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    To make a long story short, I have some friends who do well for themselves as "affiliates" and they are interested in getting in to promoting cam sites/girls. I will be their first model and we will see how it goes ect. Basically, my job is to do videos and photos and they will make me a personal website with an affiliate link to my main site and mass convert/upload/tag/categorize/thumbnail/social media/analyze (I wrote this down so as not to sound stupid LOL) and we will split the profits from the traffic they send to my website that actually goes ahead and joins my main site and spends money its called "Revenue sharing" (Wrote this down too LOL)

    We talked about what would be considered a fair split from a cam girls point of view. They suggested 50-50 on the new Revenue sharing profits that joined trough my new website and spent money on my main cam site ect. it has nothing to do with my own profits its separate new money ect. I politely said I would think about it.

    What do you think about the split?

    My reasoning is that all new income is more than welcome, and I will most probably accept the 50-50, I just want to know if others have experience with this and how they split their profits?

    Their offer seems reasonable enough I just do not want to make an uninformed decision.

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    Default Re: Potential offer for traffic, opinions needed :)

    There's no way I'd even think of taking a 50/50 split for anything other than pre-recorded videos, and for that I'd basically expect them to build a site capable handling payments and distribution on top of doing all the marketing work.

    If they're any good at what they do, they should make bank off 20-30%.

    If you work a site that pays you a better rate for leads you bring in yourself, offer them the difference between that and the standard cut.






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    I don't understand.. Are you an independent?

    Affiliates get paid by the cam sites already, so are they double dipping? Then they promote the cam girls that convert best with them. I work with many affiliates for years. Some even came to me before going into promoting cam girls in a real way.

    Have you seen their sites & traffic numbers?

    If you have any kind of name & cam presence you can add & make money off of video sales on Freeones NOW with all you camming links added to your page. Freeones has a huge amount of traffic. They are already set up as affiliates with most cam sites & will get paid without any money coming from your end by the cam site.

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    ^ That's a good point. If they were signed up with Streamate's revshare program, they could quietly be making 30% from SM and then getting you to pony up half of your cut on top of it. We all hope our friends would never do something like this, but it wouldn't be the first time.






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    Honestly, this seems a bit odd. If they are building you a site and sending you traffic to your main site, how would they know how much you've earned and how much they'd receive? Also, if they are so good with affiliate marketing, why wouldn't they build a general camsite and hire lots of girls instead or start up a studio? I guess I'm trying to figure out how this will benefit you or them in the long run?

    My questions are:

    What's your percentage from your main site if someone signs up under you?
    Are they experienced with sending adult traffic?
    Will you own rights to your own content, domain name, etc?

    I really just see this as being an all out war in the end. Unless they trust you and have access to your main account, how would they know you wouldn't be cheating them out of affiliate earnings? Also, what makes you think they don't plan on setting up an Mtree account (sm affiliate) and send it to your site so they can double dip?

    I'm also a little confused about the purpose of your site. If you're going to be taking shows and video requests on your own site, why wouldn't they just provide you with billing and a platform? Why build you a personal main site, and then send traffic to your other camming main site just to get paid? And what happens when your customer who signed up under you spends money on another model. You're willing to give the couple 50% of your smaller cut over that as well? It sounds very pimp-ish to me because you can make much more money by keeping the profit for yourself.

    I think it's smarter to hire either hire a webmaster to build your site and have your friends send traffic and split that. Or, hire a webmaster to build your site and pay for/send traffic to yourself hence keeping all of the moneys.




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    I was very big into affiliate marketing (not in the adult category) before I started caming. Still in it now, just working on developing a larger website on the side and web developing from scratch takes forever for me haha.

    50/50 for all sales on your website is way to high (that only being said if you own the website, but you could add more if they are covering the development costs) They should only get paid for the traffic that they refer. That is what affiliate marketing is truly, getting paid for the sales that you refer. Revenue share is different.

    If I built my own website for caming I would do 50% for a trial period to really bring in affiliates, and then drop it down to 30% once I had more popularity. It's a great marketing tool because a lot of affiliates in the adult industry have their own websites, email lists, ways of promoting. 50% really gives them incentive to promote for you, which will bring in more customers. But it sounds like you will only have a couple affiliates with the setup you mentioned above. Here's a fact that I learned, the top 1-2% percent of your affiliates usually bring in 80-90% of all your sales. So if they are not good marketers necessarily, they may not be able to bring you as much revenue as if you had a more "open" affiliate program.

    I would ask them about that, if they are going to have an open program where they will allow other affiliates to promote for you. Because that is really key.

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    I am confused, Don't know if ANY adult affiliate who does NOT already promote cam sites.

    If they are in none adult affiliate programs which can be vastly different, doesn't mean they will know how to get traffic for adult.

    Also the affiliate market has been hit hard & not nearly as much money in the past 3 years.

    Are you an indy? Or do the expect 50% of the money you make off of SM? or MFC?

    Just find it shady...

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    Guess I explained it a bit wrong

    I do not have a website. The website they want to make is not a membership site it is just a personal promotion website with a "Book a Show now/Join now" that leads to Streamate where I work.

    The traffic they have is local, I live in Eastern Europe and they do fitness products on the domestic market their traffic is not for this. They want to open a "joint affiliate account" on Money Tree that is the program operator for Streamate. They would get 0% of my Streamate money but 50% of the Money tree money If a customer joins through my site I get to keep the whole 35% from SM but at the same time I get another 35% from money tree if this particular customer joined though my website. They would get half of the additional 35% Money Tree money.

    To be honest I can tell them that their cut is 10% and they will not care, the only thing they are interested in is the fact that regular customers spend money every day on models. They are stunned by this. They want me to record videos for them at least 2 hours worth every week for a long period of time and they will break them up in to smaller videos and mass upload with my websites watermark and create new traffic to my new website with this. Some of this traffic will join Streamate and spend money, this is the general idea. Their interest is in the data/feedback from mass uploading to tubes and social media they are dead set on promoting cam sites and cam girls.

    The reason I am asking what a fair cut would be is that I do not want to offend people who could potentially help me in the long run. They have money and drive nice cars so I guess they know what they are doing. Somebody above suggested I make my own site or hire a designer, but the presentation I got from them mentions so much activities on their sides, I would never be able to do this myself nor half as good as they can. The website seems like 2 hours work from what they told me, the real work is in the constant uploads and everything associated with this, from converting the video to editing to watermarking to thumbnailing to categorizing to writing descriptions to actually uploading and then theres the analyzing the actual data. and repeating what brings more money. Respect to anybody who can handle this but I would rather jump out of my window than spend more time on my PC

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    Default Re: Potential offer for traffic, opinions needed :)

    Wait, are you getting paid for the 2 hours of usable footage every week? That is a HUGE commitment. Are they charging for the edited videos then giving you a percentage or are they just using them as teasers or what?

    Personally if an affiliate didn't already have extensive, lucrative experience in the adult industry I wouldn't be willing to set aside a huge chunk of my time and attention for their purposes... being a guinea pig just isn't my thing, and neither is giving out free content.

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    Default Re: Potential offer for traffic, opinions needed :)

    You can promote yourself with the cammodels link & make 75% of what the guy who signs up under spends on you & 20% of what he spends on other cam girls.

    You can easily film short clips & pics, watermark them & submit them to tubesites, post them on twitter, tumblr, dailymotion, mypornprofile & such. Many of us already do this. You do NOT need a web page or a third party to accomplish this.

    If you have an android or iphone, you can do it all from your phone between camming sessions. OMG doing your own marketing from your mobile phone is soooo freaking easy these days it isn't funny. Spend 2 hours a week doing that & see the results in traffic & sales.

    For just a couple of dollars or free you can download an app to write cammodel link on all the pics. Post pics on Twitter, tumblr, mypornprofile and such. Post pics on instagram that are sexy but not nude to build up a following. Post 5 sexy selfies a day with hashtags like #livecam #sexy #tits & such.

    Here is the problem if they build you a page is that they can send that traffic to where ever they want & cut you out of the equation. Meanwhile they have tons of content on you to use for free to get that traffic.

    I don't care where you live in the world, cause the web & social media is also world wide, which I LOVE! You can easily, quickly market yourself all you want without another middle man. Soooo tired of men trying to step in & do it for us. You dont need them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by comstar View Post
    Guess I explained it a bit wrong

    I do not have a website. The website they want to make is not a membership site it is just a personal promotion website with a "Book a Show now/Join now" that leads to Streamate where I work.

    The traffic they have is local, I live in Eastern Europe and they do fitness products on the domestic market their traffic is not for this. They want to open a "joint affiliate account" on Money Tree that is the program operator for Streamate. They would get 0% of my Streamate money but 50% of the Money tree money If a customer joins through my site I get to keep the whole 35% from SM but at the same time I get another 35% from money tree if this particular customer joined though my website. They would get half of the additional 35% Money Tree money.

    To be honest I can tell them that their cut is 10% and they will not care, the only thing they are interested in is the fact that regular customers spend money every day on models. They are stunned by this. They want me to record videos for them at least 2 hours worth every week for a long period of time and they will break them up in to smaller videos and mass upload with my websites watermark and create new traffic to my new website with this. Some of this traffic will join Streamate and spend money, this is the general idea. Their interest is in the data/feedback from mass uploading to tubes and social media they are dead set on promoting cam sites and cam girls.

    The reason I am asking what a fair cut would be is that I do not want to offend people who could potentially help me in the long run. They have money and drive nice cars so I guess they know what they are doing. Somebody above suggested I make my own site or hire a designer, but the presentation I got from them mentions so much activities on their sides, I would never be able to do this myself nor half as good as they can. The website seems like 2 hours work from what they told me, the real work is in the constant uploads and everything associated with this, from converting the video to editing to watermarking to thumbnailing to categorizing to writing descriptions to actually uploading and then theres the analyzing the actual data. and repeating what brings more money. Respect to anybody who can handle this but I would rather jump out of my window than spend more time on my PC
    I don't know about this. They know how to reach fitness customers, NOT adult. There are people who fall for the fitness hype but free porn is everywhere so the adult side of things are completely different. I think you should put them on a trial some someone else suggested. I'll have you know that I paid $150 for traffic being sent to my mtree account last week and out of all those clicks, I got $0 sign ups. That's how hard it is lately. Of course, consistency is key, but these people might not get that and they might get resentful once they realize they've spent X on you and aren't getting much ROI.

    I'm not sure what sort of program you chose from mtree but I believe the top amount is 30% and not 35%. Therefor, you'd be getting 15% out of that 30%. However, if you use your cammodel link, you'd get 75% if they spend on you. You keep mentioning all the things they can do for you, but you can hire someone to do everything they promise, and still keep ALL of your earnings.

    You're going to be giving them free content when you can do all of that by uploading, watermarking, etc yourself (or hiring someone). In fact, with all the clips you'll be doing for them, you could be selling those clips on C4S and other sites. To me, they are just like any other affiliate site except they seem to be making you do most of the work and they don't have a clue with what they are doing.

    Also, you can't just "split" an mtree account. SM is going to send the check to one person, and one person only. What's going to stop them from changing the password, or even setting up multiple accounts and sending you traffic and getting ALL of the 30%? They have a plan to promote other girls, so trust me, they will be using all of your content and setting up multiple affiliate accounts without you knowing, thus making bank off of you. I hope if you decide to do this that you purchase your domain, and have copyrights to ALL of your content.




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    Dont even need a webmaster, you can set up a tumblr page & blog easily to send traffic to any camming, clip store or website endeavor.

    You can be up & running in less than an hour.

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    thanks so much to everybody who replied!

    I know its not THAT hard but I must stay on 6hrs per day because I have bills to pay and parents who need to be taken care of because they are old I do all the shopping/cooking/cleaning.. I am left with maybe 1-2 hours free time per day and I walk my dog during this time...

    they want 2 hours of non edited, shot with my webcam or phone videos nothing more...I am reasoning that I sometimes spend 2 hours on cam for free or for 5$ when its a bad day...they are not the type of guys to trick me they are obviously looking for a guinea pig and they are open about it...I will take their offer just to see how it goes, and hope I get more traffic and be able to buy myself more free time...promotion is something I will learn the fastest watching them because they like to show me how stuff works...I am hoping it will turn out fine, if not I will come out with more knowledge and be able to repeat what I saw more easily...

    i do not mind if they promote me and then duplicate and promote somewhere else as long as I get promoted...I will promote myself one day this is for sure, but I would probably let them promote me still, if it brings extra $$ and I am doing the videos anyway ...maybe they are as good as their cars and I end up learning a lot...this is my reasoning for now...

    the one thing I am positive of is that they are absolutely stunned by how much money is spent on cams, they knew about cams, but they did not know it was like this...they could watch my SM stats for hours looking at how regular customers spend money almost daily it seems to be some sort of "affiliate porn" for them

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    Good luck and let us know how it goes




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