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    Default Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/21/block-facial-recognition_n_3474950.html

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    that the Las Vegas-based Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass -- along with more traditional recording devices like cellphones -- at the door.

    “If they don’t want to check it, we’d be happy to give them a limo ride back to their hotel,” the managing partner of the strip club told NBC.
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    I'm presuming this is just posturing, can't believe everyone leaves their phone in the car?
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    Default Re: Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

    Who ever decides to wear this to invade other's privacy, I seriously hope they get brain cancer.

    A friend of mine bashed someone's cel ph for recording her in the club. I would do the same with these.

    Btw. I'm glad Sapphire decided to do this. Drunk ppl don't care about breaking rules/respecting ppl's privacy. Good. Hopefully more clubs will start doing the same.
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    I have dmg'd customers' cell phones when they recorded me or other girls ITC. I wish clubs would be stricter abt cell phone policy since they all seem to have cameras now. Here's hoping Sapphire is serious abt maintaining this ban on Google Glass devices. I am wanting to bring this issue to the attention of my current club's mgmt as well.

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    Default Re: Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

    This is obviously a good first step. However there's much more to this 'problem' than clubs banning the easy to spot Google Glass.

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    As far as dancers 'bashing' the Google Glass or cell phones of 'offending' club customers, under existing laws ( which obviously haven't kept up with technology ) businesses who have a posted 'no photography' policy can confiscate film out of a camera, but cannot confiscate or damage the camera itself. Obviously, with Google Glass or cell phones being able to transmit pics to 'the cloud' in a matter of milliseconds, there is no 'film' to confiscate. And where 'offending' customers with smashed cell phones may have 'let it pass' because their contract allows for a 'free' upgrade / replacement phone, Google Glass is an entirely different story. Thus smashing a Google Glass may wind up costing the dancer a $1500 replacement fee. Just sayin' !

    Also, from a competitive standpoint, if Sapphire isn't followed by an 'across the board' ban on 'smart glasses' and cell phones by other clubs, their policy to protect the privacy of Sapphire dancers may only shift customers ... and privacy problems ... to the competing club down the street.

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    Default Re: Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

    or it might shift customers from the competing club down the street to Sapphire. Besides the dancers, I'm sure there are quite a few customers who would prefer not to have photos or videos taken of them at a strip club.

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    Default Re: Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

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    I'm presuming this is just posturing, can't believe everyone leaves their phone in the car?
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    And I can't picture anybody willingly surrendering their phone at front door. Even moreso (reluctancy) in the ~6 year interval since my cellphone thread, given the vast increase in cell phone (iPhone, etc.) capability. Might as well give front door your own personal computer.
    Although I personally keep my cellphone "out of sight, out of mind", (don't want to take or make calls in club), there are some occasions where I wouldn't leave it in car or back at hotel. There are some big city clubs where due to local conditions (scarce downtown parking, ripoff parking fees at some airport hotels for rental cars, etc.) make public transport (light rail, subway, etc.) the most attractive option for visiting club. I'd want cellphone available to call hotel van or cab in a timely manner at the other end.
    Also, I just might utilize newer enhanced features while in the club to do things like find nearest 24 hr diner, or go to weather channel to find out how close that nasty line of thunderstorms is to club (and my destination), or how close the blizzard of the century is getting. (Hey, who said that I'm not a dedicated club goer. )

    That said, I appreciate club managements efforts to keep surreptitious snooping out of club. Snooper could just as easily snoop/film customer as much as dancer. Given that Mel in another thread essentially said Google Glass she tried wasn't exactly user friendly (and I imagine that viewing my aforementioned areas of interest would be awkward at best), it would seem that people using Google Glass would be used to transmit, rather than actually view data. Hence, IMHO, one actually wearing "GG" in club would be more likely to do prurient interest things vs normal routine traveller concerns.
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    This could be a way to snoop the manager and bouncers so Custie can retaliate later.
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    ^^^ my major worries regarding 'stealth' pic and video technology plus facial recognition technology go well beyond that ...

    - this could be a way for 'tax bounty hunters' masquerading as strip club customers to identify working dancers, and in turn cross-search to see if the dancers have filed tax returns in past years

    - this could be a way for 'unsatisfied' customers to discover the real name, address etc. of a dancer who they feel 'ripped them off' as a first step towards 'getting even'

    - if 'stealth' club pics or webcam video wind up being posted to an upload site, social media site, tube site etc., they could potentially come back later ... in some cases years later ... to 'haunt' the ( former ) dancer or camgirl in secondary ways ... such as prospective 'straight job' employers starting to routinely run facial recognition searches on all job applicants as part of standard background checks a few years from now.

    There is a thorough discussion in the Industry Insight thread link I posted above, so I won't elaborate here ... beyond trying to make the point that 'smart glasses' and 'smart phone' technology allowing 'stealth' pics to be taken, in combination with facial recognition software being able to potentially match up a 'stealth' club or webcam pic to other pics with personal info attached ... such as driver's license photos, high school / college record photos, online newspaper photos, pics posted on social media sites, etc. ... is something that every dancer and camgirl needs to be aware of !!!


    And I can't picture anybody willingly surrendering their phone at front door. Even moreso (reluctancy) in the ~6 year interval since my cellphone thread, given the vast increase in cell phone (iPhone, etc.) capability. Might as well give front door your own personal computer
    At $1500 for Google Glass, and $ 500 for an IPhone, I tend to agree ! If a club makes a serious effort to 'confiscate' such devices at the door ... the owners / customers are likely to simply leave in favor the club down the street ( which won't care about their 'Smart Glasses' or G5 phones ) rather than trust these expensive devices containing tons of personal information to a club employee. And, obviously, the type of customer who has the extra money to spend on a Google Glass or the latest IPhone is NOT the type of customer that clubs and dancers really want to lose !


    Besides the dancers, I'm sure there are quite a few customers who would prefer not to have photos or videos taken of them at a strip club.
    I do agree that some 'upscale' clubs may enact no 'smart glasses' policies ... but, as you say, it will NOT happen for the benefit of the dancers. This will happen as the result of high profile 'upscale' club customers not wanting to take the chance that another club customer ( or someone posing as a customer ) will be able to 'stealth' record their strip club fun for possible later use in all sorts of unsavory ways.

    Unfortunately, if this develops as you anticipate, it will only serve to 'widen the gap' between 'upscale' clubs and other clubs ... thus making the situation worse for the 80%+ of dancers who won't be hired by those 'upscale' clubs.
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    Default Re: Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

    ^^^ That would depend on the dancers. If a lot of a club's best dancers start complaining/leaving because customers are taking photos or videos of them, the club might not have a choice. After all, the dancers are the main reason customers go to the clubs. Losing a lot of their top dancers could have a major impact on a club.

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    ^^^ flip side is that dancers choosing to quit a club rather than tolerate 'stealth' photography also need to get hired at a different club with an enforced 'no photography' policy if they want to continue to earn money ... which brings us right back to the 'upscale' clubs only hiring the top 20% of dancers issue.

    time will tell how Sapphire's policy actually works out. In truth, I'm speculating that this announcement is intended as 'lip service' to encourage customers to leave their 'smart glasses' at home ... while 'confiscation' of cell phones at the door, thus true dancer protection from 'stealth' photography, will not actually happen.
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    I hope that they're serious about this. One of the main reasons that I dance instead of doing camming, modeling, porn, videos, whatever, is that I don't want my kids googling me in 20 years and finding a picture of me with my tits out. I love dancing but don't feel the need for some judgmental employer to identify me as a sex worker down the line. I know it's becoming increasingly difficult to hide and many girls have had repercussions from it, but the fact that I file as independent contractor and there is no photos of proof makes me feel a lot more comfortable at my job.

    Most of the clubs I have worked at were very good about monitoring customers, there was a girl in LA who had a customer take a picture of her and the bouncer snapped up the phone, deleted it, and handed it back. Most of the time in LA the bouncers wouldn't be even let customers text/use the internet on their phone and if they spent more than a few seconds looking at it told them to put it away or go outside. And I mean really, why do you need your cellphone at a club? Isn't the point to be watching naked women? I always make fun of anyone who sits there on their phone. But they're shit about it in London, I see people on their phones all the time and no one says anything, it makes me REALLY uncomfortable.

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    Default Re: Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

    I reallly love my current club, but they are really bad about allowing customers to use their phones, even directly at mainstage, not to mention the balcony overlooking main stage.

    How about some kind of electro/magnetic/wavelength emitting device which counteracts Google Glassses, if worn by the dancer. Tinfoil hats style?
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    Kudos to Sapphire!!!!!

    The same with cellphones; when I was dancing I actually saw a few guys, either recording me or taking pics of me with their phones. All of them had to get new phones; I jumped off the state and broke their phones immediately.





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    Default Re: Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

    They now have glasses with a built in camera, for under 100 bucks, which would go undetected.
    If you haven't seen them, check them out on HSN-(home shopping network). If You recognize a guy in the club wearing them You could always have him reported.

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    there was a girl in LA who had a customer take a picture of her and the bouncer snapped up the phone, deleted it, and handed it back. Most of the time in LA the bouncers wouldn't be even let customers text/use the internet on their phone and if they spent more than a few seconds looking at it told them to put it away or go outside.
    The new 'problem' with smart phones and smart glasses is that a pic can be shot and transmitted to the 'cloud' ( allowing later use for facial recognition search or whatever purpose ) in less time than it takes a bouncer to notice what is happening. Thus even if a bouncer deletes a pic from the customer's phone, there's another copy of that pic waiting on a 'cloud' server when that customer gets home.


    How about some kind of electro/magnetic/wavelength emitting device which counteracts Google Glasses
    In point of fact, there are such devices available ... selling for about the same price as a smart phone ... which can 'jam' cell phone or wi-fi transmissions. Unfortunately, in the USA at least, such devices have already been ruled illegal for 'private' use. This ruling was the result of 'public safety' concerns i.e. the 'jamming' of a potential emergency call. See

    Thus US law generally supports the position that dancers have no 'expectation of privacy' when onstage or in 'public' areas of a club, and also says that a dancer / club has no right interfere with the network communication of cell phones and smart glasses in 'public' areas of the club.


    when I was dancing I actually saw a few guys, either recording me or taking pics of me with their phones. All of them had to get new phones; I jumped off the state and broke their phones immediately
    Again, under existing 'antique' US prohibited photography laws that haven't kept pace with technology, you were lucky. Under those laws, if the club has posted a 'no photography' policy, the club has the right to confiscate and destroy 'film', but does NOT have the right to confiscate and destroy 'cameras'. This means that while you / a bouncer has the right to delete a pic / video stored locally in a smart phone or smart glass, but cannot damage the device itself. As such, if you were to do this today, you could be held responsible for buying replacement smart phones or smart glasses for the devices you smashed ... carrying a $500-$1500 price tag each.

    In the past, customers may have let phone smashings 'slide' because the earlier generation of cell phones were comparatively cheap ... or because their phone carrier provided them with a 'free' replacement phone under their service contract. However, where the much more expensive IPhones and Google Glasses are involved, devices which will NOT be replaced for 'free' by the phone carrier, it is doubtful that customers will continue to let phone smashings 'slide'. And, obviously, any 'stealth' pics or video already transmitted to a 'cloud' server is 'untouchable', thus rendering the smashing of such devices after pics or video has been taken a 'moot' point toward actually maintaining dancer 'anonymity'.



    why do you need your cellphone at a club? Isn't the point to be watching naked women? I always make fun of anyone who sits there on their phone. But they're shit about it in London
    There are a myriad of reasons that customers might have for not wanting to 'give up' their cell phone at the club's front door ... from the huge amount of personal info the devices contain, to the fact that 'high powered' business people are often technically on call 24/7. And there is a sound business reason that clubs may choose to avoid confronting customers over their cell phones. From the clubowner's standpoint, pissing off and losing a customer costs the club profits, but any potential negative consequences of 'stealth' pics of dancers being taken will fall on the dancers not the club itself. As pointed out earlier, the only real issue for clubs would be that other customers might object if THEY were the target of 'stealth' photography by another customer.


    I see people on their phones all the time and no one says anything, it makes me REALLY uncomfortable.
    Well, for better or worse, this goes straight to the 'bottom line'. The increasing availability ( and affordability ) of smart devices capable of shooting and transmitting 'stealth' pics or video, in combination with the increasing availability of truly effective facial recognition software to the 'general public' a la Facebook's DeepFace - see , is reaching the point where the 'anonymity' previously enjoyed by dancers and camgirls is likely to be a thing of the past.

    Thus, for dancers, as well as camgirls, going forward from here the only truly safe assumptions will likely be that ...

    - there will probably be 'adult' digital images of them available 'somewhere' on the internet / 'cloud'.

    - those 'adult' digital images will probably be subject to facial recognition matchups versus other digital images, i.e. driver's license photos, high school / college record photos, online news media photos etc.

    - future facial recognition searches by customers, potential 'straight job' employers, family courts, etc. will potentially turn up the fact that the face attached to an 'adult' digital image belongs to girl X living at address Y
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    Default Re: Sapphire Gentlemen’s Club will be asking patrons to check their Google Glass

    at the same time, maybe this will cut back on all the little college girls who flood the clubs during spring break and summer wanting to be a stripper for a few months and flooding the clubs with girls! i always say, sex work has repercussions. you shouldn't just get into this thinking it will be a fun little romp where you get to be sexy and then go back to "real life" with no consequences. you wanna earn the money, you gotta deal with the downsides.
    i've been hearing how the google glass can actually backfire on the users quite a bit, and its been banned from quite a few places of business so we just gotta see

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    i've been hearing how the google glass can actually backfire on the users quite a bit, and its been banned from quite a few places of business so we just gotta see
    Again, Google Glass is somewhat unique in that Google made no effort to keep the glass from 'sticking out like a sore thumb' ... thus allowing effective 'enforcement' efforts against wearers. However, this is likely to be short lived, given that competing 'smart glass' products from ICIS and others are much less 'conspicuous'. And check out Google's next generation product research ...



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    this will cut back on all the little college girls who flood the clubs during spring break and summer wanting to be a stripper for a few months
    Indeed, this is something that college student dancers and camgirls need to consider ... because it's not beyond the realm of possibility that ... 4 years from now when they graduate and seek a professional license and professional 'straight' job ... the state professional licensing agencies and 'straight' job employers may be routinely running facial recognition searches on all applicants !!! Those facial recognition searches may well turn up matching faces in online / 'cloud' hosted 'stealth' stage-side pics of dancers doing splits, or screen-caps of camgirls with their Hitachi in high gear !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ my major worries regarding 'stealth' pic and video technology plus facial recognition technology go well beyond that ...

    - this could be a way for 'tax bounty hunters' masquerading as strip club customers to identify working dancers, and in turn cross-search to see if the dancers have filed tax returns in past years

    - this could be a way for 'unsatisfied' customers to discover the real name, address etc. of a dancer who they feel 'ripped them off' as a first step towards 'getting even'

    - if 'stealth' club pics or webcam video wind up being posted to an upload site, social media site, tube site etc., they could potentially come back later ... in some cases years later ... to 'haunt' the ( former ) dancer or camgirl in secondary ways ... such as prospective 'straight job' employers starting to routinely run facial recognition searches on all job applicants as part of standard background checks a few years from now.
    I think you are giving people too much credit. Most people are too stupid to even root their device, much less use it for this kind of hacking in low light conditions. Also, facial recognition can fail when the person is wearing dramatic makeup. Doing something as simple as contouring can make enough of a difference that a false positive is created and the subject of the photo is misidentified. We aren't smart enough to take a 2D image and make an accurate guess at what a 3D face looks like.

    Also, wearing glasses, hair pieces, hats etc. still throws this software off.

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    ^^^ it remains to be seen how 'smart' existing facial recognition software actually is today, versus dramatic makeup / hair changes / hats etc. Facebook is claiming a 97% effective match rate for their new facial recognition software. However, relative to this thread topic, today's facial recognition software capabilities are less important than whatever facial recognition software capabilities will actually exist a few years down the road. From that standpoint, I would think twice about 'risking' a 4 year investment to obtain a college degree in a 'sensitive' field, versus future facial recognition technology NOT being able to look past dramatic makeup etc. thus revealing an 'adult' industry background to prospective future 'straight job' employers.

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    There is also the bigger problem of people being associated with someone who is involved in unsavory activities. If every politician is ID'ed in photos at college with folks who went on to either work in an industry that is outside their party's platform (such as an abortion provider who was college friends with a Republican) or pics with sex workers at the clubs, this technology will become either completely outlawed or so common as to have no bearing on personal outcomes.

    I can see this kind of research as becoming outlawed when considering people for employment, loans or housing. It doesn't eliminate the possibility that someone will be rejected for a job or a loan because of a background check of this nature, but it will offer them some recourse should it happen. Just like people are discriminated against today for housing and jobs based on race, religion and sexual orientation but are given other reasons for the refusal.

    Basically, people suck. Shit like this has been going on forever, and will follow humanity to the ends of our species.

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    For now, I don't think dancers have too much to worry about. I just don't think there are that many people who are intent on sneaking a camera into a strip-club, taking photographs of dancers, and putting them on public websites. It's possible, but probably not very likely.

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    There is no expectation of privacy in public places. You do have an expectation of privacy in your home, a public bathroom, a changing room, and so on. I'm fine with Sapphires saying no cameras in the club. I don't care. But don't call it a privacy issue; that's a dangerous slippery slope.
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