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    Hey guys,

    So normally this doesn't bother me, but I'm having some issues with this at my club. In the past I have worked at clubs where everyone is seated, so I could just sit down next to one customer, usually on my knees, and speak to him while the other was engaged with the stage-- also, they weren't usually talking to each other. Occasionally I would speak to both at the same time, but rarely. It was easy for me to speak to just one customer without it seeming like I was ignoring the other.

    But the new club I'm working at doesn't really have chairs, everyone just sort of stands around (it's a strip pub and it's hell on my feet!) and the customers are usually engaged in conversation. So it's really difficult for me to approach one customer when he's with a group of two or three, it's like I'm actively ignoring the other one or two (and I've been called out on it a couple times now). I feel this pressure to speak to both of them at the same time and it's awkward, because when it comes time for me to ask someone for a dance, I sometimes can't tell who's more interested or who is going to spend, and then if one says no it's pretty awkward to ask the friend. I've been using the line "well, would you mind if I took your friend back there for a bit to get naked for him?" but to be honest it's not working very well!

    And, I know approaching with another girl would be a great idea, but I'm not having the easiest time making friends at this club. I'm American and I'm realizing there is a major culture difference here... I'm extremely friendly and it seems to be a turn off. It's mostly Brazilian girls who keep to themselves or only hang out with other Brazilian girls and the English girls have been pretty cold to me. I actually got asked twice on Saturday from guys to go find a friend and do a double dance for them and their friend and I couldn't even find a girl to come with me! Which was crazy to me, I mean I was offering up a customer to them, and I asked two girls and they both turned me down (thank god the second time I was able to find a fellow SW member to come with me!). I NEVER had this problem at my old club, I mean even the super cold/heartless Russian dances who would steal a customer from you after he already paid you wouldn't turn down a double dance and would thank me for it afterwards....

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    I just walk up to them and say "There's more than enough of these to smother you both with." *jiggling my moneymakers*
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    i always HATED approaching groups but a week ago i finally learned the importance of it, if you can get one guy back there and give him a great dance they tell their friends ,and it can really turn around a bad night and save you a lot of time hustling when their buddies are pretty much doing it for you!. i will try and go up to a group of guys and just say " hey how are you guys doing tonight? having fun?" and make eye contact with all of them individually, and usually at least one guy will show interest more than the others ..if i can't tell when it comes time to ask, i say " who's up for some fun out back with me?" and depending oh how many guys there are at least one of them will say yes..sometimes its hard to know who to ask, so unless im pretty sure then i don't leave the others out and narrow in on just one guy.

    and that is insane about the no seating thing. what the hell? that can't be very much fun , having to stand on your feet at all times, im hoping at least they have a bar you can sit at?

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    ^Dude it's hell! Not to mention it's an air dance club so I don't even get to sit down when I'm giving dances, I have to dance on a podium with a pole and I don't like laying down too much because it's unsanitary (but I'm not going to lie I do it occasionally out of exhaustion). I work between two pubs and one has a seat area but the customers weren't going to that area, they were just standing all day today, and the other has a bar but once again the customers never really sit at the bar. I have never been so exhausted as I am at the end of these shifts, my feet are KILLING me.

    I like the idea of just asking everyone, that works better! Since it's a pub it seems like it's more popular for guys to come in in groups, I saw VERY few single customers today.

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    I actually had the opposite problem when I moved to my current city. I had always worked in clubs like yours one where tons of guys came in pairs or groups. I quickly found out that my group hustle was very misplaced here -- guys think it's weird and other dancers think you're monopolizing unless you just plop down in someone's lap. I miss groups so much now!

    My advice is to think of yourself more as an entertainer than a seductress. The best way to go in my experience is to adopt an over the top, almost arrogant (yet charming) persona. Position yourself in the center of things and make eye contact with each person as you introduce yourself. Ask if there's an occasion, and if there isn't, ask if they'd like to pretend there's something to celebrate. Try to establish social dominance as quickly as possible -- if someone rejects you, feel free to make a lighthearted joke about how your sexiness has been known to intimidate, and restate your pitch to everyone else even harder. It's important not to miss a beat in this situation because faltering makes you the loser of the group. On the other hand, men (and occasionally women) love to see a sexy woman take the piss out of their asshole friend, so don't be afraid to come right back with a joke.

    Speak loudly and clearly, but quickly -- don't leave too many long pauses. If some people in the group start to look away, speak even louder to re-engage them, OR if you think you have a single buyer for sure, isolate them and sell. But be careful not to alienate the shy ones too quickly, though. They may wind up spending the most as long as you put in an effort to make them feel included.

    One trick I use is to ask the group to nominate the person who needs a dance the most if no one bites immediately. If you get one, ask that person to nominate the next lucky recipient. Once in a lifetime opportunity! (Unless you tip me enough, then it can be all night!) Hopefully you can keep this up until everyone's gotten one, and then you can repeat starting with your "favorite" (the person who tipped best or seemed to enjoy it the most) or the first person who got one. Another nice thing about having a group nominate the first customer is that oftentimes someone else pays for the dance. It's also very easy to hustle each member of the group to throw down a few bucks for an "extra special" dance. And after your first dance is over, you can ask that person if they'd like to return the favor for their friends. Even if they didn't love their dance, the feeling of indebtedness to their friends oftentimes leads to them throwing down cash for someone else's. And if they don't, you can come back and make a joke about how so and so is such a cheapass and won't reciprocate -- now who else here actually deserves the next one?

    Not the only hustle that works, but it was the easiest for me. Hope it helps!

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    I usually do the whole "what brings you here on a saturday?" or whatever day it is, go from there
    or if i get a good vibe, i like to open with "so, are you guys here on a bro date?" if they go with it, "do you fuck him or does he fuck you?"
    "i think you guys should split up for a little bit, so whos coming for a dance first?"
    the younger guys love it haha

    here in australia anyway

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    I'll sit there talking about mundane stuff- topless. Usually they're slack jawed and silent. I wonder why. Then it's like taking candy from a baby.
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    I know it's not really warranted, but change clubs? Sounds like this one is just a mission...

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    Just go up and grab one and start pulling him to the dance room. Say something fun about how their friend is your s for a min and you promise to bring him back (maybe) once you're done with him. And see what happens.

    About half the time they go right with you (I do this to solo guys as well with good success). If he protest you can roll into the whole he isn't having a good enough time maybe one of his friends wants to help him out pitch. If that didn't fly you can introduce yourself and work the usual pitch on his other friends.

    I love groups of guys. If any of them get jealous and complain about being ignored it's a perfect in for pitching them a dance and how you'll give him your full attention.

    And give them lots of shit. Guys love it when girls give their friends shit. If you have them laughing, they usually end up buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystalize View Post
    I know it's not really warranted, but change clubs? Sounds like this one is just a mission...
    I would never!! lol. This club is very good, I still don't know why they hired me everytime I go to work and see these gorgeous Brazilian girls I feel so plain!

    Thanks for the advice guys I will try it out when I work Friday. I didn't really give it a try with any of the groups of guys tonight, they just all looked like they were deep in conversation and I felt like there was no way they would want to buy a dance from me. I know I have to get out of that mindset, but I mostly stuck to the guys who by themselves...

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    I only avoid guys who look deep in especially unpleasant conversation. Everyone else is fair game. I know it's intimidating, but think of it this way -- if you were at a club with a few friends, would you all sit quietly and watch the dancers until they approached you, or would you kill time by chatting? When I go to clubs as a customer I'm the worst, always on my phone if I'm alone or chatting with friends. But as soon as a dancer I like comes over I'm a really easy sell.

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    +1 on what lol1337a said! i went up to a group of guys and i was in a mood today and when they balked at getting dances i said " oh come on, stop being a bunch of pussies!" or " its ok if you're shy, we can do one dance to start with". one of my friends even goes so far as to say " aww he's afraid i'll feel how tiny his dick is. that's ok" 9/10 the guy's responses are " shy? little dick? pussy? fuck you i'm going for a dance!" if they are in front of their buddies, or another guy will go for it because you made him laugh and gave his buddy hell.
    i actually harassed a guy into getting a dance tonight, first time ever! i said " come on, i've been sitting with you for a half hour! you are going to get a damn dance, and its going to be a good one!" then i made a deal with him that if it sucked, he could have it half off ( but my dances never suck, so i was 100% confident)

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