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    Default Do you dumb yourself down?

    I know many ladies that post here are intelligent and educated (probably moreso than most of the customers we meet.) I'm wondering, how many of you dumb yourselves down while talking to customers? I've found if I get caught up in an interesting/intelligent conversation with a customer I almost never get any $ out of him. Usually I get some response like "Wow you're really smart" *disgusted look* "Uhh I'm just getting ready to leave.." It's really hard if a customer brings up a topic I know a lot about and really want to discuss. I have to pinch myself, just keep smiling and nodding and telling him more about his eyes. I've even started lying about my college major because it seems to be a turn off when I have to explain it. I would think the smart guys would be turned on by a smart woman, but it seems to be risky in my experience, so I just play dumb with everyone to be safe.

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    Default Re: Do you dumb yourself down?

    I have tried to dumb myself down, but I end up sabotaging this play b/c I can't seem to keep my disgust from leaking thru. I can jerk sm1's chain in good fun & act ditzy, but I think I am really just too proud to successfully pull off the 'dumbass stripper' persona.

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    Default Re: Do you dumb yourself down?

    'dumbing down' is an absolute requirement in most Manhattan clubs, since many customers don't feel comfortable around dancers who might actually understand the business conversations they are having with their 'buddies'.

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    Default Re: Do you dumb yourself down?

    it depends on the customer. with some guys, i absolutely get tipped a LOT more for being smart and having good conversations and knowing things about politics, voting, the economy, history, etc..
    with other guys, they LOVE it when i act dumb, ditzy, and cute..like pretending to forget what day of the week it is, acting in awe of their "intelligence" and job, and giggle/twirl hair.
    it really varies so much from custy to custy, and i think its important to try and hone your stripper spidey senses to know which one wants what.

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    Default Re: Do you dumb yourself down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    I have tried to dumb myself down, but I end up sabotaging this play b/c I can't seem to keep my disgust from leaking thru. I can jerk sm1's chain in good fun & act ditzy, but I think I am really just too proud to successfully pull off the 'dumbass stripper' persona.
    This is exactly the way I am as well, I can't say it any better. I've tried acting dumb before but I always give myself away, it never fails, lol. I just can't stand it for long enough.

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    i know you talking about stripclubs but it can apply to camming as well. I've never tried it but I should; I still get stuck to smart/interesting talks that lead nowhere and scare potential customers away.
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    Yes, I do. I say lines like "wait what does that mean...come on I'm just a stripper" *giggles* They explain and I go "well why didn't you just say that" LOL. They love it.

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    When you have big tits everyone thinks you're stupid or they're too busy salivating to care.
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    Nope. When I first started dancing I was my natural blonde, and being buxom, not dumbing myself down was a bit of a problem initially because my personality did not "fit" with my look. My look attracted the guys wanting a ditzy party girl so as soon as I opened my mouth half of them would give me crazy eyes. Then I dyed my hair dark brown, and now I make bank off all the shy and awkward 40-55 year old nerds. You definitely have to work it in a certain way though, being modest and continuing to ask a lot of questions in the conversation seems to help as the customer still feels superior in a sense, but you hit the magic spot where they feel they can form a more "real" bond with you. There's definitely guys that this hustle DOES NOT work for though...blue collar workers usually. You don't ever want to come off as "pretentious". With those, it is really better to keep your mouth shut on your brains.
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    Default Re: Do you dumb yourself down?

    I think it depends on the customer, I adapt my approach for them. But, generally, I don't initiate intellectual conversations inside the club that's for sure.
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    It depends on the customer for me, but usually if I don't tone the smarty-pants routine, guys skip me over for someone seemingly dumber. Everytime! So I have to play up the body language and talk a whole lot less to make them happy and keep myself from launching into an intellectual convo
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    I agree with Odette. I used to work with the dumbest girl on the planet and she would BANK every single night. At first I thought she was acting but then as we became closer I realized she really was that stupid. I kinda envy her because in a crowd with predominantly blue collars she was everyone's ideal girl. I also worked with a gorgeous porn star look blonde that was smart as eff but would play the ahaaa haaa haa what huh? Hee hee hee that's so funny he he he. And bank too. maybe I should just act stupid the entire time until a customer indicates he'd like to have an intellectually stimulating conversation.

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    ^Part of it is finding a club where the more intelligent hustle works. It is better recieved in mid-upscale clubs with mostly white collar customers.
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    Default Re: Do you dumb yourself down?

    It depends on the customer, but yes, 99% of the time. It definitely is the hardest when you have someone who works in your field-- I was with a guy last night who works in my field and I fucked up my sale by speaking about it too much. I find that that these guys don't want to view you as actual person, just a hot, giggly sounding board who will up their ego, so if you come across as intelligent it ruins the fantasy for them. Very rarely I will have a customer who wants real conversation and I'll give them that, but even in those situations I'm usually just asking them as many questions as possible, nodding, and turning the conversation back on them so that I don't have to speak. I've learned that there's really no real reason for me to be speaking in this industry unless I'm a) laughing b) giving them a compliment or c) asking them a question about themselves.


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    Depends on who I'm talking to. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. Whatever makes me money.

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    I feel like you don't necessarily have to dumb yourself down as long as you can tailor your conversation to feed their ego.

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    I don't dumb myself down at all. I will censor a lot of my opinions because the LAST thing I want to do is offend the guy giving me cash... but I've been tipped extra so often for being "the smartest girl in the club", and it's gotten me regulars which both I and the management is starting to appreciate.

    So it works for me. But I will also say that I work day shifts, so I know that's a bit different.

    I just have to be careful not to get too caught up in a conversation I like to forget that I'm there to work. I give it a time limit, and then either they buy some dances/pay me or I find someone who will.

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    Default Re: Do you dumb yourself down?

    As others have said, it depends entirely on the customer. But two things --

    Even if I get the vibe that a customer is turned on by an intelligent dancer, I don't engage him fully until we're in the champagne room or he's committed to tipping me a certain amount for my time. Otherwise they tend to get too caught up in the conversation to remember to tip, or worse, they wife-zone you and don't want to sully your budding relationship by keeping it transactional. And to remind them that it is hurts them.

    Also, and even more importantly, customers who are turned on by intelligent dancers are actually just turned on by dancers who are a teensy bit less intelligent than they are. It doesn't matter how smart the guy actually is. Always be almost -- but not quite -- on his level. Impress them with your (carefully calibrated) "intelligence," and then defer to theirs (unless they're into being dominated).

    Keep in mind that plenty of smart men aren't turned on by intelligence and plenty of dumb men are, by the way. Always read the customer.

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    I am sure that certain sales would be easier if I were willing to dumb myself down, but my ego can't tolerate it. I find that it isn't necessary though (even in Manhattan). I present myself as something of a "loving dominatrix" and they usually melt.

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    I have become to consider the bimbo thing to be a fetish that guys have. Actually, if you think about it, a lot of sexual fetishes involve the other party being disarmed in some way. Cast fetishes, sleeping fetishes. They all love the damsels in distress and the bimbos.

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    I will occasionally play "dumb" and tell guys I am a paralegal. Men find that to be a totally acceptable job for a woman to have, and not threatening. But lord help me, it is so hard sometimes. When they say something condescending I resent them so badly. I probably end up costing myself money because my animosity is showing.

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    I have too much stubborn pride to dumb myself down but I do consciously avoid intellectual conversation with most customers.

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    Fuck yes!But I don't find it easy.I often joke that I read the Daily Mail (trashy paper) before going into work, to get on the customer wavelength.
    Master's degree education, from a middle class background, family full of the 'stately homes' culture..... I work in a dive atm and if I didn't dumb myself down at least a bit I doubt it would go in my favour.

    That makes me sound like a snob, and I'm not at all! But the people who come in the club I work at the moment are often just totally not on my wavelength. There are exceptions and these guys often become my regulars.. But for the most part, I have to learn a new language and alter my accent in order to build rapport with customers.



    Come to think of it, this happened when I worked upscale clubs as well, just not as often.

    I do the bimbo thing when I'm in the mood and it often works-never thought of it as a fetish though.... That's a good way to look at it!
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    I mirror the customer's language tone, style and cadence. Sometimes I have to stop myself from adopting their accent for fear that the customer will think I'm mocking him. My main goal is to be smart, but not as smart at the customer. This gives him the opportunity to dazzle me with his brilliance. I make sure I act appropriately impressed with whatever it is he is saying.

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    It depends. If it is a RED customer, absolutely not. Thats the guy who's going to pay to sit and talk for hours in VIP!!
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