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    Hi Cam Models,


    I would love to hear your ideas, suggestions and input regarding the following business model that I am thinking about starting. While it may not be a new concept to everyone, but in my location it would be.


    I am pursuing opening a 24/7 office style of building with many (25-50) private webcam suites available for rent to webcam models. I am NOT interested in taking ANY money from the models; as this would be a space rental type of setup.


    Basically, the rooms would be equipped with the latest and fastest computers, HD cams, studio lighting and simple furnishings. We are considering offering basic rooms, deluxe rooms, and even themed style rooms.


    We would have nothing to do with money payout business with the models other than that of renting the spaces by the hour for their usage. All models would have to have their own accounts with whatever studios they prefer. We don't care how long models work, what time they work, when they leave, how hard they work; nor would we care about what they do in their private areas as long as it complies with legal behavior and usage as well as the rules set forth by the cam studios (ie. no scat, fisting, copyrighted music etc.)


    Our rates would be very reasonable (starting at $15/20 per hour for basic rooms and moving higher $25/30 per hour for premium rooms).


    The beauty of this facility will be in it's safety, security and privacy for all webcam models. It would have break-room areas, restrooms, locker/shower/dressing areas, outside patios, secure parking and even security guards. We would even have snack, soda and coffee machines along with free copy machines and fax machines for use by the models.


    I would love to know how this business model appeals to all webcam models out there? We genuinely care about models being safe, earning lots of money - and having absolutely NO personal business with the models. Thus keeping a drama free and most professional work environment.


    The facility will be gay owned and operated and have NO interest in perverse behaviors (ie. wanting to be your sex bosses or desiring to sneak a peek if you catch my drift). Our only goal is to provide an awesome cam space for everyone to enjoy coming to.


    Let me know if you think that this would be something that would spark an interest for all the cam models out there. Please reply with your thoughts, suggestions, other ideas, and basically anything that you as models think would be of utmost importance for us to provide to you for greatest success and interest.


    Sincerely...Tammi

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    Default Re: Question for ALL Cam Models - Re: Renting Private Webcam Space

    $15-$20 is high, based on performers would be breaking even or having a small profit margin. Only top performers could afford this and they would find it high too.

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    Here's the thing - models would have their own accounts and retain FULL commission directly with the webcam studios instead of having a middleman studio who takes their cut.

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    I think you have no idea how much performers make. Most performers make 15-20/ hour. Paying rent to you would yield them 0 profit or marginal profit. Higher earners are $50+ / hours would have to give half of their profits to you in rent. I think a reasonable monthly rent would be better than hourly.

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    Also it's not easy to get performers to join you in this business adventure, if they do, most are not dedicated to it, most performers do not work full time, or they just work on and off, would be walking out on you in a few days, weeks, a month, depending on their mood or life situations. Would be hard to build a solid business on this type of work in my opinion.

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    I do appreciate your commentary very much but also think that it may be a tad bit negative/biased however; since many cam girls do not have a place to use and this could be a very positive thing for them. Perhaps keeping a more positive outlook on this topic might be a better way to go perhaps. You are the first person that has driven such negatives into this topic that I have posted elsewhere as well. Our goal is to provide a safe, non-interfering place for models to perform - taking no percentage from them nor caring about them applying to be accepted based on their looks etc. We are certainly all ears about what rates we charge and appreciate those suggestions too; but bear in mind it's an expensive venture to create such a space.

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    Much of the appeal of camming is the ability to do it from home - with flexibility, safety, security and privacy, without having to travel/engage with staff/have small-talk in a break room/drink machine coffee ... or pay per hour for the privilege. Idk. HD equipment and lighting is a plus. But many established performers who could guarantee to pay $15-20 per hour rent will already have good equipment and lighting.

    I'm speaking as someone who is fairly new to camming (but not adult work) and I do struggle to find time to perform in my home, don't have the best equipment, etc. so I'd be your target client.
    I might be wrong. There may be lots of models willing to bite. But most of the positives you've listed aren't very appealing to me, when the alternative is to cam for free from home.


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    Lol, i,m negative? But i did not even get into details yet But i won't, so i won't be more negative trying to open your eyes. Although i have to say the business plan you painted, it's only positive for you so far.

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    Not trying to point fingers but perhaps having a more open mind to the thought of a positive plan such as this working for someone like yourself or others might be a better way to approach this thread. No need to take it personally because I'm not directing my words in such a way. I am looking for those who can provide ideas to make such a business plan work. We are in a big city and there are other very large brick & mortar studios here already that just take a huge percentage of model's earnings. About 75%! We want to change this game here because we just don't think it's fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammi View Post
    I do appreciate your commentary very much but also think that it may be a tad bit negative/biased however; since many cam girls do not have a place to use and this could be a very positive thing for them. Perhaps keeping a more positive outlook on this topic might be a better way to go perhaps. You are the first person that has driven such negatives into this topic that I have posted elsewhere as well. Our goal is to provide a safe, non-interfering place for models to perform - taking no percentage from them nor caring about them applying to be accepted based on their looks etc. We are certainly all ears about what rates we charge and appreciate those suggestions too; but bear in mind it's an expensive venture to create such a space.
    I don't think it's negative, I think it's realistic.

    If you look around this site and others, you can easily see most cam models struggle to make hourly what you would charge them hourly to rent a space. If they work a reasonable 5 hour shift they are looking at paying you $75-$150 PER DAY. Say she works 5 hours per day, 5 days per week that is $375-$750 PER WEEK. That's $1500-$3000 PER MONTH.

    If any webcam model were to do that, they could EASILY upgrade their own internet connections and computers, and even rent their own studio apartment and come out much more ahead than with your suggested rates.

    Also to point out trying to use "gay owned and operated" as a selling point... you're supposedly a female..... a vast majority of cam performers are female... meaning your selling point of being gay owned and operated is basically pointless.
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    There is a reason why there aren't any psychical studios in my city anymore because they don't make any money and with the ease of being able to work from your own home even if you might have roommates makes this option pretty much a dead end.

    Brand new models have a hard learning curve of building a fan base and trying to earn money to make the job worth it for them, since we've seen threads posting asking models why they didn't quit in the first month of camming, how can you keep up the rent for this space when the turn over is extremely high. We go through $0 days sometimes.

    it might be cheaper for a cam model to rent a hotel room and get a high speed modem that travels with them- Rogers Cable offers one. and then there are some hotels that have high speed internet.
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    yeah, I'm inclined to agree with busygirl and Alice

    props on a non-exploitative business plan but I'd suspect the chicas most in need of your proposed service would be fledgling and/or part time cam chicas, and those tend not to be higher-end earners (due to a lack of established client base, lack of time to invest in self-promotion, etc)

    as such, $15 to $20 per hour in rental fees could end up being a considerable percentage of hourly earnings...most chicas earning upwards of $50-$100 per hour or more can afford their own camming spaces, kwim?

    at any rate, good luck with your plan and I hope you receive some feedback you feel is useful. I just wanna make clear though that receiving feedback that isn't what you want to hear isn't 'negative', it's what you've asked for; honest appraisals of your plan. lots of businesses actually have to pay for this sort of thing. the members of this community who chose to contribute to this thread are giving you what you've requested and they need -and deserve- to be treated with respect.

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    I think there would be a LOT of interest in a physical studio that took an hourly rental fee rather than a cut of our earnings, but I do have a few suggestions/thoughts:

    - $15/hour is pretty high to start. $30/hour is borderline outrageous. You'll be competing with studio apartments and half-decent hotels, which will likely be more cost-effective for girls who cam more than a couple hours per day.

    - Most camgirls already have everything they need to cam - having cammed from the SF Armory, I can say that the biggest benefits don't include the expensive equipment/decor (which ultimately makes little difference), but (1) the prestige associated with camming there, from the clients' perspective, and (2) having to stick to a pre-arranged schedule. I think you should start with a minimum viable product that includes the great internet connection and studio lighting, but perhaps not much more than that - and lower your pricing accordingly.

    - What I think models would really like - and girls, feel free to challenge me on this - is a "bootcamp"-like environment where they'd be expected to come in for a certain number of hours daily and would receive plenty of encouragement and support. Having a free lounge and nap room would help a great deal, as this is exhausting work. Providing a leaderboard for hours on cam - possibly with small prizes, etc. - would be great. It would be even better if it were a live-in environment, rather than an office. I think you could sell us on a one- or two-week package if you made us believe that you could really motivate us to work harder and make more money.

    - The girls who really NEED a place to cam are either making too little to afford their own private space to cam or are new. The typical cam girl probably only makes $15-40/hour, so your rates would probably price out most of the models who would benefit most from the service you've proposed.

    - I think if you've got 25-50 rooms, the vast majority of them will go unoccupied. For comparison, the Armory only has something like 1-5 girls camming there at any given time - and they've got an ideal location and plenty of prestige. It's a bit different, since they require you to cam from their site and don't charge for use of the rooms - but I think that still provides plenty of evidence that you're better off starting small.






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    I really appreciate the suggestions and advice on this topic as this is why I started it. Thanks everyone for contributing!

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    I agree that the rates are a bit high and I think you're overestimating how much your customers would actually make. Your business would mainly appeal to camgirls just starting out who don't have their own space/equipment/etc, which also happens to be the demographic with the the most unpredictable earnings, not much money in hand, and a super high flake rate. Plus the hourly charge is going to sap motivation like nothing else which will kill girls' profits. In this business there can be hours-long stretches of no (or very little) money. It's hard enough to stick out your shift when you're not losing $15-30 an hr.

    Plus for camgirls who work a regular schedule (aka the ones that are likely to at least break even) your business would be INSANELY expensive, even the basic rooms. Do the math: A model works 5 hours a day, 4 days a week. Even at $15/hr that's $1200 a month. In almost any area one could find a studio apartment or room to rent for 1/3-1/2 the cost, leaving more than enough for equipment/faster Internet/etc and they could live there and save that money as well. It's just not practical.

    However, if there was a lower base price (like $150/week, $500/mo, etc) and if this was in an area with a lot of cam models (think Vegas) then it might be able to work.

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    You said 20-50 webcaming suites. I have a feeling that is going to be very expensive and can't imagine you breaking even unless you have a lot of girls interested. Why don't you try renting a smaller office space with 4-10 rooms? You will have more freedom to try out different rates and if its successful then you can expand.

    I've actually rented a hotel room at $120 a day just because my cam space sucks at the moment. I'll be moving in about 4 months and then I''ll have a better space. But yes I do think there could be some girls who are interested. I feel like, for the majority you are going to attract new girls. In which case I think you'd be better off having a studio and taking a percentage of earnings instead of charging per hour. Many new girls are not going to have the money upfront to be able to pay for their space - which is why they don't have a better space right now and will need YOU! For established girls who are interested in your theme rooms or special rooms for caming or making videos a set price per hour could suffice.

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    I agree with what the other ladies are saying in this thread, and wanted to add some suggestions:

    I think that maybe weekly, monthly, and yearly pricing options would be good to have. Maybe make different "levels" of packages with different maximum allowed hours, perks, etc.

    As someone suggested above, motivational things such as leaderboards, prizes, etc. are great.

    As an added service, you could allow the ladies who use your facilities also use your address for wishlists and accepting mail and packages under their stage names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsani View Post
    I agree with what the other ladies are saying in this thread, and wanted to add some suggestions:

    I think that maybe weekly, monthly, and yearly pricing options would be good to have. Maybe make different "levels" of packages with different maximum allowed hours, perks, etc.

    As someone suggested above, motivational things such as leaderboards, prizes, etc. are great.

    As an added service, you could allow the ladies who use your facilities also use your address for wishlists and accepting mail and packages under their stage names.
    Being an address for wishlist shipments is not a good idea. One person getting stalked might get every performer stalked and found.
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    being honest is not always being negative. not getting what you wanted to hear can be perceived as negative, but....... it's not.
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    You could do flat rate fees like hotels do.
    Say, 4 hours for 35.00. 6 hours for 55.00. 8 hours for 70.00?
    I mean, theoretically let's say that all of your 25 rooms are occupied for 8 hours.
    That's $1750.00 a day.
    So theoretically, if you make it reasonable where girls can still make profit AND have the luxury to work, that's over 50K a month.
    Which also, theoretically, your gross income would be $651,000.
    That's also not factoring in the other 16 hours of the day. I was just making a point.
    Because you're offering equipment and camming essentials, the models that book hotels will start flocking over to you. Especially because there's more protection with security, guaranteed high speed internet, etc.
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    I do realize that renting out such a big office building is going to cost around 30k or so. But business ventures always include risks. You're going to be negative for quite some time, especially with purchasing the equipment and whatnot. Your business model needs a bit revamping, but if you can find a balance between making good decent money AND having the workers happy enough, then go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    Being an address for wishlist shipments is not a good idea. One person getting stalked might get every performer stalked and found.
    Good point ^^

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