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    Default Re: Is this considered a good amount for what I do?

    Last time I checked you work in the adult industry so you should be able to answer your own question. I suggest dropping the attitude because it will NOT go over well on here at all. Everyone on here does work hard and to imply they don't is just wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by serena1 View Post
    im not greedy, im asking whats considered good for the ADULT INDUSTRY like camming. I work hard for my money. Maybe you should work harder then if you want to get out of debt. How dare you call me greedy I work my ass off for what I make, Bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    I call bullshit on the OP, it's a troll thread. I do not believe for one instance a new model on MFC that doesn't do any public shows makes $8000 a month hanging out and selling video's. The problem with not using cam names on here is anyone can post anything and be full of shit. There's no way to verify it.
    I don't doubt her, actually. There are some BIG spenders on MFC. I've had my camscore rise by 1000+ in one day from tips during one really, really lucky show, and it gets a lot easier to make your money snowball once you get a break like that. I know one guy who's spent several hundred thousand dollars over the years (verified by his point count) and doesn't buy privates at all.

    But it's a mistake to assume those breaks will necessarily keep coming. I had a GREAT hourly in December and a camscore of 4500+. Now I'm down to 3400 and really have to work to earn what I want. I think (almost) everyone knows that camscore is not a reflection of effort.






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    I agree but the way she wrote her posting makes me doubt her. Either she wanted to play stupid and brag or she is a troll. I agree that you can't assume it will always be like that. Some weeks are killer and others are blah. How do they do scores on MFC?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sabihah View Post
    I don't doubt her, actually. There are some BIG spenders on MFC. I've had my camscore rise by 1000+ in one day from tips during one really, really lucky show, and it gets a lot easier to make your money snowball once you get a break like that. I know one guy who's spent several hundred thousand dollars over the years (verified by his point count) and doesn't buy privates at all.

    But it's a mistake to assume those breaks will necessarily keep coming. I had a GREAT hourly in December and a camscore of 4500+. Now I'm down to 3400 and really have to work to earn what I want. I think (almost) everyone knows that camscore is not a reflection of effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    I agree but the way she wrote her posting makes me doubt her. Either she wanted to play stupid and brag or she is a troll. I agree that you can't assume it will always be like that. Some weeks are killer and others are blah. How do they do scores on MFC?
    My understanding is that it's basically just a measure of tokens earned vs. time spent online. Earn more tokens in less time (either broadcasting or Away) and your camscore will rise. You can't determine a model's earnings based on camscore because she could be working tons of hours or virtually none. If the OP is being truthful, I made less money than she does when I had my 4500 camscore because I was only working about 10 hours/week.

    EDIT: It's also weighted against the earnings of the other models working during the same time period - so if everyone else is making bank and you're doing pretty average, your camscore will drop.






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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    I call bullshit on the OP, it's a troll thread. I do not believe for one instance a new model on MFC that doesn't do any public shows makes $8000 a month hanging out and selling video's. The problem with not using cam names on here is anyone can post anything and be full of shit. There's no way to verify it.
    According to previous posts she has been working there a full year already so she isn't that new.... You can build some serious regulars in that time frame.

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    I've never understood what's so bad about being greedy. I mean unless you're the government or some company asking for a bailout and go on private jets and give out bonuses. When I read about customers calling camgirls and strippers greedy or saying things like you only do this for money I'm sitting there thinking well duh. I'm saying don't most people work to make money. Ya dam right I'm greedy. The only time I'd get offended about being called greedy is if I was hurting someone else to get money....like scams, The Wolf of Wall Street type of stock broking, etc.

    Anywho "Is $8,000 (or insert any #) a month considered a good amount for what you do?"..... If you are able to; pay your bills, live how you want, and achieve what you want then yes you are making a good amount.
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    No matter how curious I am, I don't think I could straight up ask a person "How much money do you make?" If that's information they wish to volunteer, cool. But I just wouldn't feel right asking a personal question like that. Hell, it still gets on my nerves when I tell my grandmom about a new guy, and the first thing out of her mouth is "What does he do?" Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serena1 View Post
    im not greedy, im asking whats considered good for the ADULT INDUSTRY like camming. I work hard for my money. Maybe you should work harder then if you want to get out of debt. How dare you call me greedy I work my ass off for what I make, Bitch.
    I've got news for you - working 4 hours a shift is not working hard. I work 12 hour shifts. I only do that 4x per week because I'm physically exhausted from that. I would love to make $8000 a month, but I can't... unfortunately I'm not able to work on MFC so I can't try.

    Working only 4 hour shifts to make that much would be a dream come true for me.

    Judging by the negative response to your question, you're making a lot more than most on this forum.
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    OP, I'm here to tell ya, that's chicken feed!





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    I don't think we should knock anyone for being "greedy," e.g. making bank when and while they can. And I don't think it's a problem posting what you make, as long as you do it through the proper channels - e.g. the "Camming ROCKS right now" thread or a goal thread. A little humility doesn't hurt, either, which the OP threw down the well with her "Bitch!" comment. Kortneykay is a great example of how it SHOULD be done, as she always accompanies her earnings posts with lots of encouragement (and sometimes good advice) for the rest of us. I have never seen her put down a fellow model for making less than she does. She always puts a smile on my face and injects a little inspiration into my mood when she posts about her successes, which is why I love reading her "Spring/Summer Hustler's Challenge" thread.

    I also don't think we should knock girls for working fewer hours. Lots of girls, including myself, work as much as we have to and spend the rest of our time doing the things that make us happy and fulfilled. In my opinion, this is just another kind of wealth.







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    I'm sorry but I think the OP is being attacked because of her earnings. Pretty sad how when someone makes above avg money, it's considered "greedy" and "bragging" but if someone posted about how LITTLE she is making, everyone has her back. The girl asked a simple question and this thread turned into an off topic "Oh you're being rude for "bragging"...I think it's pretty sad how we can't be happy for someone in our community who is working hard and doing well. Pretty darn sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoX View Post
    I'm sorry but I think the OP is being attacked because of her earnings. Pretty sad how when someone makes above avg money, it's considered "greedy" and "bragging" but if someone posted about how LITTLE she is making, everyone has her back. The girl asked a simple question and this thread turned into an off topic "Oh you're being rude for "bragging"...I think it's pretty sad how we can't be happy for someone in our community who is working hard and doing well. Pretty darn sad.
    I think it's just a bit annoying when someone is being dodgy about bragging, in the same way that I'd roll my eyes at "Look at my new shoes, can you BELIEVE they were only $1200?" Treating what is obviously quite a lot of money like it's not much to you signals pretentiousness, which just doesn't get very far with some of us.

    It's a subtle distinction, but it matters. There are tons of posts here where girls have indicated doing well and others have congratulated them.






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    Default Re: Is this considered a good amount for what I do?

    8K per month is good money but I'm not sure why your asking this? I highly doubt whatever job you worked before camming paid 8K per month

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    Serena, to answer your question: It depends on what you consider good money and that is all that matters. $8k a month may be a shit ton of money to some, and minimum for someone who say...pays $2k a month on rent and has a gross bill of $7k a month in bills every month. If you have enough to cover your expenses and some money to splurge and or put away then I say it's good money. Or, I could say no, $8k isn't that much because I have XYZ bills to pay. Really, $8k is just $300-400 a day, 7 days a week which several girls make or have goals to make.

    "Good enough" money depends on the person making it. $8k a month isn't great money if someone has thousands of credit card debt, school bills, medical bills, a $2k a month apartment/mortgage, 2 kids to feed and put through private school, a massive car payment, etc. I find that if one is living on the coast $8k is enough to pay the bills and save. No need to throw any shade ladies unless her intentions are to come here to brag. If so, there's the camming rocks thread There's nothing greedy about wanting to make $8k+ a month or more than that just because someone else is making more than you. We all have our own individual costs of living, some are greater, some are smaller.
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    $8k a month.... peanuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoX View Post
    I'm sorry but I think the OP is being attacked because of her earnings. Pretty sad how when someone makes above avg money, it's considered "greedy" and "bragging" but if someone posted about how LITTLE she is making, everyone has her back. The girl asked a simple question and this thread turned into an off topic "Oh you're being rude for "bragging"...I think it's pretty sad how we can't be happy for someone in our community who is working hard and doing well. Pretty darn sad.
    Personally, I have seen that a lot on SW. I think its really sad. Everyone should be happy for other who are doing well IMO. It, in NO WAY, means you're bragging. Its just the truth. And earnings shouldn't be a factor, but some people like to make it a factor. Which brings me to the next point:

    People who make a lot might have a lot of bills or things to pay for. Lots of income doesn't necessarily mean lots of savings/spending cash. Just as making an average amount doesn't mean you can't save a lot of it if you don't have a lot of bills to pay for. That's why I never understood that "bragging" mentality others throw at girls making more than them.

    And how is the OP even supposed to know she is making more than other girls in first place, when she said she's unaware if shes doing good or bad at 8k per month?

    4 hours per day x 7 days per week = 28 hours/week x 4 weeks = 112 hours per month. $8,000/112 hours per month = $71 per hour. She's making $71 per hour. That's not OMG THATS UNBELIEVABLE, so I don't know why people are doubting the OP to begin with. I've seen girls make twice that much per hour on average, and girls make half that much per hour on average.

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    I think the original poster should have researched and read threads before posting the question. Quickly googling "Average income adult industry" might have answered her question. I can't help but feel like this is bragging, and I'm not against bragging. BRAG do it! Be proud. If it had been posted like that, say in camming rocks or the 2000 a week thread we would have been gung ho going YOU ROCK GIRL! But to ask if making this much is good? Ehhhh It's almost insulting, especially when one of the more prevalent threads is the 500 a week goal. While that reaction may be our own emotional responsibility, I still think theres some responsibility the OP should have taken like research and reading the threads. I find that if someone makes 8 grand plus a month doing this, its inspiring, but I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel a sting reading the OP. Maybe it wasn't her original intent, but it almost seemed like she was waving a big sign LOOK AT HOW MUCH I MAKE, NOW TELL ME ITS AWESOME... but done in a way that was supposed to make it look like its not bragging, which I feel backfired.

    OP, keep up what you're doing, and while I am not all the knowledgeable about the averages in the adult industry, I think you are doing VERY VERY WELL.

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    $8000 is an amazing amount in most industries - far more than I made working full-time retail management. To my eyes, the "greedy" comment seemed less of an attack and more confusion, as to why $8000 might not be considered a great amount for a MFC newbie. Because of course it is, I'm new and don't even need to google/search to know that.

    But yeah, in MY financial situation, just $1000 per month would be a godsend, so it's really amusing that 8x that mightn't be considered good. What constitutes good earnings are different for everyone though! It's all subjective. We're not living in each other's shoes, with each other's expenses or families or debts or whatever, so one person's good is another person's shitty and someone else's fortune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabihah View Post
    I think it's just a bit annoying when someone is being dodgy about bragging, in the same way that I'd roll my eyes at "Look at my new shoes, can you BELIEVE they were only $1200?" Treating what is obviously quite a lot of money like it's not much to you signals pretentiousness, which just doesn't get very far with some of us.

    It's a subtle distinction, but it matters. There are tons of posts here where girls have indicated doing well and others have congratulated them.
    Well put. It's a bit like: "I only made $96,000 this year - what am I doing wrong?"... assuming some time off at period time, and working only 6 days per week, that's ONLY $100 per hour average.

    My very best hour, my record, is nowhere near $100, so to do that consistently for every hour of the week seems incredible to me.

    MFC must be where it's at. I hope one day I can get on there and give it a whirl. I'd be over the moon making only $4000 per month working only 4 hours per shift. $50 per hour average would be amazing.

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    Hmm. Even though her post was not the most...perceptive...based on her previous posts, I'm gonna go ahead and give the OP the benefit of the doubt. It's possible that she just spends her time working on MFC and doesn't read the forums very extensively to get a feel for the camming environment as a whole.

    Also, I would categorize 2k a week as being moderately successful amongst the lot of moderately "established" camgirls who work with at least some consistency. Before I starting camming, I did a lot of research on SW to get a feel for a potential hourly for a moderately successful girl after year or so of starting, on "average" or as a very rough median, and actually came up with about 70-100/hour. That was over two years ago and many, many other posts I've read have basically confirmed that that isn't too far off base, at least for those of us who started 1-3 years ago. I do hesitate to post this because yes, it varies WIDELY and this job comes with sooo many cons I don't want this to be mistaken as an advertisement lol, but according to my research if she is the type of girl who appeals to the MFC crowd and the stars are aligned then yeah 71/hour as it was mentioned sounds very much within reason.

    Again, it's not my intention to shame anyone here, because there are so many factors that play into "success" and it's not a judgement call on anyone. Just trying to give an analysis based off the numbers I've seen. But yeah, I admit that this is me just speculating and my definition of "moderately established" is very subjective. I'm not trying to say how much anyone should be making or will make, but based off of everything that I've read, if she's doing reasonably well then 71/hour really is not cray cray lol. On Streamate if you started 3 gold shows at 70 gold each in one hour, that's like $73 right there. Or if you charge $6.99 for private and spend 48% chat time in private with just one guy at a time.

    OP, sounds like you're doing just fine But if you want to make more money, go for it! I know that personally I'm never satisfied.
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    ^^ She's making about $100+ (the OP put a + there to indicate it was a minimum) per hour based on 6 days/wk work and some time off for period. The $71 assumes 28 days a month, 4 hours a day, no time off.

    Do you really think $100 AVERAGE per hour is moderately successful? That per hour rate needs to be maintained for the whole year to arrive at an $8000 average per month, otherwise it has no meaning. I'm sure everyone has good and bad months, but the OP is talking average. These figures change the way I think of camming income. If I dwell too much on these figures I become depressed. I actually wish I hadn't read this thread.

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    To an extent, I know how you feel. I was browsing around on MFC a few weeks ago and saw a girl make about $1300 in 10 minutes, and on the surface it looked like she was basically just being cute and teasing her pussy a little bit. It's tempting to go into some existential crises and be like "fuck! why haven't I done that? is it because she's cuter than me or because xyz? if I did xyz would I be able to do that? I can't believe how long it takes for *me* to make that, how many dildos do I have to fuck and beggars I have to put up with should I try mfc WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE" lol, but that type of thinking isn't going to get us anywhere. If anything it's encouraging to know that there's whales out there and enough guys spending cash to support camming as an industry.

    Trust me, it would be WAY worse and downright scary if we didn't see girls doing well because it would mean there's less spenders. And the more "quality" or well liked performers there are the more they'll attract spenders to the site, which is ultimately a good thing for all of us. And actually I'd say that most girls easily make way less than 100 an hour (again, I was speaking about my subjective definition of a moderately successful model; someone who has relatively good placement, a decent amount of regs or can easily procure new ones, who can be recognized by customers across sites, but has room for improvement) so you have more company than those who make more than that. Sarah did a survey and I think it said that most cam girls make less than 3k a month.

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    ^^ I've been trying to improve myself for over 8 years. This has been my only source of income over that time. It is good to know there are big spenders out there, but after 8 years I know they are still not all that common for me... and for me a big spender is someone who spends a hundred dollars or so. As I said before, I cannot join MFC due to location restrictions, so I'll never be able to try there. I really wanted to, but I couldn't - they wouldn't even extend the courtesy of answering my emails.

    I've never read or posted on a cam forum until a few months ago, so I didn't have any comparisons to go by. I was happier when I didn't feel like a failure after hearing from girls easily making 3 times what I make (per hour) on average. I'm talking average here as I have over 8 years of averages that I can go by. I'm not so interested in a girl's good month, good week or a few good shifts here or there - but a solid average over a year or longer. I thought I was doing fine - now I'm not feeling that way, so knowing is not always good - especially when you know there's not much you can do about it.

    Having said that, I'm over the 3K a month average you speak of, so at least that's some consolation.

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    You can be happy without being complacent, but you will never be happy if you focus on what other people are doing except as a source of inspiration - not to be a copy or exactly like them, but to be in awe at the possibilities.

    If I had said that I think a "moderately successful model" under the conditions listed makes about $20 an hour, it may stroke your ego, but would you feel complacent? The first week I started, I was making $18 an hour, and I was ecstatic about it at the time, but the key is that I was not complacent. I could have continued to make $18 in ignorant bliss, thinking that I was totally rolling in it and keeping that as my hourly goal, but I would have been worse off for it. Not only in terms of money and job comfort, but in the boredom that comes with such static goals and expectations.

    I find it hard to believe that after 8 years, you are just now realizing that there are girls who make more money than you. If I recall correctly, you're in Asia (?), and so maybe you hadn't spent a whole lot of time on sites like SM or MFC (?), but if you want to be at the top of your game not just amongst your immediate peers, but in the industry at large, you need to be resourceful. I can't say what information you had access to 3, 5, or 8 years ago, but you've made it to stripperweb, so except in cases where your residence is a barrier to signing up with or accessing a site, I can only assume that you have access to a plethora of resources.

    Even if we didn't post numbers, all you need to do is spend a little bit of time on SM, watch models on the first few rows, and see what kind of money they're pulling in. You know about SM at this point, so if you haven't done that kind of "market research" it's due to a lack of resourcefulness. This all ties into "drive" and "thinking critically and adapting to various situations in an active, positive, and forward thinking manner." I know it may sound harsh but this is exactly the information that you need to be successful...not just the vague notion of "trying harder."

    We all have our own obstacles to overcome, though. I don't know where I'd be without stripperweb; it's been a great resource for me. I've been a fly on the wall here for a while now and studied this forum like the camming bible it is before I even started. I read through the raise your rates threads, I've read through Fridays posts and sooo many others that have contributed towards me having high expectations for myself and from my customers. But ultimately, my success comes down to me and how I apply myself throughout this process. You know, internal locus of control.

    There will always be people who are prettier than us, smarter than us, and making more money than us. Short answer? Deal with it. You are not alone. Focus on your own happiness and success, however you choose to define it.
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    Default Re: Is this considered a good amount for what I do?

    OP,
    regardless of what your intensions are, I think $8000 month is AWESOME! Even after 30% tax, that is still a lot of money. Many girls, myself included don't make that much. For a lot of us, it's not a reflection of how hard we work but that's just the way it is. I think everyone is doing the best that they can or know how. It takes a lot of courage and risks involved to do what we do. Major props to you!
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