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    Hey guys,

    So I've been working in clubs in LA for a while now, and I have my lap dances down to an art form... I know how to give a great lap dance, but that involves sticking my boobs in the customers face, leaning back on him, kissing his neck, breathing in his ear, etc. I have always worked in contact clubs.

    But this weekend I'm starting at a club that allows no contact between dancers/customers. I'm happy for it-- I was totally burned out dealing with customers at my old club, never being able to let down my guard for more than a millisecond, if that, in fear that they would try to finger me/kiss me/unzip their pants. I'm relieved to be moving to a cleaner club.

    But, I don't really know what the fuck to do dancing for a customer when I am on a podium! How can I make that an intimate experience for them? I feel like I'm just going to be selling stage dances or something. And how do I fill up an hour or two hours with a customer? Does it just become more about how I speak to them at that point? I'm a bit nervous!

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    Default Re: transitioning to air dancing... what the hell do I do?

    Awww man, it is a huge difference! I danced the majority of my career in South Fla which is high mileage and a lot of contact. I took a girlfriend with me back to New England one year and we danced while we were there (in Mass) and the other dancers thought we were whores because we were giving light contact dances in the champagne room!!! We didn't mean to break the rules, we literally did not know how to dance any other way! When you say dancing on the platform I assume you mean a small box that you stand on and not a stage?? You have to do more of a table dance and be enticing with your facial expressions and slower movements- run your hands along your body, lift your hair up- etc. type of thing than by trying to turn him on by contact and touching. Men are visually stimulated anyway so it not too tough. I'm sure you'll be fine.
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    I don't know exactly how it's set up because I didn't get to see the lap dance booth area when I auditioned, but they said podium dances... they gave me a handout with more info in it but of course I somehow managed to lose it in my closet/studio apartment.. ugh.

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    It's a tough transition for sure, but the important thing to keep in mind is that although it's weird and not intimate for you, it's all that the customers you're dancing for know, and it's not like they can just go to a different club for contact. Conversation is definitely key for selling blocks of time, so you really want to work on building rapport and finding that connection that keeps them back there.

    Here are a few threads I found helpful when I first started working in an air dance club:
    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...630-Air-dances
    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...nce-only-clubs
    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...air-dance-club
    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...ir-dances-quot
    There are a few others floating around there if you search for 'air dance' in Hustle Hut and Stripping General.
    And here's a bonus thread about upselling in a no contact club: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...o-Contact-Club

    My personal recommendation is to take your shoes off because air dances are brutal on the thighs! Otherwise, think sensual stage show: sexy poses, eye fuck the shit out of them, smile, and act like you can't get enough of touching your body. Many girls do floor work as well, depending on the size of the podium. I've seen others pretend to touch themselves too, but figure out the rules/bylaws first.

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    ^Thanks for much for those they were great! I'm making up a Word file on my computer with info.. I refuse to go in there this weekend and get stomped all over by Brazilian girls and go home with nothing! lol.

    I know we can't touch ourselves down there at all, but I really hope that we are allowed to lean over the customers and whatnot, that way I can do a lot of what I would normally do in LA, just not sitting in their lap while we do it. The owner was asking me what the rules were like in LA and I said that we were expected to straddle the customers and whatnot (honestly if you do an air dance in LA in a nude club the customer would laugh at you and you would probably be asked to go home) and she said the only time she lets her girls have physical contact is it they put a leg up by the customer.

    I'm going to try and focus on selling VIPs since that seems like the easier route, I'm great at talking with customers, so I feel like that will be easier... but I'm also a little uncomfortable with the idea of drinking with them, I don't know why it bothers me but it really does, I guess it just seems so taboo after working in an environment where there's no alcohol for so long. I'm also a bit confused though about how VIP works at the club here since the club charges a certain amount for the room and then you charge your own price? I've always worked in places with set prices... but I guess I'll figure it out!

    I'm really nervous for my first shift on Friday night, it's going to be one hell of a transition from going from Los Angeles (one of the dirtiest cities you can possibly dance in in the USA) to this new club where I'm dancing on a podium!

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    Alright, I found the handout I got which has house rules and whatnot for the club, and it states that the customer has to be a meter away from the dancer at all times... ugh!

    There's also a section on sit-downs... what the hell is that? I've never heard of sit-downs...

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    Default Re: transitioning to air dancing... what the hell do I do?

    A sit down is like a vip but they just pay for a set amount of time and you sit and just talk. It may or may not be in a different area.

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    How do you sell that? Like what phrase would I use? "Hey do you want to sit down and talk for ten minutes it'll be 40 pounds?" lol it just seems odd to me!

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    Default Re: transitioning to air dancing... what the hell do I do?

    This thread is so helpful! I'm also used to contact dances in LA... I tried an air dance club in OC a handful of times and it was impossible for me to bank off one customer cause they never bought more than 2 :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    How do you sell that? Like what phrase would I use? "Hey do you want to sit down and talk for ten minutes it'll be 40 pounds?" lol it just seems odd to me!
    "I'm having such a great time chatting with you, babe! Let's go somewhere more quiet and comfortable so we can get to know each other better. It's only £x for y amount of time."

    Upsell like you would a block of time (I think there are a few threads on this… Even a VIP/CR-focused hustle could work, just with different wording), only don't mention dances, sensuality, intimacy, etc.. Keep it about conversation and getting to know each other. If you're a good dirty talker and comfortable doing it, this could be a great way to make money.

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    Default Re: transitioning to air dancing... what the hell do I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    Alright, I found the handout I got which has house rules and whatnot for the club, and it states that the customer has to be a meter away from the dancer at all times... ugh!

    There's also a section on sit-downs... what the hell is that? I've never heard of sit-downs...
    Wtf?? Good luck with this club if you can bank. I worked air dance clubs in Missouri back in 08 and I crashed and burned. I can't do no contact. Even in Fargo that was pushing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    Wtf?? Good luck with this club if you can bank. I worked air dance clubs in Missouri back in 08 and I crashed and burned. I can't do no contact. Even in Fargo that was pushing it.
    The UK is basically all air dance (or at most very minimal one-way contact) clubs, so it's the norm in terms of patron expectations. London probably has the highest earning potential, though not necessarily the most consistent. Still, the lack of contact isn't what makes it hard to bank in the UK, so I wouldn't worry too much about it, OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    I'm going to try and focus on selling VIPs since that seems like the easier route, I'm great at talking with customers, so I feel like that will be easier... but I'm also a little uncomfortable with the idea of drinking with them, I don't know why it bothers me but it really does, I guess it just seems so taboo after working in an environment where there's no alcohol for so long.
    I went through this a few years back, I had always worked in nude clubs and then switched to an upscale topless club with Champagne Rooms. It was weird for me at first too! Customers would get butthurt if I said I didn't want to drink with them. Usually now I order a drink and use it as a prop-I'll take a few tiny sips but mostly just hold it so they feel comfortable. Or sometimes I'll say that I only want to drink in the Champagne Room-95% of guys don't notice or care if you're not really drinking back there.

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    Default Re: transitioning to air dancing... what the hell do I do?

    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    How do you sell that? Like what phrase would I use? "Hey do you want to sit down and talk for ten minutes it'll be 40 pounds?" lol it just seems odd to me!
    My favorite drive by line is, "Wow! you look just like a guy I had a huge crush on in college!" I vary it depending on the situation. For instance, if the man is older I'll say something along the lines of teacher/best friend's dad/boss etc.

    This line conveys a lot of information to your potential customer.
    1. You are educated and can hold your own in a conversation.
    2. You are attracted to him.
    3. You are complimenting his looks without being obvious about it, so his ego is stroked.

    You have to know how to work a little body language to make the line convincing. Practice at home a little. If your timing is off a little, just apologize to the customer because you thought for a minute that he really was your former crush. Maybe elaborate a bit about how many lonely nights the thought of his face kept your hands occupied (he-he-he).

    Then transition into sales mode with something like, "I don't suppose you'd like to share this little fantasy with me tonight, would you?" And be sure to nod your head yes very slightly when asking. He will mirror your body language and will be saying yes before you know it.

    Then just do your thing. You don't have to do anything special for the dances. He is already in a good place when you close the sale.

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    Thanks guys. Tonight was my first night-- I didn't sell any VIP or sit-downs, everybody just wanted to dance so it really didn't even come up, I was just happy to selling dances because I was so nervous so I didn't push it like I normally would. I sold about 18 dances throughout the night, most people did around 2 songs (long songs though like 4 minutes). I got one guy to do 4, that was the most.

    It's basically dancing on a pole right in front of the customer. They're on a couch but you can't really leave the podium, I was watching some of the other girls and they leaned in and whatnot so I did that, but you can't really get to close in their faces or your arm or something will brush against them. I was sort of amazed everytime someone wanted to do more than a song because after working in LA it all just seemed sort of silly and lame to me, but I guess these guys don't know any different so it's pretty cool to them, lol! I liked it though, it was fun, I got to talk to customers more, actually dance and not just grind on them and all my practicing on the pole paid off! I got tons of compliments on my pole work from customers, no offense to the British dancers on this site but the pole work I saw tonight was pretty lame!!

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    Default Re: transitioning to air dancing... what the hell do I do?

    I thought most of the girls at browns were brazilian? Anyway I couldnt take offense since I barely do any pole work.

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    It's about 70% Brazilian why?

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    No its just you were saying the quality of pole dancing was low and you didnt want to offend the british girls. But if there all brazilian its not like your criticising us.

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    This is seriously the hardest transition of my life! I find myself missing contact dances which is SO weird caused I hated doing them so much, but god it's easier to get a guy to do 5 songs when you can touch him as opposed to dancing on a pole 3 feet away! And honestly in some ways I feel more exposed doing these air dances, cause all the guys do is look at your like "what's the point of this?" until you take your bra off, then they stare at your boobs, then you take your panties off and they stare at your pussy intently, literally moving their head up, down, to the side, etc to get a view, I had one guy stand up last night and get yelled at by the floor man. At contact clubs in LA it's so dark they can hardly see anything and you're moving about in a way that they can't stare at your pussy for 2 minutes.

    At the club I'm at right now I really can't sell more than 1 at a time, and I find making eye contact with the guys difficult, it just makes me uncomfortable, for some reason it was easier when I first started. I'm thinking I need to start bringing conversation into the dance to extend it?

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    I got some great advice here when I got to the UK:
    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...ight=air+dance

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    Thanks for that! Unfortunately I haven't really been able to use most of the advice I've found on HH because the clubs here are so incredibly strict, there's a 3 foot role so something like standing between his legs or blowing on his face is a total no-no... I basically dance on a pole in a podium while he's sitting, it's really a stage dance not a lap dance. I got in trouble for leaning over a guy with my clothes on last week and tonight I got yelled at from the bouncer because I put my foot on the couch (have to have both feet on the podium at all times and can only do floor work if you're in VIP)

    I like the idea of having a sexy convo I just honestly have no idea what to talk to them about...

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    HA U sound like ur at the club I dont work at! What you can do is watch some youtube videos of pop singers ala beyonce, xtina etc and imitate their sultry looks and moves because its not like they're twerking on the floor LOL basically u have to bring it back old school. move slow..glance at him...look away...sway your hips side to side up and down the pole...do some belly dance moves...tease him with your clothes like little peeks...bite your lip..look like your gonna orgasm
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    I guess if they just want to stare at the goods, then let them. Try to give them as good a view as you can, without making yourself feel awkward. Since you are nude, do they have rules on spreading your legs/bending over? When I worked at a nude club, for instance, we could not bend over during a table dance, only in vip. I am guessing this is why they are saying floor work only in vip. I would give them a pretty good view, and then ask if they want to see "more" in vip. Talking sexy has to be a part of it if there is no contact. Otherwise he is going to feel like you don't like him at all as an individual. I would suggest saying that you love being watched, that way they feel they are turning you on without touching you.

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    I could never talk sexy with a bouncer standing right there!!
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    I can honestly say that I personally love clubs with contact. Because it give you a realistic sense of connection with men. I feel the whole "no contact" or "Air Dance" rule is very unrealistic for paying customers. No matter what, dancing is one of the most amazing careers. Because we get to be our true sensual hot selves. We dancers have enough people in our lives barking and breathing down our necks judging us. Why the hell would we want that in a club? and then have to turn around and tip that club out. I say go with your core dancer rules. If you know in your core that you'd make more money in a contact club, then do just that. Go for a club with contact.
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