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    Default veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    oh man. i hate being that girl, asking a bunch of n00b questions. but the idea of camming is so bewildering to me--i wouldn't know where to start. at the club, i just shave the cooter, put on my shit and start. this camming stuff seems to require a ton of prep and technical skills.

    obviously, i've noticed that camming connection is the busiest part of SW, so there must be some money in it. that being said, however, it makes searching for information extremely daunting. i did already read some of the stickies at the top, but still feel pretty lost.

    would any of you be so kind as to give me some general ideas of what to expect financially so i can weigh it with what i'm making now? i know every site is different but what is an acceptable financial split with the site you work on? do your vaginas ever get tired from all the masturbating???

    better yet, can anyone recommend some links from SW that i should read?

    i want to think about this long and hard before i take the plunge. i carry a professional license in my state as well so i'm kind of concerned about privacy issues, which are probably more problematic being on the web than just dancing at some small club. but if i could work from home, and make good steady income, i don't think i'd ever leave my house again.

    again, sorry for being a pest but there is just so. much. information. plus, i think i should have some karma stashed away from all the advice i've given to newbs over on the dancing side.

    THANK YOU SO MUCH

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    I get the sense that the pay curve is a lot steeper for cam girls than for dancers - there are girls making $10k/month, but they're few and far between. And many of them are leveraging a porn background or something similar. $50-100/hour is doable, but most girls don't get that on a regular basis (possibly ever), and you probably won't start there.

    That said, I think it's also easier work in some significant ways. Masturbation can be made to look a lot more intense on cam than it actually is, which prevents too much wear and tear. Most of the time I find the hustle pretty laid-back. I basically roll around on my bed and chat between privates, and I do pretty well.

    There are threads about the risk of losing your license, depending on your field. It seems to be pretty hit-and-miss, but you should look for them and read them through.

    Girls get outed all the time. If it would ruin any relationships important to you, you should think very carefully about it.

    I think the "Camming ROCKS!" and "Camming SUCKS!" threads are great for long-stretch reads that'll give you a sense of the ups and downs of the business.

    Good luck!






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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabihah View Post
    There are threads about the risk of losing your license, depending on your field. It seems to be pretty hit-and-miss, but you should look for them and read them through.

    Girls get outed all the time. If it would ruin any relationships important to you, you should think very carefully about it.
    everyone i know, knows i'm a dancer, except my "professional" employers. fortunately they're all accepting of it. my boyfriend had a hard time with it originally, but understands now that i'm not quitting dancing for him or anyone. i wonder, if anyone has experienced both sides (dancing and camming), was it easier to tell your S.O. about dancing, or camping and why? i feel like dancing might be more difficult, because guys are directly in contact with you. then again, in camming, your vagina will be all over the internet--but you're only masturbating (at least most are). that would be my main issue. i don't know yet how i'm going to discuss this idea i've tossing around in my head.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    I would stick with dancing for now. A lot of cam sites are slow right now and are crowded with performers.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    i tried to do camming, but went right back to dancing. its apples and oranges, In my experience, its totally different! but then i have 0 computer/technical skills, i don't have much patience when it comes to making money while my kitty is all over, the taxes are STEEP, its on your record permanently, and its flooded with other performers. if a girl has an internet connection and a computer, she can cam. im used to going into work, and coming out with hundreds cash in hand, shift over, money in my pocket, wham bam thank you ma'am. camming takes SO much more preperation, skills, patience, every little thing down to lighting. its just less money for much more time until you get good and get regulars, etc. not something where its just easy money, in and out.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    simone, what do you mean by "on your record?" you mean via taxes? i've put "dancer" on my previous tax forms and have never had a problem with getting hired, even after EXTENSIVE background searches.

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    yes as well as it possibly ( probably?) being on the internet forever. i'm really trying to debate doing clips right now, but i've been fighting with myself and that's one of the main deterrents.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    yeah, i imagine if you sell clips of yourself, you no longer have the rights to how they're used...

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    or when someone records you without your concent

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    Im an introvert so although dancing may faster, larger amounts of money at times, camming works better for me. I usually cam 2-3 weeks out of the month and then I may travel somewhere and dance for a week or longer. I make good money consistently now, but with camming it takes time to build up a fan base, figure out your niches, etc. Its taken me over a year to figure out to how to make "good" money with camming but it works better for me because my SO although hes not the biggest fan of this job he more accepting of camming. If he ever found out I dance sometimes lol O_O i dont think he could handle that. But as the others mentioned you WILL end up plastered all over the internet, i dont plan on being famous or ever in the public eye so i dont care but to someone who plans to or really care about their image, that could be a deal breaker.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    Just my 2cents~ I've danced most of my adult life, and still do private parties through an agency.
    I've been camming a little over 3 years, and it's definitley more difficult in terms of the long hours You must put in, and not having the cash in hand at the end of a hard days/nights work.
    To have to depend on whether the cam site will pay on time, or if it will close up all of a sudden really has me on edge.
    Plus, be prepared for cyberbullying, by either other models, haters,or spammers, all day,,,, everyday.
    At least with dancing, You can visually see who is in the club, and can smell out the guys You can hustle.
    camming is a big crap shoot, and there are never any guarantees at all.
    If You've read some of the threads here, You will see that some days You will make close to nothing,after being on cam for hours, and other times You will make a lot in an hour or so.
    I don't miss driving to the club, and the smell of some of the customers though.
    I've become somewhat of a germaphobe throughout the years, so I would say camming is obviousy much safer to do.
    As far as others finding out I cam, I really don't care, because the last time I checked, I'm the only one responsible for my bills.
    Good luck whatever You decide to do.
    Please keep us posted.
    P.S. Camming is also great if You ever feel lonely, or isolated. The customers will always keep You amused.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    its just less money for much more time until you get good and get regulars, etc. not something where its just easy money, in and out.
    I agree w what I did not quote but once this level is reached, you are golden.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    Check your inbox I sent you a bunch of links that might help with weighing the pros and cons of camming, what to expect, most of the main camming sites' official threads so you can understand the nature of each big box site, how to protect yourself online, how to avoid scams, things to do in private chat, ways to promote yourself, etc so maybe you can get a better idea of what you'd be getting in to and decide if it's worth it for you.


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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    No commute.
    It is busy 24/7.
    You don't have to answer to a boss.
    No dealing with crazy strippers.
    No you have to be there at a certain time & can't leave early on a shift.
    No dj, no bouncer, no waitress, no manager to tip out at the end of the night.
    Nobody can follow you home.
    Nobody stealing your stuff.
    No sore feet from wearing heels all night.

    EVERYONE will find out.
    You lose privacy. (But then again with cell phones all having cameras, it is likely you are video taped & put on the web without your permission or knowledge.)
    Since all companies 1099 any & every back ground search will find it.
    Being a stripper is way more socially acceptable today than it was over 20 years ago when I danced. When you cam everyone shames you & will call you a porn star.

    It isn't all about masterbating, but about being entertaining. I can cam all day long & never fuck myself once. If you go into with that mentality & pull out the dildo & go to town every time you are in private you miss out on some great customers & big tippers who want sensuality, fun & flirting.

    Unlike a club that is dead, you can't leave & go to another one that night where it might be busy. With camming I can log off when the money runs out & log onto another one & bank.

    NO ONE can predict how much money you will make. 90% of new cam girls quit within the 1st 2 weeks. But since you danced in clubs you should know how to hustle.
    It is a crap shoot, just like walking into a new club. You won't know till you work there.

    With a club you are limited by how busy it is to the local area. Camming is WORLD WIDE WEB which means customers from all around the world. Every cam site has a different feel & hustle to it just like each club does.

    Yes, there is a lot of competition, but in the end you only compete with yourself. Like it or not you already compete with us. Men can go to the club or stay home to watch porn or log onto a cam site. I was NOT successful in this biz until I treated it like a strip club. lol

    Like in a club it can take only one customer to make your night.

    I find that girls who can hustle in a club have no problems adapting & hustling on cam.

    Technology is only learned by having no fear & diving in. You will learn more about computers, technology, social media marketing than you ever planned on, but to me that is a plus in today's market.

    Good Luck no matter what your decision is.
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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    what it's going to come down to for me is this: either continue to pursue the more socially acceptable position as an RN i fought so long and hard for, or dive into adult work 100% and be ok with everyone finding out.

    everyone i know, knows i'm a dancer. but they also know me as a nurse. some treat me as a pariah because of this (as if, one cannot be intelligent enough to be another). and as a dancer, it seems like my years left to work are far more limited than if i were a camgirl--if i were a cam girl i feel like i could work for the next twenty years and just change my niche to cater to guys who like older, MILF types.

    but… i sometimes feel like if i give up the nursing thing, then i've failed, and it makes me feel really bad but honestly guys, i'm not all that happy when i go into that "real," socially acceptable job. on the other hand i've just had three people die on me in the past three years, so it really makes me focus on what in life would make me happier. i mean, on cam, i could theoretically travel to paris and still work at night, right?

    thank you all for taking the time to help me sort out my own life. i'm not used to this kind of attention. *blush*

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    oh, side question--where do these guys who film you sans consent post your videos to? or do they just keep them stashed away, waiting for you to run for president? are there not laws against this?

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    They post the stolen content to tube sites and stuff like that. So that everybody gets to see what you're selling for free. Yes, there are laws against this but just like any kind of internet piracy it still happens... a LOT.

    When we find our content somewhere it's not supposed to be, we file a DMCA takedown with the website it's on. They usually take it down, but it's sometimes not that easy. Also it's very hard to keep up with all the times it happens. You gotta spend a lot of time googling yourself and browsing tube sites for yourself if you want to stay on top of it.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    Quote Originally Posted by countcrabula View Post
    oh, side question--where do these guys who film you sans consent post your videos to? or do they just keep them stashed away, waiting for you to run for president? are there not laws against this?
    Guys film stuff all the time without girls consent & post it on the web. There are no real laws to prevent it or protect you. Nor will the law go after them. Good luck finding a lawyer to take on the case too.
    What you do in any setting other than the privacy of your home can be filmed & posted on the web.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    Guys who record you post the videos to all the big tube sites and on smaller forums as well. Pretty much all of the clips you see on sites like Pornhub where it's an amateur girl alone are camgirls recorded without their consent, or sometimes videos that they sell or include as incentives to join gold shows. Then the guy turns around and uploads it to a tube site. Another major producer of these videos is the sites themselves--Streamate is famous for this. They'll record your shows (which are technically their property) and use them on tube sites and white labels to get traffic.

    There are laws against it like there are laws against any illegal firesharing... meaning it doesn't do much good.

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    Default Re: veteran dancer thinking of making the switch to camming...

    Also, just so you know, google The Deep Web. I would imagine that a lot of our content is posted on there since The Deep Web is like 100x bigger than the normal internet, and its completely anonymous (you access it with a proxy browser like TOR) so they wouldn't respond to DMCA notices. In fact, a DMCA notice might get anger the owner of whatever site, and cause him (or her?) to hack and post your information all over.

    The Deep Web is mostly filled with hackers. Its like 4-c-h-a-n x1,000. That's where The Silk Road website was hidden. And home of Bitcoins.

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