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    Ok I will tell you short my story as a customer who had his life ruined by a stripper.
    to make it short, I am 30 y, good job, nice looking not the kind of usual weirdo you find in the club.
    I met this girl and I made the big mistake to trust her.
    I met her in the club for 6 months and not expecting anything except that one day she just kissed me on the mouth. Dances were hot and she told me I am a crush and broke up with her bf etc.
    I got her email and phone (real phone) and we talked and emailed a lot OTC.
    But she kept me always out of her real life, never knew anything about home, friends etc. She did a lot of broken promises: be friends on FB then not, hanging out then not, living together then not, etc.
    She used to tell me how she hates people and her shitty childhood, abusive ex etc.
    I fell in love and she told me the same, but her private life was kept secret and never gave any explanation for that.
    One morning we were together having coffee OTC and she was drunk, told me she loves me a lot but I saw her texting her fucking ex asking if he wants to stop by at her home after he texted something like "you don't love me". I became mad and I left, she just gave me BS explanations and told me I was jealous for nothing and blah blah.
    i made the mistake to give her a chance and found out later that most of the things she was telling me were just lies. She dated a guy in secret telling me she is single and that I am too much negative.
    this guy was a low future guy, two kids and living with mother, no job...
    She told me she loved me but I created too much drama (but all the drama was due to her very bad behavior) and guess what she came back to her ex who was supposedly a bad guy.
    I won't tell all the other lies and manipulation techniques she used on me but I was always guilty for everything (negative, stressed, jealous, insecure, no trust, ...), never apologized even confronted to a blatant lie and did a lot of no communication to make me mad (100 emails one day and nothing the days after).
    She also lied on the past, lie on everything, etc. and decided now that she will stop emailing me but she can go FH.
    I think she did this to have me in the club as I would see her a lot but all this was really not necessary. She could have stated straight she doesn't want to date me and I would see her anyways.
    so here are my questions:
    - If strippers want regulars and money I understand but was all this necessary ? I would have seen her even if we had only dances, no need kiss, promises, etc.... Why so much pain and manipulation ?
    - I consider she has all the traits of an NPD, how can you identify this when you go to a SC. Can you be confident a stripper can really like you and be a little bit honest ?
    - why did she refuse a bright and promising future with me (I make good money) to go to jerks like ex and other no future guys ?
    - Can I get revenge complaining to the management ? She really ruined my life.

    Don't take it wrong, I am not saying all girls are like this but I'm trying to figure out if harming customers on purpose is part of business (if such that's a really bad way to run this job) or if she was just a nasty girl. I hate to say that but she was acting very different from the other ones.

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    Sounds to me like you should have seen the warning signs from the start. If you were her regular for six months you definitely should have taken it with a pinch of salt when she said she had a crush on you.

    Sometimes my ATF says she will meet me OTC, for whatever reason, and then flakes on me. I don't really know why she does that. But you have to keep such things in perspective.

    Also, I think saying she "ruined your life" is going over the top. You built up a certain set of expectations which were disappointed. You are responsible for keeping your expectations realistic. Hey, at least you got to meet her outside the club for coffee, I would be happy enough if my ATF would even agree to that much.

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    First off, sorry to hear about your story - does sound like a lot of stories, sadly enough.

    To answer your Q's:

    1. Some (not all) women will sense if you are attached, and the more attached you are - the more $ you will give. It's that simple.
    2. As a general rule, they are there to make $, and to sell a fantasy if that's what you are buying into. ONCE in a blue moon, you might make a connection - but for every time that happens, there are like 100x where she was there to make you feel good, but it was a mirage. If you are lucky, you get that odd time - but it's the exception, not the rule (and I REALLY mean the exception).
    3. Most custies aren't seen as potential SO's, but sources of $. So I think you have to realize most dancers don't see you as potential SO. Read the threads - you'll notice most dancers affirm this. It does happen (Almost Jaded is a good example), but honestly, it's not the rule. You go there to have a good time, enjoy the women, enjoy the fantasy. NOT a good place to look for SO's, because that's not why they are there. They are doing a job, first & foremost. The most you can usually hope for is that she doesn't dislike it, and rarely, enjoys the experience (as long as it's within her comfort limits) a little bit - but she's enjoying the $$$ way more.
    4. Don't go that route (bitching to her workplace). It won't work, and if you are a local, then you just get word out that you are a head case, and not to be trusted. If she's really a bad person, karma says she'll get hers (by the sounds of her BF, I think it's already happening, FWIW).

    Honestly, it sucks, but I hope an outsider's view helps. Remember it's a job for dancers, and even if they go OTC with you, it does NOT come with guarantees or expectations - those are the ones you created. Now, she clearly deceived you with false promises, but that's also on you to know when to draw the line (fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me 10x - she must be hot and I must be thinking with my little head again). I also think the story you told shows there were NUMEROUS warning signs (being kept out of her private life, all the broken promises, the ex-BF texts - HELLO, HUGE WARNING SIGNS)....hopefully you've learned a painful lesson, and can move on. You've got a broken heart, but it will heal - and you'll be smarter for the next time (if there is a next time) you form an ATF relationship, or think about going OTC. Best of luck.
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    If she had been a dentist, would you ask whether you should report her to whatever agency regulates dentists in your jurisdiction?

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    Thanks drake I was expecting rough answers and yours is just fine.
    Indeed I should have identified the red flags but she love bombed me a lot declaring she loves me, that she broke up with her bf just for me (lie but I didn't know), and SHE made all the promises one after another.
    That's the same as a normal break up: you run after the "one you loved" but she keeps the bad behavior going on and shows you so much lack of any respect.
    I know I did a very bad mistake and I should have ran away after the first drama and block her but I wanted to give her another chance.
    Well she ruined my life with her manipulation tricks, playing with me. An example: one day I visited her and she never show up. I told her I go back home after two hours waiting and texting/calling her. Answer: "silly I'm sorry I should have given my address so you could have knocked". Whaaaaaaat ? She never gave me her address heap cause it was supposed to be "not in my standards" (lol).
    What I don't understand is all this, going dinners with me and making promises for nothing. If she wanted money no need to manipulate, she perfectly knew I would show up anyways as a regular going for fun.
    Another thing is why all these jerks and bad boys ? Can't she upgrade to better guys ? She used to tell me how she wanted to have a better life but what's the future with those guys who have no job, nothing else than smoking pot and drink ?

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    Ok I understand she played me for money but at least she should have not put always the blame on me like I ruined the relationship being too negative, jealous for no reason, insecure etc...
    She could have kept me up just by saying "ok I made a mistake lets go back to a normal situation".
    I think she has a lot of personal issues and that her life will never go the right way as she had in two years three fucked up relationships with guys stalking her, complaining on FB, etc...
    The red flags were there and I should have realized since the beginning but I just wanted to say: if you play cuties for money, please don't go too far into it. Don't go to promises you will never carry on, don't kiss, don't say you love them so bad and any other serious attention that can be very harmful.

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    Hi Jonwade99,

    I understand it can sometimes be hard to be clear-headed about these things, and I'm sorry if I was a bit unsympathetic.

    Basically, it sounds like she's bad news and a little bit messed up. We live and we learn.

    Basically, if you had been her regular for six months then any kind of suggestion that she might be interested in a serious romantic relationship you should have taken with a very large pinch of salt. As people have been saying such things are very rare indeed.

    Maybe you can find yourself another ATF who is a bit less messed-up and have fun times together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drake View Post
    Hi Jonwade99,

    I understand it can sometimes be hard to be clear-headed about these things, and I'm sorry if I was a bit unsympathetic.

    Basically, it sounds like she's bad news and a little bit messed up. We live and we learn.

    Basically, if you had been her regular for six months then any kind of suggestion that she might be interested in a serious romantic relationship you should have taken with a very large pinch of salt. As people have been saying such things are very rare indeed.

    Maybe you can find yourself another ATF who is a bit less messed-up and have fun times together?
    Hi drake, you are not unsympathetic at all. Sorry if my eng. wasn't correct I wanted to say you didn't judge me and I really appreciate your comments, you help me.
    I think she is was not only playing me for money but loved to hurt my feelings. If you want my opinion, she is what we call a psychopath (Google 30 red flags + psychopath, I found 28 of them with solid examples).
    I need to move on and state that she told me she was honest since the beginning but 80% of her stories were just a bunch of lies. If you have a doubt, just sick to the facts.
    Now let's see it positively: she lost a good regular forever and even if I am still addicted to her I need to stop it either by:
    - going to another club and find another ATF.
    - do something else when I feel lonely and bored.
    She is definitely not a good person. Period.

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    Yeah, stay away from her, definitely. You know now that she is not good GF material anyway. So take it as a learning experience, and if you get yourself another ATF then always remember that if she hints that it may become more than a business relationship to treat that very cautiously and skeptically, and not get too excited.

    Such experiences can be pretty rough, but in time you will move on.

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    Thanks drake.

    I would like to add a comment.
    I have been fooled and my heart broken. You can't al, imagine how hard it is to realize a jerk made it in no time to share her bed when you hard hardly trying to follow up with BS emails that she misses you so much and blah blah for months.
    She never expressed any regret, just insulted me when I expressed my feelings and told me I was the only one who fucked up the Rshit.
    So I know I am an idiot but this is directed to strippers: most of the guys here come firstly to spend some good time and they are sometimes in bad marriage, isolated or what else. I understand strippers need regulars and want to hook a good money making guy. But please, just for the sake of human respect, stop it when you see that the customer is following the line and make it a clear statement that maybe he is expecting way to much and it's not gone work out. Tell him any story to keep him ITC but don't tell him OTC that you have feelings for him etc. when it's not the case. And if he is getting mad, don't put the blame on him, just tell him you want to see it as a regular-stripper kinda thing.

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    My [opinionated] responses:

    - Can I get revenge complaining to the management ? She really ruined my life.
    They probably won't care, unless the club is very strict about girls meeting guys OTC. The only thing it will probably accomplish is to make you the butt of a lot of jokes. Shit, I'm chuckling now just thinking about what the staff and maybe even other dancers will be saying to each other about the grown man who came in and whined because a stripper made him fall in love with her, lol. Seriously dude, IMHO you should just maintain your dignity and self-respect by keeping it to yourself.

    - If strippers want regulars and money I understand but was all this necessary ? I would have seen her even if we had only dances, no need kiss, promises, etc.... Why so much pain and manipulation ?
    The romance hustle is an old school classic and can be very effective on certain types of guys (such as yourself perhaps). She probably thought that it was the best way to maximize the cash transfers from your pocket into hers. It is as simple as that.

    - I consider she has all the traits of an NPD, how can you identify this when you go to a SC. Can you be confident a stripper can really like you and be a little bit honest ?
    You cannot be confident about anything when dealing with strippers. If you want to avoid these problems in the future, then look for love someplace other than a strip club. Just consider this a lesson learned - we all go through something like this at one point or another.

    - why did she refuse a bright and promising future with me (I make good money) to go to jerks like ex and other no future guys ?
    Because you had to pay her for her affection and he didn't. There is a lot more underlying that statement, but I'll leave it to you to figure it all out. Just don't assume that she shares your logic or values the qualities and traits that you think she should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    My [opinionated] responses:

    - Can I get revenge complaining to the management ? She really ruined my life.
    They probably won't care, unless the club is very strict about girls meeting guys OTC. The only thing it will probably accomplish is to make you the butt of a lot of jokes. Shit, I'm chuckling now just thinking about what the staff and maybe even other dancers will be saying to each other about the grown man who came in and whined because a stripper made him fall in love with her, lol. Seriously dude, IMHO you should just maintain your dignity and self-respect by keeping it to yourself.

    - If strippers want regulars and money I understand but was all this necessary ? I would have seen her even if we had only dances, no need kiss, promises, etc.... Why so much pain and manipulation ?
    The romance hustle is an old school classic and can be very effective on certain types of guys (such as yourself perhaps). She probably thought that it was the best way to maximize the cash transfers from your pocket into hers. It is as simple as that.

    - I consider she has all the traits of an NPD, how can you identify this when you go to a SC. Can you be confident a stripper can really like you and be a little bit honest ?
    You cannot be confident about anything when dealing with strippers. If you want to avoid these problems in the future, then look for love someplace other than a strip club. Just consider this a lesson learned - we all go through something like this at one point or another.

    - why did she refuse a bright and promising future with me (I make good money) to go to jerks like ex and other no future guys ?
    Because you had to pay her for her affection and he didn't. There is a lot more underlying that statement, but I'll leave it to you to figure it all out. Just don't assume that she shares your logic or values the qualities and traits that you think she should.
    Ok I see: they want guys OTC and consider being in a relationship with a customer would stop the money making.
    Well, whatever the reason the drama is over now, she can email love bomb me as she did in the past I won't come back.
    Another thing about setting the boundaries is that when you say you are a faithful girl you don't HJ, txt in secret in front of BF and kiss a guy you consider as an ATM, we have probably a different idea of values in life.
    I wish her good luck in her life to love bomb other regular in this town and I hope the guy won't be screwed as he did in the past with her but that's not my problem.
    And for the revenge part you are correct, I won't go back to the club because my ATF will for sure create drama if I pick up another girl and will drop tons of shit on my face. Definitely not a good idea. Now she is blocked on my phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonwade99 View Post
    Ok I will tell you short my story as a customer who had his life ruined by a stripper.
    to make it short, I am 30 y, good job, nice looking not the kind of usual weirdo you find in the club.
    I met this girl and I made the big mistake to trust her.
    I met her in the club for 6 months and not expecting anything except that one day she just kissed me on the mouth. Dances were hot and she told me I am a crush and broke up with her bf etc.
    I got her email and phone (real phone) and we talked and emailed a lot OTC.
    But she kept me always out of her real life, never knew anything about home, friends etc. She did a lot of broken promises: be friends on FB then not, hanging out then not, living together then not, etc.
    She used to tell me how she hates people and her shitty childhood, abusive ex etc.
    I fell in love and she told me the same, but her private life was kept secret and never gave any explanation for that.
    One morning we were together having coffee OTC and she was drunk, told me she loves me a lot but I saw her texting her fucking ex asking if he wants to stop by at her home after he texted something like "you don't love me". I became mad and I left, she just gave me BS explanations and told me I was jealous for nothing and blah blah.
    i made the mistake to give her a chance and found out later that most of the things she was telling me were just lies. She dated a guy in secret telling me she is single and that I am too much negative.
    this guy was a low future guy, two kids and living with mother, no job...
    She told me she loved me but I created too much drama (but all the drama was due to her very bad behavior) and guess what she came back to her ex who was supposedly a bad guy.
    I won't tell all the other lies and manipulation techniques she used on me but I was always guilty for everything (negative, stressed, jealous, insecure, no trust, ...), never apologized even confronted to a blatant lie and did a lot of no communication to make me mad (100 emails one day and nothing the days after).
    She also lied on the past, lie on everything, etc. and decided now that she will stop emailing me but she can go FH.
    I think she did this to have me in the club as I would see her a lot but all this was really not necessary. She could have stated straight she doesn't want to date me and I would see her anyways.
    so here are my questions:
    - If strippers want regulars and money I understand but was all this necessary ? I would have seen her even if we had only dances, no need kiss, promises, etc.... Why so much pain and manipulation ?
    - I consider she has all the traits of an NPD, how can you identify this when you go to a SC. Can you be confident a stripper can really like you and be a little bit honest ?
    - why did she refuse a bright and promising future with me (I make good money) to go to jerks like ex and other no future guys ?
    - Can I get revenge complaining to the management ? She really ruined my life.

    Don't take it wrong, I am not saying all girls are like this but I'm trying to figure out if harming customers on purpose is part of business (if such that's a really bad way to run this job) or if she was just a nasty girl. I hate to say that but she was acting very different from the other ones.
    Hopefully you learn from your mistakes. Words are meaningless, I doesn't matter what someone tells you it is what they do that matters. I am not really sure how she ruined your life, could you elaborate on that?

    Are you from the U.S. or another country?
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    She ruined my life as I fell in love with her and she just made it very miserable. She would date jerks and when I figured out by myself would go no contact.
    She cried in front of me telling how she loves me so much and texting a dude at the same time.
    She never apologized or felt any guilt even when I pointed out the blatant lies and called me jealous and too sensitive.
    She would give me no contact for weeks when I was just asking for explanations.
    She would trick me on purpose for example talking about my birthday during three weeks and on that particular day she just went no contact.
    She asked me to hang out making me drive and didn't answer any of my emails.
    It's not really ruining my life but she just brought me down very hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonwade99 View Post
    She ruined my life as I fell in love with her and she just made it very miserable. She would date jerks and when I figured out by myself would go no contact.
    She cried in front of me telling how she loves me so much and texting a dude at the same time.
    She never apologized or felt any guilt even when I pointed out the blatant lies and called me jealous and too sensitive.
    She would give me no contact for weeks when I was just asking for explanations.
    She would trick me on purpose for example talking about my birthday during three weeks and on that particular day she just went no contact.
    She asked me to hang out making me drive and didn't answer any of my emails.
    It's not really ruining my life but she just brought me down very hard.
    That's not ruining your life so stop being so dramatic and get over it, you never should have let that nonsense go on for so long especially considering that you are 30 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by safado View Post
    That's not ruining your life so stop being so dramatic and get over it, you never should have let that nonsense go on for so long especially considering that you are 30 years old.
    I agree and moving on but you have to understand that the manipulation and dramas did not occur just like that, it was way more subtle.
    Some 60 years old regulars are fooled the same way, I learned a guy was scammed for $1000 one day.

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    She did not "ruin your life" because she is a stripper. She did all that because she is a sad, messed-up individual. From your story, it doesn't even sound like she was trying to squeeze a ton of money out of you, but rather is just the type of girl who clings to and uses people during her dramafests. She saw you a lot so you became a "target" in her drama. Same thing would have happened even she had not been a stripper, you had not been a customer, but you two were somehow connected in another way.

    Your head was on a little less tight because you were attracted to and infatuated with her as a dancer. Quite honestly, that's your problem, not hers. And certainly not management's. They are not going to care. At all. Seriously, from your very admission, you knew basically nothing about this girl. She never told you anything about her personal life except her bf/ex-bf drama. If you "fell in love" with someone knowing only what they look like naked in the club, even though you know nothing else about them.... again, your problem.

    The question isn't whether or not you can trust "any stripper ever again" but your judgement about certain women in general. You could've gotten caught up in the same exact game with a non-stripper outside of the club. Stop blaming it on the fact that she was a stripper, and learn how to manage your expectations and fantasies inside and outside the club.
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    Ruined your life, seeking revenge. Dramatic much?

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    Thank you and I went to this point.
    I read a lot of books about personality disorders and she had all the red flags of a psychopath, creating chaos in every relationship she has. She is totally messed up and stated that so many times: "I am a disaster", "I hate people", etc...
    I don't want to blame strippers up I don't want to go back to this place because I don't want to see her again, too risky.
    She is messed up, she is definitely not a good person and getting married to her it
    F that would have happened would had been the biggest mistake to make.
    I have been an idiot not to see all the red flags since the beginning and to give it a second change, I should have run away very fast !
    And management would not care so...

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    The best thing you can do in situations like this is just to remind yourself "it's not personal." She would do this to anyone in her path - not just you. It's about her mental problems. It wasn't like she specifically set out to destroy your life - she is just messed up and full of drama.

    One of my favorite pseudo-religious texts is The Four Agreements - one of which is "Nothing is personal." It's a good read to check out when you are feeling attacked.
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    Thanks Aurora, I think you are correct. I think by the way that some guys who are vulnerable, isolated or any other problems should be very careful when stepping in a SC. Some of the strippers are very con artists and will do everything for money. Mine was very manipulative and extremely good actress. She was able to cry for no reason and smile in a blink of an eye. She was acting exactly as if I were her BF, not a single difference and get into a rage if I would question a bad behavior. I want to say that some of the strippers are full of problems and you have to take care not to trust the words but only the acts and walk away as fast as you can if you see a weird behavior. They are dry good at manipulating but red flags are there anyhow, trust your guts.
    I want to add that I am not talking about the strippers in general but just the few that are toxic.

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    Thanks Aurora, I think you are correct. I think by the way that some guys who are vulnerable, isolated or any other problems should be very careful when stepping in a SC. Some of the strippers are very con artists and will do everything for money. Mine was very manipulative and extremely good actress. She was able to cry for no reason and smile in a blink of an eye. She was acting exactly as if I were her BF, not a single difference and get into a rage if I would question a bad behavior. I want to say that some of the strippers are full of problems and you have to take care not to trust the words but only the acts and walk away as fast as you can if you see a weird behavior. They are dry good at manipulating but red flags are there anyhow, trust your guts.
    I want to add that I am not talking about the strippers in general but just the few that are toxic.

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    She sounds like a loser, regardless of her job. I have been a stripper and know many strippers and none would do all of that. It's really a lot of time just to keep a regular.

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    I just have to avoid her, no contact !
    she is dangerous and spread chaos in everyone's life.
    she is what we call a sociopath: sociopath and dating on google.
    she did exactly everything explained on the website, that's weird crazy.
    phase1: analyze the victim.
    phase2: love bomb
    phase3: create drama
    phase4: discard
    After telling me all this bullshit and all the empty promises she went back to her supposedly abusive crazy ex.
    he will be the next victim.
    thanks god not all strippers are like this one !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonwade99 View Post
    Thank you and I went to this point.
    I read a lot of books about personality disorders and she had all the red flags of a psychopath, creating chaos in every relationship she has. She is totally messed up and stated that so many times: "I am a disaster", "I hate people", etc...
    I don't want to blame strippers up I don't want to go back to this place because I don't want to see her again, too risky.
    She is messed up, she is definitely not a good person and getting married to her it
    F that would have happened would had been the biggest mistake to make.
    I have been an idiot not to see all the red flags since the beginning and to give it a second change, I should have run away very fast !
    And management would not care so...
    Jon, you've now posted several comments in which you have analyzed her and the situation and berated yourself to boot. Calm down already. It was just a con game, nothing personal. She never had any feelings for you and you were certainly never at any real risk of marrying her, lol. You were just another mark. Yes it probably stings a little, not only because you developed genuine feelings for her but also because you likely feel foolish for being played like that, but take some comfort in the fact that most guys who routinely visit clubs have experienced some form of this at one time or another. This is just a lesson learned and plenty of us have paid the same tuition, at least once, in terms of hurt feelings and embarrassment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonwade99 View Post
    Thanks Aurora, I think you are correct. I think by the way that some guys who are vulnerable, isolated or any other problems should be very careful when stepping in a SC. Some of the strippers are very con artists and will do everything for money. Mine was very manipulative and extremely good actress. She was able to cry for no reason and smile in a blink of an eye. She was acting exactly as if I were her BF, not a single difference and get into a rage if I would question a bad behavior. I want to say that some of the strippers are full of problems and you have to take care not to trust the words but only the acts and walk away as fast as you can if you see a weird behavior. They are dry good at manipulating but red flags are there anyhow, trust your guts.
    I want to add that I am not talking about the strippers in general but just the few that are toxic.
    The hard reality is that strip clubs are places where lust, need and greed are the forces that drive their economics. So it is almost inevitable that they will attract their fair share of predatory and damaged personalities, on both sides of the tip rail. Yes there are unscrupulous dancers who will behave badly, but the same holds true for a certain % of customers. As a result, the weakest on either side of the tip rail tend to get taken advantage of. Now there are also plenty of good people on each side of the tip rail, but of course that is also relative as even kind and humane dancers and customers have their motives for being there. At the end of the day, dancers are not there to keep me from spending all of my money on them and I am not there to safeguard their virtue, even if we are all acting with basic decency (for example, her by not lying or stealing and me by only acting upon my impulses with her consent). Net-net, we are each responsible for watching our own backsides in a strip club and in keeping our eyes open for problems.

    So yes, as a customer, if you are highly susceptible to being hustled, then you might want to consider whether strip clubs are the right entertainment option for you.
    Last edited by rickdugan; 03-10-2014 at 07:20 AM.

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