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    Default Re: Do you dumb yourself down?

    I'm training to become a jeweler/metalsmith and I make a lot of my own jewelry and I've found that guys seem to get very intimidated when they find out I've made it myself, so I usually just give a vague answer about where it came from.
    Though you know, it's probably pretty intimidating when a girl can tell that you're not as wealthy as you're pretending to be because your tie pin is made out of low quality white gold and those "diamonds" are actually cubic zirconium.

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    I'm working on it.
    Also trying to drop words and force an accent...
    It's hard!
    I fight my natural instinct to speak perfect American English.
    And if I have a drink or two... game over!

    Sometimes they look at me funny and i feel like they can tell I'm faking it... like maybe I'm not consistent enough with what I'm saying, or how I'm saying it.

    I'm worried that this will bleed over into my Real Life and OTC conversations... because I value being articulate and concise. And I want to be improving my vocabulary, rather than deteriorating it.
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    i do and let customer "to lead"

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    yinyang -- Are the foreign girls actually top earners or are there just a lot of them? I work in a club where the signs in the dressing room are written in both English and Russian. While plenty of Russian dancers do very well, men love variety and also appreciate the company of American women who understand their references and humor. I wouldn't downplay any of it!

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    "But morning is the great equalizer - a good night usually begets a crispy day after. When I wake up, I'm so bone-wrackingly sore I can barely stand upright, and after eight hours of chronic politeness and idle chatter, I am unable to form a coherent thought. My mind feels trashed - like a broken tape, snapped and flapping stupidly on its reel." - Strip City

    Occasionally I'd come across someone who enjoyed intelligent conversation, but mostly, people go to strip clubs to relax. They want to forget about their problems and get lost in the experience with a beautiful woman. For the first four years I danced, I'd find all sorts of ways to make my job more difficult (boyish stage name, refusing drink offers, hastily applied makeup, etc.). And because I was generally bored with the job, I'd always be searching for interesting conversational topics - often academic in nature. I usually struggled to keep the conversation light, and even then, large words would slip out occasionally, and I'd have to put more effort into the sale to keep them interested.

    I eventually learned to use a 'test' word ("plethora" was my favorite); if I got a positive reaction, I'd steer the conversation differently than if I got a negative or no reaction. For the first four years, my pride often overwhelmed my interest in the sale, and I'd plunge ahead with my obnoxious vocabulary. Now, whenever I dance, I consider keeping things light a way of protecting myself from the energy in the club. Dancing is easier when there's less of the real me involved in the interaction. Now, I am always focused on reading the customer and closing him using whatever sales tactic fits his type. I'm done wasting energy on dispelling stereotypes - it ain't worth the effort!


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    Unfortunately because of my tattoos I can't play stupid. I finally got sick of all the questions and told one moron my "pimp" Anton LaVey made me get a tramp stamp.
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    I have an impression that guys(at least my customers) like to SAY that they like a smart girl, but they don't actually like her. I used to in the beginning of my career to have intelligent conversations with customers. None of them liked it. Then I learned to dumb myself down, they liked it. But they all say:" I like smart girls". I know now it's bullshit. One time, I was thrown out of VIP for telling customer what I study: biochemistry. As soon as I told him that he looked at me weird and asked the other girl who was with his friend(we all were in one room) to come to him instead of me. Then like 5 min later, he tipped me and said that he's done with me and that he needs to see the host. A very outrageous case, but it really did happen. Now I tell everyone I go to beauty school. They seem to take it better. Lol

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    This thread is gold. I realize how many mistakes I have made in the past, and one of my biggest was always trying to be smart. Now, instead of trying to be miss smarty pants, I try to be of 'average' intelligence, which works because it seems I mainly attract old white men. I don't act dumb, but I won't act like I don't always throw in extra laughs when they are not needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    Same here my persona gets ditzier every week, it's easier to take advantage of them if they assume you're a dunce. Pride overwhelmed me for a very long time too and now I feel like why on earth bother to try and prove anything to them since doing that means I care about what they think of me.
    I made that mistake when I first started out too..Trying to bust stereotypes, like it was my job. Then I realized it's smarter to play dumb (usually.) It reminds me of the Dolly Parton quote "You know, I look like a woman but I think like a man. And in this world of business, that has helped me a lot. Because by the time they think that I don't know what's goin' on, I then got the money, and gone!" ahaha


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    I'm so glad I discovered this thread! I have an expansive vocabulary and I tend to talk about intellectual things with customers, but this ends up getting me "wife-zoned". It gets me many dinner invitations and very few dances. I really like what a few of you have said about making yourself appear smart, but always less smart than the customer you're with. I can't wait to try out this advice tonight!

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    I will do it based on the customer... yesterday I had a guy who was a microbiologist and enjoyed that he could talk to me about it and I understood it. I have a regular who is a financial officer that likes that I'm intelligent.

    But for the most part, when they ask what I do I tell them "This!" and act like a dumb blonde. They like it better.
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    I think the choice of persona really depends on the club, the look and feel of each individual dancer and each individual customer. In my case, being moderately intelligent and well spoken works, because I'm very obviously foreign and milk that for all it's worth. A lot of customers have a lot of curiosity about where I'm from and it sells very well. I don't have the look or the aura to pull off a ditzy persona anyway, so I play up the friendly sweetheart card, which works beautifully for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    "But morning is the great equalizer - a good night usually begets a crispy day after. When I wake up, I'm so bone-wrackingly sore I can barely stand upright, and after eight hours of chronic politeness and idle chatter, I am unable to form a coherent thought. My mind feels trashed - like a broken tape, snapped and flapping stupidly on its reel." - Strip City

    Occasionally I'd come across someone who enjoyed intelligent conversation, but mostly, people go to strip clubs to relax. They want to forget about their problems and get lost in the experience with a beautiful woman. For the first four years I danced, I'd find all sorts of ways to make my job more difficult (boyish stage name, refusing drink offers, hastily applied makeup, etc.). And because I was generally bored with the job, I'd always be searching for interesting conversational topics - often academic in nature. I usually struggled to keep the conversation light, and even then, large words would slip out occasionally, and I'd have to put more effort into the sale to keep them interested.

    I eventually learned to use a 'test' word ("plethora" was my favorite); if I got a positive reaction, I'd steer the conversation differently than if I got a negative or no reaction. For the first four years, my pride often overwhelmed my interest in the sale, and I'd plunge ahead with my obnoxious vocabulary. Now, whenever I dance, I consider keeping things light a way of protecting myself from the energy in the club. Dancing is easier when there's less of the real me involved in the interaction. Now, I am always focused on reading the customer and closing him using whatever sales tactic fits his type. I'm done wasting energy on dispelling stereotypes - it ain't worth the effort!
    Whoops, hmmn, maybe I need some rethinks!
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    I always play dumb. Men coming to the strip club are not looking for a smart woman. They're coming in to watch naked women dance and they probably think we're floozies to begin with the minute they step through the doors. Also the dumber I sound the less time wasting questions they ask. I wouldn't tell them about my real life or my real job because then they ask why I'm even there and all these other personal questions which distracts from them spending money.

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    I'm learning to read people better. But overall, a man wants his ego stroked. I really just try to be what the customer is looking for. I'm over my super baby stripper days of trying to prove that all strippers aren't dumb ect. But overall, the sexy, fun, not so smart (stereotypical stripper) persona lets me cash out every night. Only a few men truly appreciate a very intellectual conversation and even though men want their ego stroked and don't want to be outsmarted by a stripper. I'm an actress on this job and I've learned to brace the fact that who I am there does not reflect who I am as a person.

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    Smart enough so that they can talk to you about big boy topics. Dumb enough so that they don't fear being corrected.

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    It depends on the customer. If he has a college education, I can act a little smarter, but for the guys who do labor, I don't want to make them feel *dumber than a stripper*, so I mostly just let them talk.

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    I play stupid as fuck and walk away w all their money at the end of the night.

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    Yes I do, baby talk and all. Don't forget to throw some oohs and ahhs for good measure.

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    I've found on nights where I just "can't" play dumb/horny/bubbly I have the perfect made up persona that makes me appear somewhat smart but not *too*smart. I've started telling older and educated men that I got my degree in English and used to be a secretary but quit because it was "soooo boring!" I really was a secretary's assistant at one point so it's easy to back up. This seems to be a good balance for a "smart" girl they want to chat up in VIP. (Not saying secretaries aren't smart, but I think it's easier for customers to digest than telling them I plan to go to grad school for biological anthropology so I can go dig up human remains and study them.)

    Anyway my secretary act has gotten me several VIPs in the last week-even two back to back VIPs with a kinda geeky dude. On dumber or blue collar guys I don't even bring it up. I just talk about porn or something and get their $$ asap....but this is a good strategy for smarter men who want to talk.

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    For me it really depends where I'm working. One of my clubs is upscale and tends to attract educated professionals, they looove that I'm a student. Especially the older guys. I still steer the conversation towards fun and fluffy topics after the obligatory "what else do you do outside of here" conversation though. No matter how impressed a customer is at your career aspirations, it's rare that they actually want to hear about what you dissected in your anatomy lab that day!

    The other club I work at is mid-tier with a mix of customers but predominantly blue collar workers, I dumb myself down a lot more there. If I get a chatty customer I mostly just talk about how much I love smoking ganja and going to the gym-a lot of the other girls there are out of shape so my squat butt stands out. There's a small but significant minority of professionals and out-of-town businessman who come in there too, when I find them I say something like "It's sooo refreshing to find someone I can have a real conversation with!"

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    I kinda balance both. I don't play dumb with the things I enjoy, especially with my reading. I've had a number of guys become very interested after realizing that I can suggest books to them based on their interests. But when it comes to what they do, which I typically honestly don't understand, I say a lot of "Wow, I could -never- do that"s and "that sounds so hard; you must be so good at it!"s.

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    I've been having a lot of customers ask me my schedule and then follow-up by asking why I am only there on weekends and the best excuse I've come up with is that I'm in school part-time. Which I suppose isn't a very good one when lots of students work 3+ nights a week but no one has really asked me about it. From there I feel them out if they ask a lot of follow-up questions about school and what not. But my type of clientele is definitely white collar and I think like that I am 'in school'. Which I suppose isn't even a lie with my one grad class, lol.
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