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    Default Re: Just Started. Not Making ANY Money. What Am I Doing Wrong?

    How much is your house fee? Your whole problem is probably that you have to pay a ridiculous house fee but you haven't learned to hustle yet.

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    Default Re: Just Started. Not Making ANY Money. What Am I Doing Wrong?

    It's a learning curve and most of that stuff is a steaming pile of horseshit. Some make money right away, some take years. The strip and grow rich is a decent program for newbs but most of these other programs are no different than the "Put a quarter in the basket" religious infomercials on TV.
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    Default Re: Just Started. Not Making ANY Money. What Am I Doing Wrong?

    Are you getting too friendly with the customers? By that I mean, are you talking about hobbies/interests/shit like that, rather than keeping the convo on clubs and dances?

    My hustle consists of about one song of bullshitting about "Do you come in here often? What other clubs do you go to?" etc. etc. because I tend to not get dances from guys who get into more personal conversations. They stop seeing you as a sex object and start seeing you as a buddy or potential date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    Are you getting too friendly with the customers? By that I mean, are you talking about hobbies/interests/shit like that, rather than keeping the convo on clubs and dances?

    My hustle consists of about one song of bullshitting about "Do you come in here often? What other clubs do you go to?" etc. etc. because I tend to not get dances from guys who get into more personal conversations. They stop seeing you as a sex object and start seeing you as a buddy or potential date.
    THIS! stop having " normal, interesting conversations" with these guys. they come in for their sexy fantasy girl, not for a buddy. don't friend-zone yourself. i used to to do this for years, then i started being more flirty, touchy ( like lightly brushing a shoulder or ear, putting my leg across theirs etc), and seductive. don't sit with them for a long time either.
    and stop listening to "strip and grow rich", it isn't helpful at all. maybe it was way back before the economy went south, but check out hustle hut instead! and assume the sale. don't go in there expecting them to say no


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    I've been doing the same as u! I like talking to thegroups of guys and then when I ask for dances it goes bad. I've also beeen told it's not what u say but how. I do the whole flirty/dirty talk and touch as much as I can (no lap sitting club) and guys like it. You just have to be consistent, time yourself, smile and look happy a lot. Don't get negative if he says no...you'll get over it after a room full of nos lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    and stop listening to "strip and grow rich", it isn't helpful at all. maybe it was way back before the economy went south, but check out hustle hut instead! and assume the sale. don't go in there expecting them to say no
    The concepts behind Strip & Grow Rich are useful - they are just outdated. If you can take the core concepts and make them relevant to today's stripping culture and the economy, they'll work in your favor. One of the biggest takeaways being to never ask for a dance. If you ask a question, they can respond with a "no." Like you said, Simone, you need to assume the sale. "You look ready for a dance. Let's go!" + body language

    OP - my response was going to be similar to Selina M's. That said, some information about your appearance would help give us a better understanding of your situation. And information about the club would be helpful, too (big club vs. small, city vs. rural, high- vs. low-turnover, etc.). Remember to pay attention to what the top earners in your club do (their personal style, the speed of their hustles, their body language, etc.).

    It is also possible that you still just don't have the smoothness that comes with a practiced hustle. Everyone wants to make beaucoup bucks right away in this industry, but it may take some time to build up your confidence and whatnot. Just keep your eyes open and keep tweaking your style & hustle.

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    I think it would be really helpful if you shared what you've been doing during your first three shifts, because otherwise we're just guessing as what you're doing wrong. Take us through a typical interaction you have with a customer. Also, is the club busy? Are all the other girls selling dances relatively easily and only you are struggling? The more information you can give us, the more helpful we can be.

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    You don't actually have to talk about sex to talk sexually. I'm from London, and the British accent and dirty talk DO NOT MIX WELL! At home I do just fine with the spoiled princess hustle, but in America it doesn't work for me, so I do the flirty bimbo. It's not sex talk, but I make them feel like I find them sexy.
    I say things that make them feel super manly. It's important that I seem impressed by them because I'm tall and look intimidating, so I dumb it down and act like I've never met such an amazing guy.
    When I introduce myself and shake their hand, I always say things like "Wow, what a firm handshake, you're so strong. I bet you're great at massages!" I'll ask "What are you doing out so late on a work night, you're so naughty!"*Giggle* "Are you always such a bad boy?" *more giggles* I spend a lot of time sipping my drink and looking up at them with big impressed eyes, and constantly laugh at their jokes and thank them for taking such good care of me.

    BUT, regardless of whether I'm being a bitch or a flirty bimbo, I try really hard to never talk about normal things, and not to talk for more than a couple of songs. No one is going to pay for your attention if you're being fabulous and friendly for free. If I haven't closed the sale after a few minutes, I light a cigarette and start looking bored. They'll normally ask for a dance or struggle to get my attention back with drinks and compliments, and I can sell a dance or get a tip from there.

    I don't think its that you're not cut out for it, I think you just need to be less friendly, and more flirty, although obviously I don't know what you're saying when you talk to guys. I do know that when I started I tried way too hard to be the awesome chick that the guys all liked and wanted to hang out with - and it worked, they did want to hang out all night.
    They just didn't want to pay me for it!

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    Im starting to think maybe guys...white guys expect black girls to be more...domineering..so when we aren't it's like a turn off? IDK I read an article that talked about black women being the perfect or most respected type of boss. I forget most of it but that was very interesting. Anyway, I am soooo submissive at first but in clubs you kinda have to act like a man
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    Default Re: Just Started. Not Making ANY Money. What Am I Doing Wrong?

    Approach every customer as if you want to have sex with them right that second. Don't talk about normal stuff outside of introducing yourself. Forget all the sales advice, just flirt like crazy before asking for a dance. Try using your newness to the biz as an ice breaker. Telling the customers that you have never given a lap dance in your life, and would like to get their feedback on it should do the trick.

    ETA: On day shift it takes a few weeks to start making steady money as you build up your regulars. Hang in there and talk to everyone in the bar. It's a numbers game, and the more people you chat with, the higher your chances are of closing a sale.

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    You can also learn a lot by watching the other girls work.

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    You need to be an opportunist when hustling. ALWAYS look for an opening to bring the conversation back to dances, even if you & the customer are just discussing sm random normal topic. I was once sitting w/ two guys & sm how the conversation got onto board/tabletop games; one of the guys mentioned that game 'Connect 4'. The three of us had a laugh over that b/c we were all feeling kinda dated at the mention of that old game, then I turned to the guy that I mainly had my eye on & said smtg abt 'Now I think it is time for us to have a game of Connect 2!' Boom, dances.

    Also, since your posts were distinctly lacking in details as to your approach & your interactions w/ customers, like the other girls said, it would help us help you to know more abt those things. Also look all thru Hustle Hut, I just started dancing again recently & have been working my way thru this section from the very first threads. I have been dancing for several yrs off&on, but my new club is a bit different hustle than I am used to so needed to go back & see what else is out there & how to apply it to my current work environment. I even started a WordPerfect document to copy the really useful info into as I look thru threads.

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    Strip and Grow Rich is a scam. It's as bad as a real estate get rich seminar.

    A few things:

    If in 3 songs, the customer has not bought a drink or a dance, move on. That's roughly 10-12 minutes. Plenty of time for him to decide he likes you.
    Don't ASK for dances. TELL them they're getting dances. Examples: "Well enough about me, now let's focus on you. Come on, let's go do a dance." "You know what time it is? Time for me to get naked for you, let's go!" "I'm really glad I met you tonight, I've had so much fun! I see an open dance booth... let go have even MORE fun."

    ETC ETC AD NAUSEUM. I usually try to make them feel like the most important person in the world, and I use it to my advantage when I get a rejection. If a guy says no to a dance, I'll usually do one of three things:

    1) Look crestfallen and say "Oh okay. I don't WANT to get up, but I have to go grab some dances. Let me know if you change your mind, I'll be thinking of you." Then immediately get up and walk away. A lot of times they'll actually stop me and change their minds.
    2) Be playful and be like "Come on, you're worth it. Everyone deserves a treat now and again. I definitely think you deserve it!"
    3) Shrug and say "Well, I'd rather spend time with you than anyone else here, but I'll make do. See ya!"

    I know this all seems disjointed but it's hard to organise a decade of experience and advice into a cohesive post.

    I hate to ask but what are you wearing? Do you have proper heels and attire? What's your hair and makeup look like? This all factors in. If you look expensive, you can command expensive. If you're in 3in Target heels and some Walmart bra and panty set, that's working against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vackra View Post
    Strip and Grow Rich is a scam. It's as bad as a real estate get rich seminar.

    A few things:

    If in 3 songs, the customer has not bought a drink or a dance, move on. That's roughly 10-12 minutes. Plenty of time for him to decide he likes you.
    Don't ASK for dances. TELL them they're getting dances. Examples: "Well enough about me, now let's focus on you. Come on, let's go do a dance." "You know what time it is? Time for me to get naked for you, let's go!" "I'm really glad I met you tonight, I've had so much fun! I see an open dance booth... let go have even MORE fun."

    ETC ETC AD NAUSEUM. I usually try to make them feel like the most important person in the world, and I use it to my advantage when I get a rejection. If a guy says no to a dance, I'll usually do one of three things:

    1) Look crestfallen and say "Oh okay. I don't WANT to get up, but I have to go grab some dances. Let me know if you change your mind, I'll be thinking of you." Then immediately get up and walk away. A lot of times they'll actually stop me and change their minds.
    2) Be playful and be like "Come on, you're worth it. Everyone deserves a treat now and again. I definitely think you deserve it!"
    3) Shrug and say "Well, I'd rather spend time with you than anyone else here, but I'll make do. See ya!"

    I know this all seems disjointed but it's hard to organise a decade of experience and advice into a cohesive post.

    I hate to ask but what are you wearing? Do you have proper heels and attire? What's your hair and makeup look like? This all factors in. If you look expensive, you can command expensive. If you're in 3in Target heels and some Walmart bra and panty set, that's working against you.
    Much agreement w/ the idea of 'looking expensive to command expensive.' My new club is a bit more upscale than others I have worked, they require minidresses/gowns the whole wk except for Sunday when we can wear 2piece outfits. This meant having to get sm new outfits but I found sm lovely things (basically clubbing dresses & one is an XL shirt that I took in a bit at the side) that are each in a single, bold colour & have rhinestone accents on the sleeve & shoulder areas in particular; plunging necklines that are drape-y rather than just displaying everything à la JLo. They look classy & polished w/o looking overdone. I have noticed even in the 2 wks I have been working at this place that those seem to be my $$$-maker outfits.

    Also @ Vackra, re your 'every1 deserves a treat now & again' line, do you actually have good success w/ lines like that? I am genuinely curious. It sounds like the kind of line a customer would try to take as you suggesting a freebie then balking when you refuse to 'treat' him.

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    ^^ I do, and not to sound conceited or arrogant but I've never had a guy ask me for a free dance. Discounted yes, but never free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vackra View Post
    ^^ I do, and not to sound conceited or arrogant but I've never had a guy ask me for a free dance. Discounted yes, but never free.
    I did not take that as conceited, & hope my question did not come off as having an attitude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy1 View Post
    Had another bad day. Having more bad ones than good. Extremely upset and disappointed. Thinking about quitting. Any advice?
    You mentioned earlier that you're a black girl working in one of the two white clubs in town, and that your club isn't even topless. It sounds like you're working at a lingerie club - I've never heard of those being lucrative enough to be worth most people's time. Do you think you'd do better at an urban club? Are there other clubs in your city that are at least topless?

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    ^ yeah, switch clubs! also, when you first start stripping it takes awhile to get get the hang of it and get your hustle down. it took me about a year to really start making good money consistently

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    ^ yeah, switch clubs! also, when you first start stripping it takes awhile to get get the hang of it and get your hustle down. it took me about a year to really start making good money consistently
    That's how long it took me to start making money, too! It also took me a year to really start nailing down my 'look.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy1 View Post
    Had another bad day. Having more bad ones than good. Extremely upset and disappointed. Thinking about quitting. Any advice?
    I would stop going in for a while and reset your mood. Going in when after crap days = crap pay and you'll end up just paying the club. Do you think your convo comes of as awkward? If so maybe shorten it and get to the point and keep moving. You'll get used the flow of convo and you can get to more guys. What type of club are you even in? Like how do most girls make their money? What are the prices of the dances?[that's what killed me at my club]
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