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    Can a dancer set up a confidential page for her dancing alter-ego on Facebook? Where she can administrate it from her RL Facebook account, but her RL name is securely hidden from fans of her dancer page? If someone has done this, any details of how would be appreciated.

    Yes, I'm a blue, I'm trying to convince my fav she should be less passive about building up a stable of regulars. Do you think I'm probably just going to piss her off? She seems to worry about money fairly often. I hate to see a dancer worry about money. Being flush is supposed to be the major positive that outweighs the negatives of dancing.

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    I'd be a little careful about advising her to do something that could compromise her anonymity. Web sites, including Facebook, get hacked all the time. You build up regulars inside the club not on facebook. If she wants to maintain contact with them she can start by working a regular and reliable schedule so that her regulars will know when they can find her. She can also create a "work" email address or get a burner phone with a number that her regulars can text her at to see when she is working.

    Ultimately it's her life, her job and her safety at stake here. She needs to be comfortable with whatever sort of contact she wants with customers and, quite frankly, some girls don't want any.
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    She is good about working a regular schedule.

    She gives out her burner # and e-mail, but pretty selectively. A lot of dancers have told me that freely giving out phone # and e-mail is a very time-consuming way to make a few more bucks. She's a private person, it seems like there are things going on when she's not working that she's passionate about and busy with. But not things she wants to talk about with custies.

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    ^ At the risk of being rude here there really isn't anything you can do for your Fav other than be a good customer and talk about this sort of thing with her if she wants to talk about it. Have you told her about this site? Dancing is a difficult job. She has to do the job at her comfort level, not yours.
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    Many girls have FB accounts for their "alter ego's", and they aren't - and don't need to be - linked to their real ones in any way, shape, or form.

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    not if she wants to remain anonymous. fb uses ip address and other things that will recommend her new account to her old accounts friends (as well as gmail addresses etc) so her real life contacts will be wondering who this new page is. the only way around this is to use a good proxy server or get a new comp, both of which are a huge pain in the ass for the most pointless waste of time.

    trust me a fake fb doesn't build good regulars. it builds a few cheapos who want to look at pics for free.

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    not if she wants to remain anonymous. fb uses ip address and other things that will recommend her new account to her old accounts friends (as well as gmail addresses etc) so her real life contacts will be wondering who this new page is. the only way around this is to use a good proxy server or get a new comp, both of which are a huge pain in the ass for the most pointless waste of time.

    trust me a fake fb doesn't build good regulars. it builds a few cheapos who want to look at pics for free.

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    I do not and will not have one. Nothing to do with privacy as far as what I tell customers, because all I would post would be my shift schedule and trivial shit like who I'm rooting for in a sports game... It's more to do with privacy regarding the rest of my life finding out. I have found it very very easy to "accidentally" stumble upon stuff like that with the "Facebook 6 degrees of separation". You never know if one of my friends is friends with a customer who is friends with my stripper profile... and with the "news feed" feature, it'd be very easy for them to notice my new profile if the customer interacts with it.

    You don't need to convince her to have a FB profile; what's the point if she gives out her # and email to you?
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    I found a dancer's real-life FB page simply because a friend of hers (whose Facebook ID has to be part of the post) put a promo up for an event there with her stage name (so when I googled the club & stage name) - I recognized her on the Friends list as soon as the friend's page loaded. I won't invade her privacy any further since I didn't ask for her FB and she didn't give it to me (I was just looking to see if there was any kind of schedule/roster on the club page, since she mentioned she had a regular schedule and I'm from out of town), but it shows exactly how easy it is to be found on FB - real or fake ID page. Basically, you have to not only rely on your ability to be private, but make sure your co-workers or friends don't cross-link into your real page. This mirrors everything my preteen kids are learning about FB/Twitter/IG/etc. - you cannot treat anything online as remotely private or anonymous unless you have complete separation of your RL friends/workers from your own real page - and that's frankly impossible to do from what I've seen with most people.

    If you want to advertise, great - just have zero illusions it will stay private if you have anything you want to keep private, including your ID.

    Honestly, sounds like your ATF & you are doing fine anyways.
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    I think I'm with the group here. In a few cases, dancers have invited me onto their real-life facebooks. I look at that as a big complement, if I'm there interacting with her friends and family. But I look at fake dancer facebook pages as impersonal self-promotion. Not that I mind seeing pics and schedules, etc., but there's really nothing about it that draws me in. Something personal -- texting, between just me and her, for example (google voice or line2 if she doesn't want to give out her real number) is personal and draws me closer to her. Email, too, although I've completely given up on email with dancers and won't use it even if she gives it to me, my experience has been people in their 20s and early 30s text, or send kiks or whatever, and suck at email.

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    Two years ago I got a "someone you might know" prompt from FaceBook and, low and behold, it was the real first and last name of a Fav dancer I have known for ten years or so. Now, fortunately I already knew that info about her but if I hadn't she would have been compromised. Turns out she signed up for FB years earlier and then decided she wasn't going to use it since she didn't feel comfortable with their security measures (she's a bit of a computer geek and saw a lot of potential holes). Now, facebook connected me with my dancer friend through two email addresses that neither one of us even uses anymore. We stopped emailing and started texting years ago but we both still had the old addresses and contact lists on our computers. Mind you, I never gave FB the email that she had and she never gave FB her "stripper" email either. FB goes through layers of cyber phising that most of us can't even comprehend. Don't kid yourself into thinking it's secure. I know a lot of dancers and none of them have dancer FB accounts. Of course, we New Englanders are suspicious by nature...
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    My ATF has given me an FB account that has her real first name and the last name is "Fiction". She says she can't accept a friend request because that would get her into trouble with people at work, but she lets me use the FB profile to communicate with her. Would that be a reasonably safe way of doing it?

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    OK so here is a porn star's page on FB:



    It doesn't say her real name or "administrator" or any shit like that, like FB pages normally seem to. Do you think FB charges you if you want anonimity, does anyone know? Yes, probably a hacker with some level of talent could find out her real name. My fav is pretty tech savvy, she could evaluate whether it's a risk she wanted to take.

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    With a completely fake fb page, with the right security set up, I think the risks are still as outlined above -- fb aggressively tries to look at how it can cross-link people. As an example, I have a "fake" fb page that I keep separate and use separately from my real one. NEvertheless, on my fake fb page, fb is constantly recommending to me that I friend my "real" friends. How it's figured out how to connect my real friends to my fake fb persona, I don't know -- maybe through IP address, maybe one of my real friends with my real email also has my fake email (associated with my fake fb) in the same contact list and he exposed that account to fb. Maybe I made some dumb mistake somewhere, like clicking yes to letting fb use my real email address to find friends for me. I dunno. I don't much care because the reasons for the fake fb page no longer exist, so perhaps I just wasn't as rigorous as your friend will need to be. It's just something to be aware of. I'm sure it's manageable if she keeps strict discipline about it; I just don't personally feel that a dancer-personal f.b. page is something that builds the slightest bit of loyalty for me.

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    A pornstar/popular cammodel's incentive to have a FB is very different than that of a dancer who works at a specific club. Especially one who already restricts who she gives her contact info to. Itll go from "hey you, youve spent on me enough for me to be OK with occasional text-based contact" to "hi world, Im a stripper - pls to be sending me all the messages & dick pics even if you live a different time zone from my club and never travel and have no intentions to be anywhere near my club or any stripclub for that matter". And that page is full of pics, which is the focus of adult entertainment FB pages - again, may not be her cup-of-tea as that means all of the pics will inevitably travel around the internet. There are hundreds of tumblrs and forums just of pics of dancers, prob disseminated primarily without their explicit consent. Doubt a very private person would be cool with that.... and may read you enthusiastically presenting (and insisting?) on this as not about business acumen but "ok you want a bunch of provocative pics of me and are masking it as help, k"

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    My fav is pretty tech savvy, she could evaluate whether it's a risk she wanted to take.
    Then she's probably considered the pros/cons of having a FB already? Right? So, why of all sites, why insist on FB? And not to belabor a point but words like confidential and private person are the complete opposite to the uh empire of Facebook. Just google Facebook and Privacy or Facebook news or Facebook privacy lawsuits?

    Everyone spelled out the pros/cons already but sometimes Occam's Razor is the best - perhaps she brings that up hoping youll just spend more money? If that isnt the path you want to take when she complains about money then she may jjust be venting and not looking for solutions. A "damn that sucks" is often just what people want to hear when theyre venting not solutions. If she is saying this just as a convo topic I think coming in with a whole presentation on how she can make more money ... well, it probably may not produce the results youre looking for?

    Sorry she's struggling though but yea like yoda suggested, just point her here? If the goal is her success a site full of information from hundreds (thousands?) of dancers over the course of 12+yrs is way more of a resource than one guy who has never danced pushing one singular method thatd produce a low ROI but will def result in many pics of her being right+click+saved. Being like "hey a whole site dedicated to supporting dancers is out there and it is very active, let me give you the URL" may go over well**. Asking her to create a large photo album that youd of course be privy to (basically) probably wont.

    Im not shitting all over FB in general but in this day and age if someone doesnt already have a FB, that is an active and intentional decision lol.

    **By well I mean 'productive' and 'results in more sustained income'.





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    Quote Originally Posted by ytqclys View Post
    OK so here is a porn star's page on FB:

    https://www.facebook.com/LusciousLopezFans

    It doesn't say her real name or "administrator" or any shit like that, like FB pages normally seem to. Do you think FB charges you if you want anonimity, does anyone know? Yes, probably a hacker with some level of talent could find out her real name. My fav is pretty tech savvy, she could evaluate whether it's a risk she wanted to take.
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    With a completely fake fb page, with the right security set up, I think the risks are still as outlined above -- fb aggressively tries to look at how it can cross-link people. As an example, I have a "fake" fb page that I keep separate and use separately from my real one. NEvertheless, on my fake fb page, fb is constantly recommending to me that I friend my "real" friends. How it's figured out how to connect my real friends to my fake fb persona, I don't know -- maybe through IP address, maybe one of my real friends with my real email also has my fake email (associated with my fake fb) in the same contact list and he exposed that account to fb. Maybe I made some dumb mistake somewhere, like clicking yes to letting fb use my real email address to find friends for me. I dunno. I don't much care because the reasons for the fake fb page no longer exist, so perhaps I just wasn't as rigorous as your friend will need to be. It's just something to be aware of. I'm sure it's manageable if she keeps strict discipline about it; I just don't personally feel that a dancer-personal f.b. page is something that builds the slightest bit of loyalty for me.
    Radius pointed out the flaw in that plan - if even ONE of your friends lists your fake email anywhere that's FB related - the link between fake & real takes place. So you literally have to have a complete separation of RL & fake. I don't see it ever happening, given how much work & friends seem to mix for most, if not all of us.

    As others pointed out, if she's tech-savvy, then she thought about FB a looong time ago. Really, it's her choice here.

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    I know the title of this thread is about a Face book page but let's not lose sight of the fact that what we are really talking about here, as Roast so eloquently pointed out, is a customer trying to help a dancer make more money. I'm not looking to judge anyone's motivations but 30 odd years of clubbing has taught me that no one with a penis knows a dancer's job better than a dancer does. More often than not an attempt to help a girl will backfire and you will just piss her off. The road to becoming an ex regular is paved with blocked emails and ignored text messages from guys who "were only trying to help".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ytqclys View Post
    She's a private person, it seems like there are things going on when she's not working that she's passionate about and busy with. But not things she wants to talk about with custies.
    ^This IS probably the case, her job is a job after all. Some dancers feel more comfortable about the idea of using social media than others. The ones who do use it to promote themselves are usually professional show girls/models etc. If your ATF is just dancing short term or to supplement another income etc, then comprising her safety and privacy probably isn't worth it (especially since she obviously already has and can keep regulars, regardless).
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