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    Default Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    Pretty cool place, from my really limited experience with the live studio section. Security looks good - you can't get in before a rather burly looking doorman lets you past. There were a bunch of skateboarders out front, but they didn't heckle or anything. Everyone there was extremely friendly. They had four or five big studio rooms set up for camming with pretty great lighting and a cam that zooms and pans with a remote. Every room has a fucking machine - they supply the dildos for it as well as lube and condoms. They even clean up after you once you leave!

    I scheduled some slots for camming for Kink Live there, and I think it's really going to help me keep a schedule and hit my goals.
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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    I used to live 2 blocks from there . I hear they pay $15/hour for KinkLive and you have to stay on their scheduling, right? 3-4 hour shifts? Or is it different now?

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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    I used to live 2 blocks from there . I hear they pay $15/hour for KinkLive and you have to stay on their scheduling, right? 3-4 hour shifts? Or is it different now?
    There's no hourly payment - just the Kink Live commission - and their booking seems super flexible. They give you a number to call or text if you need to cancel at any point. You can book shifts in one-hour increments, and there was no mention of any minimum required length.






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    I love kink in general! they really treat their models well

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    @Modelwillow I've actually heard the exact opposite. Kink kind of reminds me of Google. They're big on promoting a certain image of being the "good guys" when in reality they're no better. I read a really horrifying post about the Nicki Blue debacle (long story short: threw a big party for a girl to lose her virginity live on cam, paired her with a guy with a huge cock, tied her up in a way that he had trouble penetrating, kept trying and trying but it wouldn't go in, she was clearly in pain--not the good kind--and asked him to stop but he didn't stop right away, they ended up injecting her vag with numbing agents so they could finish the shoot, then they tried to keep everyone who was watching quiet about what happened), can't seem to find it right now but if I do I'll edit it in. I've heard similar concerns about safety and professionalism over at Kink... honestly the company kind of grosses me out and it's part of the reason why I was hesitant to sign up with Kinklive, however I recognize that if other sites had a business model in which they worked so closely with their models they would likely have similar issues. But the whole thing kind of grosses me out now.

    However it's definitely interesting to hear about different approaches to camming/sex work and I'm sure working in the Armory will be a fascinating experience

    EDIT: Found it! (<-- Changed the link, the first link went to this article, which talks in depth about working in the Armory but wasn't specifically about Nicki Blue.)
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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    There are several girls who say they've been mistreated by Kink - it's hard to say how often they "get it right," as they have done thousands of shoots and most models haven't expressed an opinion. When the stories are bad, they're REALLY bad - one lady had to have plastic surgery after the beating she received during a shoot, even though she explicitly (and obviously) didn't want to be left with permanent marks.

    This is actually a big part of the reason I'm glad they're putting more resources into Kink Live - solo work just seems a lot safer. There's something inherently dangerous about pairing two strangers up for a heavy BDSM scene - in "real" BDSM, the people involved would have gone more slowly and become accustomed to each other's "distress signals," so they're more likely to notice things like "sub drop." I know from experience that it's possible to receive enough pain that you *want* to use your safe word but have forgotten it or simply can't speak - once you get into that primal "fight or flight" mode, cognition goes by the wayside and remembering basic information and thinking rationally is very difficult.

    Anyway, all the staff I met in the Live department could not have been nicer. With the exception of the doorman, every staff member I met was female. (Martin was supposed to give me the tour, but he was out sick.)






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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabihah View Post
    There's something inherently dangerous about pairing two strangers up for a heavy BDSM scene - in "real" BDSM, the people involved would have gone more slowly and become accustomed to each other's "distress signals," so they're more likely to notice things like "sub drop."
    That's probably why I cannot watch their stuff.





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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    This applies more to Kink and less to Kink Live but: Its a BDSM company. Of course there will likely be pain. Either receiving pain or giving pain. Or pushing limits. That's... the entire point of BDSM. You should know that, going into it. Its KINK afterall, and that is the entire point of their company.

    A lot of people genuinely enjoy pain. And some don't. If you don't like BDSM, don't work for them. The director isn't a mind reader and has to assume that every girl who wants to shoot for them, genuinely WANTS to be there and has researched the company (Kink) before. Even "porn stars" act, so looking like you're in pain means nothing because the point is to look like you're in a lot of pain. Its BDSM. Of course you'll have a bad experience if you work with a BDSM company when you don't like BDSM. Logic.

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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    I've heard both 'sides' to the Kink treatment of models debate, both that they are respectful and not. There is "liking pain" and then there are someone's personal limits. I certainly would never let anyone else decide what MY limits are, and so I wouldn't do BDSM with a stranger. I think it's completely fucked up and wrong to continue hurting someone when they ask you to stop. There's also money involved, and I imagine that it would be harder to stop when you're afraid of not being paid for a shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by space_cowgirl View Post
    I've heard both 'sides' to the Kink treatment of models debate, both that they are respectful and not. There is "liking pain" and then there are someone's personal limits. I certainly would never let anyone else decide what MY limits are, and so I wouldn't do BDSM with a stranger. I think it's completely fucked up and wrong to continue hurting someone when they ask you to stop. There's also money involved, and I imagine that it would be harder to stop when you're afraid of not being paid for a shoot.
    With Kink, you always have a safe word, and they film you at the end of the segment asking if you liked your experience, and what you liked about it.

    Porn is always working with strangers. That is the nature of the business. I would imagine that if this girl didn't want to work with a stranger, she shouldn't have sought after and then agreed to do porn.

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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    I love the little segments for Kink where they talk about the scene and consent. It promotes awareness of the importance of consent which is great and will help people to understand kink and porn in general.

    Some people are comfortable doing BDSM with strangers, like with play parties, etc. However, porn is just like any other industry. Sure you agree to a work a job, like any job...but some bosses try to fuck you over/are assholes and some are decent people. Pointing this out isn't kink shaming or sex negative or whatever, it's just reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Procrasturbator View Post
    @Modelwillow I've actually heard the exact opposite. Kink kind of reminds me of Google. They're big on promoting a certain image of being the "good guys" when in reality they're no better. I read a really horrifying post about the Nicki Blue debacle (long story short: threw a big party for a girl to lose her virginity live on cam, paired her with a guy with a huge cock, tied her up in a way that he had trouble penetrating, kept trying and trying but it wouldn't go in, she was clearly in pain--not the good kind--and asked him to stop but he didn't stop right away, they ended up injecting her vag with numbing agents so they could finish the shoot, then they tried to keep everyone who was watching quiet about what happened), can't seem to find it right now but if I do I'll edit it in. I've heard similar concerns about safety and professionalism over at Kink... honestly the company kind of grosses me out and it's part of the reason why I was hesitant to sign up with Kinklive, however I recognize that if other sites had a business model in which they worked so closely with their models they would likely have similar issues. But the whole thing kind of grosses me out now.

    However it's definitely interesting to hear about different approaches to camming/sex work and I'm sure working in the Armory will be a fascinating experience

    EDIT: Found it! (<-- Changed the link, the first link went to this article, which talks in depth about working in the Armory but wasn't specifically about Nicki Blue.)
    Omg, this is so sad. Fuck whoever directed/was in charge of that shoot, ugh.

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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    I've shot for Kink and I am shooting with them again. They have you fill out a form that lists what you will and won't do and were very respectful of my limits. I know other performers that worked with them and didn't have issues either. It's always important to make your limits very clear and don't just shoot anything for the money. Limits are set for a reason, so don't make the cash your main goal. Safety is always first

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    If you read the comments on that page you will see posts from many people (kink staff included) who were there in the room as it happened live, and they did not feel as if the scene happened as described by the girl who watched the broadcast. I was mortified too after reading that post initially, but after reading further down, it seems the actual model was very happy with how things went, etc etc and everything was done as carefully as possible minus the "technical difficulties" which were perhaps not well enough planned for. I don't have any actual experience with Kink, but after reading all that (good and bad), if I were into working on projects like that, I would feel ok working with them.

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    ^Thanks for posting, I'm inclined to believe the model herself above anyone else because only he/she can say for sure what happened, so it's great she was happy with the shoot.

    I've no doubt some porn directors are abusive and push limits, but hopefully Kink is as respectful as they seem to be because I really would like to shoot some scenes with them one day haha

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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    I did my first session in the studios today - it was a three hour block, but I was only on cam on-and-off for 2.5 hours. Made pretty good money for that time period, despite technical difficulties.

    (At one point one of the wonderful tech support ladies ran into the room, yelling "Tech support to the rescue!" and started working on an issue I was having that involved my play session participants being unable to see my feed. I was totally naked at that point and caught a little off-guard, but I found it hilarious.)

    It was nice being able to go down the hall whenever I was having issues with the equipment. I wish I had a tech support person to rescue me at home, heh.

    Not sure if I'm going to keep going in - it's definitely good that having a schedule forces me to get in a few hours every day, and the guys seem to love that I'm there, but it's a hassle taking the public transit and I was feeling really burnt out by the end of my shift. That, and it IS super awkward to be naked in an unfamiliar place - but I'm sure that feeling will wear off if I keep going in.






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    Quote Originally Posted by yesmissrose View Post
    Thanks for posting, Sabihah! I'm actually taking a working vacay to SF in anticipation of maybepossiblyhopefully relocating to the Bay Area, and I booked a KL studio at the Armory.

    I feel nervous about working in a semi-public space too, but in a kind of excited way cuz I know it'll be good for me. And it might be nice to have other folks around while I work. Mostly I'm worried about the slow traffic and being excruciatingly bored outta my miiiiiiiind.
    Maybe we'll meet there!

    You can always take a break if it's super dead - they don't mind at all if you leave the room for a bit. They've got a coffee/espresso machine downstairs that I plan to make frequent trips to. I usually take a 10-15 minute break every hour I work, unless it's really busy.






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    Default Re: Just got back from the Kink Armory!

    I was there 3 years ago....and not doing cam..exactly...
    I would love it now do cam with kink but they dont have blocking countries yet..

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    i miss that place so much. but......SoCal owns my heart.
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