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    I have been frequenting clubs for about 20 years, mostly in one city, and lately I've notices that tipping at the stage has almost dried up. As a rule, if I am watching a dancer on stage (i.e. I am not talking to a dancer at my table and am focus totally on her), I will tip a dancer once or twice during her set. If I am at the stage, it is because I will be tipping the dancer who a) I already know or b) I want to get to know. But lately it seems I am one of the few (sometimes the only one) tipping at all. What gives? Is it the economy? Are customers becoming bigger jerks? Or has the emphasis on private dances pushed tipping off the agenda?

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    I'm dancing out of LA for only about a year and a half -- it's pretty standard for customers to tip little or nothing unless

    1) they're actually interested in talking to you after your set and the tip is a signal to come to their table
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    2) you have really great stage tricks

    From what I hear from most of the girls who've been dancing for much longer, stage tipping has definitely declined over the years due to several factors: the economy... the entrance of stripping into mainstream culture... rampant extras.. etc. People don't have the discretionary income like they used to, and stripping is no longer strictly for "entertainment" purposes -- there's more sexual services being offered in the club, and so that little extra income customers DO have is distributed a lot more carefully, w stage tipping taking the backseat.

    That being said, tipping is always appreciated, especially when no one else around is doing it, so thank you!!!!!
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    Well, first you have to establish whether or not "giving money to a dancer on stage" is actually a tip. Every customer I have seen who walks up to the stage ends up getting a little 20 second or so "mini-dance" that may, or may not, include touching (it's 50/50 either way). Usually after this mini-dance concludes the dancer pauses and waits for some money for the service she just performed for you. If you give a dollar, that's not really a tip. That's payment for what you just got. Anything over 1 dollar is an actual tip. Five dollars or more will get you noticed and probably elicit a proposition to come sit with you after she is done.
    That being said, customers who are sitting right next to the stage very rarely toss money to the dancer for "just being there dancing". And customers who "make it rain ones" are rarer still.
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    Well, first you have to establish whether or not "giving money to a dancer on stage" is actually a tip.
    Really?

    $1, $2, $5 or $20 the entire world calls it stage tipping. Lets just stick with that description and try to keep things on track.

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    Lol...^


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    @Jackson

    I agree with you stage tipping seems less common. Though I certainly have seen exceptions. For example in clubs where girls direct their show at men around the stage for tips there is stage tipping. If there is touching, particularly lots of touching (i.e. a mini lap dance) you get stage tipping. And then of course there are the urban clubs with the whole "make it rain" culture where women get tipped for time (hanging out between dance sets) via. stage tipping. The urban clubs screw up the averages when you talk bout "less"..

    Bu for your average club I think this creates an opportunity for men to be generous on stage and make a happy dancer.

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    Saturday night I was in Providence RI club and also a Mass. club. The difference in stage tipping is noticeable. In RI, the home of the high contact lap dance, stage tipping is minimal. It really is just an attention getter for off stage activities. In Mass clubs where the private dances involve much less contact (depending on the area) lots of guys choose tipping at the stage all night over buying private dances.
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    Just a counterpoint, I haven't noticed any difference in stage tipping behavior in SF, either in extras or non-extras clubs. Obviously, the girls would have a better idea than me what's going on

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    Hey, JE, thanks for copy-catting my avatar. Seriously, I know from your postings on another site that you and I go to different clubs. As for stage tipping trends, I've noticed differences scattered across the board, depending on area, and stageside interaction.

    At one mid-tier club in the midwest, I haven't noticed any dropoff at all, particularly on peak nights. Stageside interaction is good, and there are a good number of female customers who are enthusiastic tippers.
    I haven't been to L.A. in over a year, but j23 pretty well summed up my long time earlier experiences there. Stageside interaction there isn't that good compared to several other areas, so I tended to avoid stageside seats unless I couldn't find a decent table or bar space. Otherwise, I'd only tip the dancers who interested me, or put on a really good show.(Though if I were sitting stageside, I'd tip each dancer something for her set.) I will say that people who do sit stageside do at least a basic ammount of tipping- stageside freeloaders are still relatively rare.
    At yet another FL club, I've seen a decrease in stage tipping. This is a situation that seems to feed on itself. Fewer customers there sit stageside, favoring more seats away from stage. This leads to more dancers lamely swaying by mirror or becoming too wrapped up in pole "work" to the point of ignoring the willing tippers stageside. Which in turn leads me to spend less stage side time there, and lean more on gauging approaching dancers floorside vs. my prior favored stageside interaction. As always, YMMV.
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    I've only been dancing for five years so I can't really speak in the long-term, but I haven't noticed a change in the amount of money I make on stage over that time period.

    Everywhere in LA that I have worked, if I decided I was no longer doing private dances and would only dance on stage-- well, I would go hungry and be evicted. At my old club I was lucky if I made $50 a night on stage on the weekends... weekdays sometimes I wouldn't even make a single dollar or I would make like $4. The guys that tipped at that club were usually the ones that came in groups with their friends on the weekends, that was the only way I'd make good money on stage. Occasionally I would have some older man come up alone, but they would only tip like $5 maximum. I do think it depends somewhat on the club though. When I worked in Hollywood I always made $100-200 on stage at night. Not a whole lot but definitely a lot more than I made at my other club. But, that was the vibe there-- guys would come to that club when they were drunk after partying at clubs/bars in Hollywood, either with their friends or to sober up before going home, and they would just hangout at the stage and tip. The other club I mentioned was more lap dance focused-- guys came in alone to do dances.

    It's really very frustrating to be honest. I mean, whether or not people are tipping or even paying attention we have to go up on stage, and it is physical, tiring work when you have to do it 5-10 times a night. And, I so love dancing on stage-- it's my favorite thing to do at work. Not only was I a gymnast for over 10 years but I love to practice when the club is slow so I know I'm good, but no one gives a shit about that 99% of the time! They just sit and watch for free. And the DJs and management totally enable that behavior. I remember once I went on stage and there were 3 guys sitting at the tip rail but they weren't tipping. If you sit at the fucking tip rail you have to fucking tip. IT'S THE LAW OF STRIP CLUBS. I went up to the DJ afterwards and told him he should say something about how tipping was required at the tip rail and he gave me serious attitude and said that he would never say something like that and that it wasn't required at all, they could sit wherever they wanted (I had accidentally knocked one of their drinks over so I'm glad I at least did that!).

    And, beyond that, it's frustrating and degrading to have to get on stage and not only put effort into a show but to have to get naked for free. I absolutely refuse to get full nude for free. If no one was tipping I would just get topless like halfway through the second song, and my managers were usually OK with that-- the only time I ever got yelled at was when I first started and I didn't take my top off-- but there were a lot of girls at my club who would get in trouble for refusing to get fully nude onstage. Which is such bullshit! The managers would say "they paid a $20 cover charge they get to see naked women." Really? Well how about we split that cover charge up among the girls cause you sure as hell ain't doing shit, you're watching fucking youtube and Netflix in the office and I'm not seeing any of those $20 cover charges they're paying so what good does that do me?

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    I think the trend to LD's has definitely dropped the amount of stage tipping. Honestly, while I wouldn't ever stay next to the stage and not tip a dancer (even just a single), tipping more usually acts as a prelude to more action (and pointing dancers your way when they're done, usually directly)...

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    Interesting points have been raised. The club a I frequent most often happens to also be the first club I every visited. In that long ago time, "private dances" were just that . . . dances in a barely private area with air between the customer and the dancer, and stage tipping was the norm. Then the club figured out that it could offer "lap dances" in a separate room (built for that purpose). I am guessing that this was the beginning of the end for stage tips . . . plus, contrary to some clubs described above, there is zero or near zero contact at the stage.

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    Do you think there will ever be a standard for stage tipping the way there is a standard 15-20% for waitress tips?

    I typically spend $40-50 on stage tips over the course of an hour, hour-and-a-half in a club. That comes out to about $3 a song, per dancer on the stages. If someone does a great set, plays a great song, or just looks great, I'll tip more.

    Then, I spend $60-90 on lap dances with $10-20 on tips and $20-50 on drinks out of my total $200 budget. So, about $150 goes to the bill and $50 on tips or 33%.


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    There is also a tremendous impact on tipping from the physical layout of the stage as it relates to the rest of the club. Worst of all are the stages where the guys' backs will be to most of the club. Either because the stage is up against one wall of the club and there is a large open area facing it, or if the stage is in the very center of the club so that anyone sitting anywhere at the stage automatically has a lot of people at their back.

    Best of all the more 'intimate' stage setting where there is only a narrow passageway behind people sitting at the stage.

    Like the Wild West lol--guys just seem to naturally hate having their backs to a lot of people.


    That being said, there are definitely clubs where tipping is more common for other reasons. Less extras/lower contact, better looking women, more enthusiastic dancing, more friendly girls who are having a relatively good time there instead of being pissed off/annoyed/jaded, and music a majority of the customers really enjoy--all these things will greatly increase the frequency.
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    So I'm not the only one who tips soley for the dancer picking music I like?
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    I tip between $3 and $5 when I put money up on the rail-that may be two or three times during a dancer's set depending on how long her set is. Honestly I don't spend a lot of time at the tip rail since I'm usually visiting one lady and don't tend to just sit at the stage and watch the rotation.

    Some music I like, some I tolerate and some I can't stand but the only time music truly bothers me is when it is too damn loud. Most of my faves get to pick their music...
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    So I'm not the only one who tips soley for the dancer picking music I like?
    You should try picking the dancers music some time. Occasionally in a mid-afternoon when the club is basically empty I'll tip the DJ to play something "different" for a dancers second song. I've gotten them to dance to ABBA, or the Archies "Honey Honey". Always fun and I make sure to be there to tip well, min $20. It's gotten to the point that a couple of other guys in the club will also pick an ABBA song if the club is basically empty and the dancers seem to enjoy the weirdness of it all.

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    So I'm not the only one who tips soley for the dancer picking music I like?
    I had a reg tip me every time I danced to Personal Jesus by Depeche Mode. His bar buddy hated the song so it made us laugh. Also if I go to a club as a customer, I will tip for a song choice. Dancers in my area pick their own music and I'm lucky if there are 1 or 2 working that have the same taste as me.

    Only time I have ever seen stage money make a significant portion of the night's total was on 'make it rain' nights. One guy would do it, another would do it, and another. There is too much focus on lapdances/CR now. It is rare for a customer to come in and appreciate (willing to pay for) a good show or attractive company. People use the economy as an excuse. Customers now just don't know how to spoil attractive women anymore. I can only think of a mental image of the evolution of a Gangster to Gangsta. Most are looking for the most bang for their buck. The customers that have money and WANT to spend it have always been the nicest and least demanding (99% of the time). They don't ask what else you'll do for the price of the dance, they don't push your boundries, fun to be around, they may even enjoy paying for a great conversation. The cheapskates are the ones that make us 'work' for our money. I'm not talking about the guys that want their extras and negotiate the price. The cheapskates are the ones that want their HJ to be included in the price of the dance and think you're crazy for suggesting a tip.

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    This is why I hate going on stage and avoid it as best as I can. If you can pay to stay off stage, it's almost always worth it.

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    Unless you are with a paying customer, how is it better to stay off stage?
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    In Scotland stage tipping is almost non existent ( I did see one club where the DJ would call out "a fiver for tits").
    An american man came into my club and gave some unseen amount of money to the dancer onstage. We were all clamouring to get on next!
    I always put on a good pole trick stage show because I enjoy it and see it as advertising.I take nothing off though.

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    It's better to stay off stage cause I can concentrate on selling rooms and dances instead of hoping for a dollar.

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    I have noticed that, in clubs where there is ample seating far away from the stage, it can be a challenge nowadays to coax guys off of their asses to tip. Conversely, in places where seating is in close proximity to the stage, tipping seems to be better.

    In Queens (NY), N. NJ clubs and some other clubs scattered around the northeast, the main bar itself surrounds the stage. IME this creates a lot more active tipping atmosphere. In many cases, there is a tip walk around the interior of the bar after each girl finishes her set and the majority of the guys sitting at the bar cough up at least a buck. The girls that I have gotten to know in a few of these clubs very much want their stage times as it ensures that they make at least something. Indeed, they tend to get pissed when they think the DJ is skipping or shorting them.

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    It's better to stay off stage cause I can concentrate on selling rooms and dances instead of hoping for a dollar.
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    I started working at a new club this week and I fucking hate their stage layout-- I'm up there for 12 minutes, 3 songs, it's insane. I used to love dancing on stage but that was doing 3 minute sets, I could actually put some effort into it-- if I put effort into it now I'd be so tired I'd be useless. But if I'm up there for that long, I have to just sort of stand and pose and move a little bit for the first 8 minutes, and then I'll put a little bit more effort into the last song (though not much since I'm pretty tired by then) which is the one I do in a g-string.

    What's strange to me though is that since I started becoming incredibly lazy on stage I almost always have a host come up to me once I return to the floor and tell me a customer has requested a dance or wants to speak to me about a room-- I did the laziest show EVER last night and sold a CR to two guys who had requested me from the host. Stage tipping is non-existent here (they're actually not allowed to tip on stage) but I have to imagine I would be getting more tips since I'm selling dances/rooms just from my stage shows (and very rarely did I have someone buy a dance/VIP from me immediately afterwards when I did my more enthusiastic stage shows in LA).

    Do customers really not give a shit about pole tricks/splitz/etc? I would like to think that the answer to this is no, we do, but I'm beginning to rethink my entire stage presence after this week!

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