stay for about three hours. Everytime I came onstage he would tip me until it was all gone. In exchange I would just come and talk to him for 5 minutes maybe twice an hour and he would buy me drinks as well (I used to have to sell drinks at that club or I got charged). I didn't mind that at all-- I made $200-300 that I kept 100% of and it never messed up my business with other customers. If it was really slow sometimes I would spend more time with him, but never longer than 10 minutes.

    I think most dancers would be OK with the above, but an hour? Fuck that shit.

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    Noticed an older thread when I was looking for wingbowl information with the same topic: 2008 best way to tip thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightwish View Post
    I get your point that it doesn't make sense to squeeze to the point the dancer thinks she's being ripped off. That being said, heck, I have and I will again dump good clients for better ones. I'm white, middle aged, wear a Brooks Brothers style french cuff shirt, a wedding ring and stay away from the most expensive clubs most of the time.
    I'm a fan of french cuffs. Kudos to you. What sort of cufflinks do you wear? I think cufflinks are so spiffy.

    Beyond that, I was just posting the other day that well-off dudes have a penchant for avoiding the "uber-luxurious" clubs lately. Thank you for proving my point.
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    Jeeze... SW needs to make a pamphlet or infographic defining what is/isn't allowed. I've been on here for almost a decade under this user-name but I never read that bumping was a no-no.

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    Jeeze... SW needs to make a pamphlet or infographic defining what is/isn't allowed. I've been on here for almost a decade under this user-name but I never read that bumping was a no-no.

    No wonder I have so many infractions.... (none of which are for bumping, thankfully... but still, you know?).
    The Forum Rules section is a click of the mouse right at the top of the page. Everyone here has to sign off on them when they join. Older members had to sign-off when the new ownership took over. I will grant you that, as with a lot of moderation issues, it's a judgement call since the actual rule is that there is no bumping of posts allowed (Part of #4 in the Forum Rules section). I would never point anyone for bumping unless it was very clear that they were trying to start trouble. Fact is, I let a lot of old threads come back to life if the topic is interesting AND if most of the participants are still around. When it doesn't make sense is when the thread is old and most of the folks who participated in it are no longer here on SW. It just makes more sense to start a new thread when that is the case. What I will never do (speaking only for myself here) is tell people to use the search function and look a topic up rather than start new thread. I know it annoys some folks when the same topics come up over an over again but there is always new blood here and new opinions on a topic that may have come up before.
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    in all of your situations the tip would have to be upfront and in cash.

    also you sound way too demanding to be around so I'd expect constant drinks if you paid me to sit with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    in all of your situations the tip would have to be upfront and in cash.
    also you sound way too demanding to be around so I'd expect constant drinks if you paid me to sit with you.
    I'd expect before you know me upfront and cash. And unless this is one of those ladies drinks cost $30 places, sure you can drink as much as you like on my dime. Even if you have a dozen drinks over the course of the night that's still not much. And if it is a $30 drink places then often that's the charge the women expects for just company (though I don't see many of those anymore).

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