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    Quote Originally Posted by pink_bunny View Post
    crotch grabs = NO. unless you plan to move on to the next town asap, dont do this. Its a sure road to a beat down by the regular dancers and not a good idea.
    Conspiracy for felony battery isn't a big deal to you but crotch grabs are? And if you actually go the beatdown then drop the conspiracy part and now you are almost certainly doing time. And what if, as is known to happen with multiple attackers the person dies at the end of the beat down? Or even a serious injury, losing an eye or something that happens in fights all the time so this becomes aggravated battery for everyone involved. Or in most states given the change in self defense laws, what if she draws her gun and fires, which wouldn't even be ambiguous as far as self defense given multiple attackers who had agreed in advance to cause bodily harm.

    What do you think the manager does when a detective shows up investigating an incidence of workplace battery involving multiple employees to save himself and distance himself from the rather considerable liability issues? You think he's going to tell you how proud he is about you enforcing the crotch grabs rule? No he wants to, if it is still possible, save his club. So he fires every one of the beat down dancers, turns over any security tapes he can to police and cooperates fully in the crotch grab dancer's lawsuit. Workplace violence over crotch grabs!? Unless by beat down you mean yell at her a few times, you are insane. I know this kind of dancer or dancer violence happens but at least normally it isn't premeditated and serious. It is dancer A scratches dancer B and then they pout for few weeks. A beat down?!

    Quote Originally Posted by pink_bunny View Post
    Moving on. I cant believe this was even suggested. Most places this is an obvius extra. Knightwish, I think you need to be in a different forum.. What the op is looking for is hair/makeup tips/ maybe pick up lines or dance moves. I think you went to far on this one.
    I gave her a perfume comment as well. What she does depends on the club. But ultimately makeup changes may not change the way men react to her. Starlily was right in her comment above regarding that.

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    i really like the idea of thinking suggestively and have that come out in my body language and tone of voice, i'm definitely gonna try that! i thought i could pull off "trashy hot", but there's definitely something im i'm doing wrong so i wouldn't mind changing up my hustle or approaching technique, just not sexually assaulting men lol. i wouldn't mind brushing their leg/back of the ear or something when asking for a dance, but crotch grab would get me in big trouble in my club, plus just not within my boundaries. its Massachusetts and technically a no contact state. but i do appreciate the input!

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    In your naughtiest internal voice, look at the guy and say to yourself.

    "oh sweetie, I'm gonna fuck the shit out of you and your wallet" and in that single moment, mean it. It's not just thinking dirty phrases it's partly believing/meaning what you say. Words are powerless in themselves, it's intent that gives them power. So rock the matching attitude, and have fun.

    Simone is no longer a sweet angel, shes now a rock star party babe! :p
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyaaa View Post
    Oh, something i did tonight when a guy wanted to give me his number i said 'we can't accept numbers when there's so many people/cameras watching. i'll only accept it if you hide it in a tip.' So he gave me $10. Ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    ^ idk i guess im just really bored with it, and not seeing any increase in my money over the past year, like i've hit an earning ceiling or something. and im just sick of young girl next door being the only look i can pull off i guess, i wouldn't say that i like the guys or im comfortable with them, just more comfortable with the look and i wanna try and see if i can attract some different customers !
    I think you just have to play to the inner actress in you, find an alter ego and play to that, sort of like what pink_bunny suggested. And let's face it some of us do have PG bodies but if you dress and act a part to the hilt that perception can very quickly change. A bit of attitude helps! Guys like all sorts of body types and attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aperfectseal View Post
    I have to be the third one to suggest a choker. I have long blonde hair and I usually pair a lingerie set with smoky eyes and a black lace choker every day and I get sooooo many comments from guys expressing how much they love the choker. Then when I say something like "thanks, isn't it so slutty", I think it confirms to them that I've got a hot, naughty side, even though I'm totally not like that... haha.
    Damn you! After reading this I got the idea to look up some chokers, and now I'm $218 down on new work clothes!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyaaa View Post
    Oh, something i did tonight when a guy wanted to give me his number i said 'we can't accept numbers when there's so many people/cameras watching. i'll only accept it if you hide it in a tip.' So he gave me $10. Ha.
    Now that's thinking green!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightwish View Post
    Conspiracy for felony battery isn't a big deal to you but crotch grabs are? And if you actually go the beatdown then drop the conspiracy part and now you are almost certainly doing time. And what if, as is known to happen with multiple attackers the person dies at the end of the beat down? Or even a serious injury, losing an eye or something that happens in fights all the time so this becomes aggravated battery for everyone involved. Or in most states given the change in self defense laws, what if she draws her gun and fires, which wouldn't even be ambiguous as far as self defense given multiple attackers who had agreed in advance to cause bodily harm.

    What do you think the manager does when a detective shows up investigating an incidence of workplace battery involving multiple employees to save himself and distance himself from the rather considerable liability issues? You think he's going to tell you how proud he is about you enforcing the crotch grabs rule? No he wants to, if it is still possible, save his club. So he fires every one of the beat down dancers, turns over any security tapes he can to police and cooperates fully in the crotch grab dancer's lawsuit. Workplace violence over crotch grabs!? Unless by beat down you mean yell at her a few times, you are insane. I know this kind of dancer or dancer violence happens but at least normally it isn't premeditated and serious. It is dancer A scratches dancer B and then they pout for few weeks. A beat down?!
    Crotch grabs & other extras have a way of attracting a certain calibre of customers that do not exactly encourage a clean work environment, if you catch my drift.

    If the girls working at a clean club are set on keeping it that way then yes, the idea of beating up a girl who promotes prostitution, or dances(no pun intended)dangerously close to the line, would not be completely out of left field. It may not be the first disciplinary move by the house girls but it is def on the table. I have yet to see or hear any tales of a beating so severe as you suggested, but I have seen a couple of girls get thoroughly enough thrashed over this that they did not come back, which was the entire point.

    And a gun? Assuming we are talking abt a scrap in the DR or on the floor, rather than the parking lot after work, that would be a pretty big purse or a pretty tiny gun to hide on a dancer's person.

    As to your suggestion of a dirty dancer suing the club/mgmt/whoever over injuries incurred from such a beating, do you really think, when said dirty dancer goes to file her police report, she is going to admit to crotch grabbing or whatever the hell she was doing that inspired said beating? Even if she keeps such details to herself, when the police come to investigate & question dancers involved, those details are probably going to come out. Thus it would not exactly be in a dirty dancer's best interest to pursue the matter since she can't do so w/o a very high chance of incriminating herself. I would think if mgmt is faced w/ the possibility of having his club shut down b/c of prostitution charges he might be more likely to side w/ the dancers who dished out the beating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    Crotch grabs & other extras have a way of attracting a certain calibre of customers that do not exactly encourage a clean work environment, if you catch my drift.
    Of course. I understand the distinction. I was giving a mid-high milage example. Do something within club norms that's dirty was my original point. The other example I gave was perfume.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    If the girls working at a clean club are set on keeping it that way then yes, the idea of beating up a girl who promotes prostitution, or dances(no pun intended)dangerously close to the line, would not be completely out of left field. It may not be the first disciplinary move by the house girls but it is def on the table. I have yet to see or hear any tales of a beating so severe as you suggested, but I have seen a couple of girls get thoroughly enough thrashed over this that they did not come back, which was the entire point.
    What does that mean "thoroughly enough trashed". Surface bruises, broken bones, organ damage, permanent scars? What are we talking about? When she used "beat down" I was thinking something like one girl grabbed a jack from her car and the other two held her. So of course it was happening in the parking lot not the club itself. But regardless, a credible terroristic threat "come back to this club and next time we end you" is also a felony. The laws don't have loopholes that allow you to credibly threaten someone with major physical harm and/or death and not cross over into violent felonies.

    If they yell and maybe slap once and there is no credible threat of physical harm just a lot of emotional then obviously that's embarrassing but it isn't a beat down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    And a gun? Assuming we are talking abt a scrap in the DR or on the floor, rather than the parking lot after work, that would be a pretty big purse or a pretty tiny gun to hide on a dancer's person.
    How could they possibly beat a girl in the club? Bouncers are going to intervene. Customers are going to intervene. The entire thing is going to be in many clean clubs caught on camera. Which now the manager is going to be obligated to retain forever (or at least 7 years). Etc... I'm having a hard time picturing what you are describing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    As to your suggestion of a dirty dancer suing the club/mgmt/whoever over injuries incurred from such a beating, do you really think, when said dirty dancer goes to file her police report, she is going to admit to crotch grabbing or whatever the hell she was doing that inspired said beating?
    Of course! If she were doing outright prostitution she would admit to that too unambiguously and honestly. Prostitution is a misdemeanor and a crotch grab if anything is a violation. No one is going to care about that sort of minor nonsense that led to the workplace violence. If there was a conspiracy with management (i.e. they knew about the violence) she may very well own the strip club a few years after the attack. So even if she has to pay the few thousand dollar fine for prostitution, so what? What you are describing in your post, your defense is you were using threats from previous violence to obtain a service. That would pile an extortion charge on top of the battery charge from the previous post. Vice is not the one investigating this. It goes to detectives from robbery division or something. They don't get points for a prostitution bust against an extortion victim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    I would think if mgmt is faced w/ the possibility of having his club shut down b/c of prostitution charges he might be more likely to side w/ the dancers who dished out the beating.
    No. He might be happy about dancers coming to him and letting him know so he could fire a prostituting dancer. He's going say, "she's a 1099 if I wanted to discipline her that's not hard for me to do. I don't need your help and that attack didn't help". But even if he agrees with you that dirty dancer deserved the beating he can't possibly ever ever do anything that looks like encouragement or sanction. That implicates him in felonies and torts that would get the club seized not just shutdown. He'd be much much happier if the 3 girls beat the dirty dancer up for some non workplace related reason. As far as the crotch grabs funny enough, now she's protected against him even disciplining her for prostitution. Anything he does related to prostitution is going to look like retaliation for the complaint. As a consequence she could start giving blow jobs on the floor and he wouldn't dare fire her for that.

    Looking at it the other way, even if he thought of the crotchgrab as an extra I doubt a club owner would care that much. They have to deal with dancers providing extras of various sorts everyday. For them it is just one of constant issues, that comes with the job an minor administrative problem. As another dancer said on a thread it is women who like to play "pussy police". But even if they did care, a club owner who is connected has ways of having a girl beaten without tying it so directly to the club, as having her coworkers work her over in the club. A club owner who is corporate is going to horrified the same way I am at the idea. The moment you started describing to him why you beat this girl up, he's going to have to tell you stop talking so you all could have an attorney present during this conversation to create privilege. So for a corporate club, not only would the manager not side with you, he might not even be allowed to directly to talk to you about it ever.

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    Uhm can we stop feeding the troll, let's not bring up the junk grabbing any more. 0_o
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyaaa View Post
    Oh, something i did tonight when a guy wanted to give me his number i said 'we can't accept numbers when there's so many people/cameras watching. i'll only accept it if you hide it in a tip.' So he gave me $10. Ha.
    Now that's thinking green!

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    Did anyone mention fishnets? Hard to look innocent in fishnets.

    I know they last like a day when dancing, but then you have ripped fishnets! practically screams that you are their slutty dream girl

    funny thing about blondes, I could care less about hair color, but blondes will still make me look, so if you can take the peroxide, do it.

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    ^ yeah i used to have peroxide bright blond hair , all the girls at work hated it! onel said " you look like trailer trash" so i guess that would work! it was so bad on my hair tho,and made me look older because it wasn't right for my coloring but you think bright blond highlights? maybe multi colored hair?
    i always wanted to do blond with black at the bottom, kinda a la christina aguilera drrrty or maybe brittany murphy. so not looking older but looking sluttier/sexier kinda thing
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    I haven't read all the posts. Has anyone mentioned body language?

    Be the Clint Eastood of ladies, move slow, listen more than talk, make direct eye contact but always have something else on your mind.


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    ok so an update as was requested i bought a nice tight black dress ( thats it outfit wise since i haven't had much money, really need to start cutting out unnecessary bills. going back blond this week), but i've really started being more aggressive and sexual in my hustle .no crotch grabs, but more lightly "touchy feely" and using the advice of thinking dirty thoughts about the customer LOL. its really worked!! i haven't gotten called innocent or wholesome all week

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    ^^
    That's awesome! Good to hear you're falling into the role.
    From the hustle thread it seems like you're making a little better money, hope that keeps up.

    The other important thing is. Are you having fun with it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyaaa View Post
    Oh, something i did tonight when a guy wanted to give me his number i said 'we can't accept numbers when there's so many people/cameras watching. i'll only accept it if you hide it in a tip.' So he gave me $10. Ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissykins View Post
    ^^
    That's awesome! Good to hear you're falling into the role.
    From the hustle thread it seems like you're making a little better money, hope that keeps up.

    The other important thing is. Are you having fun with it?
    oh yeah, maybe a little TOO much fun, i have to stop myself from giggling when i'm thinking all those things haha. the hardest thing for me is to keep in the mindset of assuming the sale and keeping in my mind that i'm a hot bitch but i'm getting there

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    ^^ Oh that's the easy part! You assume the sale because YOU ARE A HOT BITCH! :-D A bit of a smirky giggle might work with what you're going for. ;-)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyaaa View Post
    Oh, something i did tonight when a guy wanted to give me his number i said 'we can't accept numbers when there's so many people/cameras watching. i'll only accept it if you hide it in a tip.' So he gave me $10. Ha.
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    Fishnets and garters and push up bras!

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    It sounds like some minor appearance changes would help - darken or lighten your hair so it's a bit less ambiguous (seriously...guys love it when they can put you into categories so they can make assumptions about you - is she a blonde or brunette? Ambiguous looks confuse them.). Some of the other suggestions in this thread are a bit cray-cray. Literally, I was sitting here like this while reading through it:

    One thing I didn't see mentioned in this thread is the way you move. What does your gait look like? How do you dance? When you walk across the club, do you walk quickly or purposefully and slowly? When you dance, are you so focused on getting tips that you hurry through your set instead of drawing attention to your body and moving sexually? Do you make flirty eye contact with people at your tip rail and people watching your set?

    Also, how often do you smile while dancing / moving around the club? What does your default expression look like? People used to tell me that I looked angry whenever my face was relaxed. Could your relaxed face (especially with bigger eyes) make you look meek, bored, or helpless?

    Lastly, when you first walk up to guys, do you often make physical contact with them (e.g. a gentle touch on the shoulder)? Do you play with your hair and subtly call attention to your body? Do you touch them briefly while you talk to them? (e.g. knee, shoulder, "I love your tie/shirt..." ::reach out and stroke tie/shirt Even if the guy you're talking to turns you down for a dance, other customers in the club are paying attention to how you conduct yourself with other men.

    Just some thoughts!

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    I've been getting this too! I had a couple of guys tell me I look cute and innocent sweet!!! And I am like no Ima bad girl! And they're like no 'you're a girl you could take to momma' OIFFNOLEKVENregergegeg3tUIUD!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm standing in front of you naked on stage!!! Maybe try a more sultry voice!?
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    apparently i look very "trashy hot". big long dark hair, winged eyeliner, a few tattoos, mostly wear red and black etc. big big shoes
    i think its the way you carry yourself.
    act like youre a boss and act like youre the best

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    yeah my blond got delayed because of money, but i'm doing it this sunday! idk, i get the young, fresh, wholesome look from my mom..she's 60 years old and still has that young "susie cream cheese" innocent look.
    i am far from coy or good girl out back. i don't do extras, but i really put my all into being as sultry and hot as i possibly can be. once they are back there they love my dances but its getting them back there that has been the problem.
    i'm getting way better at being sexy in my approach tho. i'll catch myself talking to them like a " good girl", and immediately stop and switch back to sexy bad girl. its just so hard to keep in character but its getting way better.

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    all in the attitude i think. the more you do it, the more natural you will feel! the more natural you feel, the more convincing you are! you go, bad girl

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    yeah you're right..although i do think that certain girls like brittany murphy and fairuza balk have that "trashy bad girl" face naturally, while i gotta put in a bit more effort :/

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    I'm having such a problem with this!!!!! Like Simone, once I get the guy he is sooooo into it...and im good at acting into it...he wants to take me home...licking his lips...etc but before that NOTHING!!! I think I need to be more agressive/pushy..but I don't want to be a bossy black girl..idk
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    It's been a looooong time since I've looked sweet, getting tattoos helped
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    ^ yeahh it probably doesn't help that i have a huge intricate butterfly tattoo, a last unicorn one on my thigh, and cherries on my arm :p

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