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  • Customer was already close to release

    21 26.58%
  • Customer just wanted to see what I looked like nude/standing up

    4 5.06%
  • Customer suffered from premature ejaculation

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  • Customer is cheap and or on a budget

    11 13.92%
  • Technical Difficulties (my feed, site, customer's side)

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  • Because of my looks, attitude, personality

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  • Customer got caught/interrupted

    1 1.27%
  • Customer reached daily spending max

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  • I moved too slowly/quickly

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    Dizzy The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    *Warning* This was typed out while I was tired and little tipsy so I apologize in advance if some of the theories I've suggested don't make sense. I tend to think I'm smarter than I actually am when I do some recreational activities. Also, you don't have answer all of the questions (or any of them) as there are many.

    I've been pondering lately about the "science" and theory of short private shows and how they affect us and our earnings. Short shows in my opinion consist of free chat shows; all under 5 minutes, not including 30 second peepers. Five minutes isn't extremely long, but for some of us it's more of an average length than anything. For me, 5 minutes on SM gives me anywhere from $12-15+ and of course that adds up. I've come up with a few discussions and questions that I'd like you to answer if you don't mind. My real question is: What do you think is reason a lot of guys only last 4 minutes or less?

    I'm hoping we can all bring something to the table in this discussion so that we may walk away with a better understanding, and perhaps even a proven formula to gaining longer lasting private shows.

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    Porn/Tube Sites: Perhaps porn spoiled it for all of us. We are now able to watch snippets of any scene or compilation we want, fast forward to the good parts, and get off. Hell, even sites like C4S are designed for guys to get off fast, with most clip lengths averaging under 8 minutes. Have free tube sites made it easier for guys to just click and cum?

    I remember when porn was on VHS and DVD and you had to fast forward to get to the good scenes or you were stuck watching the whole, two plus hour video. Even back then things weren't as quick as they are now. I know that cammodels who were camming in the 90s and early 2000s took their time to do their shows and the men actually stayed until the show was over.

    Cam Sites: Has the fast food porn industry changed the way big box sites treat us? Cam sites never shut down so girls are available 24/7 like a drive through and many offer perks for members like "gold shows". Has the concept of gold shows affected how men view spending dollars vs. spending time? Example: ($4 Gold for 8 min vs. $4.99 for 1 min) For those of you who were camming before gold shows debuted, did you notice a decline in longer privates/exclusives?

    Men: The part of "them" that really matters. When it comes to pay-per-minute services our paychecks rely entirely on the ability to entertain and hold their attention spans. There are a ton of reasons why men only last as long as they do. I have listed a few "theories" that we can discuss which I've also added to the poll.

    • Customer was already masturbating and was close to release
    • Customer just wanted to see what you looked like standing up/nude
    • Customer got caught/interrupted
    • Premature Ejaculation
    • Customer is cheap and or on a budget
    • Technical Difficulties via your feed, the site, the customer
    • You think it's because of you...(looks, laugh, clothing) that particular day


    US
    Let's think about how each of us start off shows. Unless otherwise noted, when left to my own devices I personally start each and every show out the same; a striptease. I talk to the guy and ask him what I can do for him as I slowly start to remove my clothing and we go from there.

    I often wonder if in fact I'm going too slow for them in terms of what they want/expect. We are not mind readers but if we were doing everything the guy wanted then wouldn't the show be longer than 4-5 minutes?

    Do you think shorter shows have any bearing on your self-esteem, or give you a misconceived perception of how men really see us? Do you ever find yourself a little offended after a customer ends a session after a short amount of time?

    What I mean by this is that I know some of us will think the reason a guy only stayed in private for 4 minutes was because he didn't like what he saw, yet moments later we realized he indeed loved the show, rated 5 stars, and left a comment.

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    What happens when you take away their power, but give them options? This could mean drawing out the sessions, offering block sessions, and charging more per minute.

    I notice that when a guy pre-pays for an independently sold block session it's usually for a 10 minute show and most of them don't even last 10 minutes. I often wonder if he chose that time frame because it's the cheapest, or if he indeed only really needs 10 minutes to orgasm. I know for a fact that if I was married to, or dating a guy who orgasms within 10 minutes we'd have a problem.

    What confuses me is why a guy is willing to pay more money per min and stay under 4 min, but won't use his full minutes on a cheaper block session? Example: $8.99 x 4 = $35.96 vs. $3.50 x 10 = $35 guy wanks in 4 min show, but also wanks in 10 min show, but only lasts 4 min. What the heck is going on?

    I understand that there's a difference between physical sex and virtual sex but you'd think that physical contact would result in way more premature ejaculation or quickies than virtual, yet most men hold out and can go for hours. This makes me wonder if it all boils down to money as the men who are paying for virtual sex seem to have one eyeball on their finances, and another on their screens.

    I make more money and keep more regulars through indy customers with block sessions than I do on BBS. Perhaps it's because I'm more attainable on skype and yahoo than I am on BBS where I don't keep a schedule. There's something so amazing about knowing exactly how much you've made, getting paid first, and exactly how long you plan on entertaining for. On average my customer retention is 80% when it comes to indy block sessions.

    Thankfully we have the option to charge more per minute. If most guys are known to stay in pvt under 5 min, it's probably best to charge a higher rate so that you can ensure it's worth your while. Higher rates usually result in a higher caliber of customers as well as longer shows. I'm wondering if this is just the way camming is and if there really is something we can do to change short shows. What do you think?
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    Default Re: The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    Great post and very nicely worded. BTW I also feel I get smarter when I do recreational activities butttt…fuck that we ARE SMART regardless!
    Anyways…when I first started camming I would get a little insecure when a customer would leave within the first few minutes. I would question my looks, my personality and so on. The funny part was most of the times I would go back and find out that these same customers rated me a 5! A good amount are now regulars. Yes I have some "5 minute regulars" lol. It does add up though in the end. My insecurities were all in my head, and you know what, even if they didn't like me for whatever reason it's okay too because we can't please everyone. We just have to love ourselves and if someone else doesn't then they can fuck off.
    I feel in the end it usually comes down to money and how much they are willing to spend at that moment or what they can afford. I am sure there are other factors that come up but money is the big one IMO.

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    Default Re: The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    I feel most men who take me private on big box sites are impulse purchases. If we get to disconnect for any reason, no matter how far we are onto the show, they never come back, impulse gone. If i don't respond to a member right away in free chat, he's gone, no private show to be had. It seems they don't put much thought into it, and purchase on impulse.

    Also there is too much "candy" to be had on the big box site, so even if your rates are reasonably cheap, they won't stay longer in your show, because they want to see and afford more "candy" on the site.
    I can see why indy customers are more faithful to you, since they choose you and the block of time, not per minute so they are devoted to you until it ends, also indy is more personal in my opinion.

    Big box sites are turning into all you can eat buffets, and customers are behaving like in an all you can eat buffet: jumping from plate to plate, wasting some ( under 1 minute or 2 that makes you feel: well that was a waste of time), trying some ( 1- 5 minute show), eating some (8-10 minutes shows), and have as much as they can for as little as they can, plus there are lots of freebie tastings to be had: FREE CHAT
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    Default Re: The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    Thanks Natalie. We are both are on the same page because I too have come to expect short shows. I believe they just come with the territory and even they add up and quickly. I don't really ponder too much on what the guy thinks of me, I've just questioned some guys in my head after the fact. It's more like, HA, you spoke all this game in free chat but once we got to pvt you only lasted 4 min, or you wanted me to get naked too quickly and left.




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    Default Re: The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    I feel most men who take me private on big box sites are impulse purchases. If we get to disconnect for any reason, no matter how far we are onto the show, they never come back, impulse gone. If i don't respond to a member right away in free chat, he's gone, no private show to be had. It seems they don't put much thought into it, and purchase on impulse.

    Also there is too much "candy" to be had on the big box site, so even if your rates are reasonably cheap, they won't stay longer in your show, because they want to see and afford more "candy" on the site.
    I can see why indy customers are more faithful to you, since they choose you and the block of time, not per minute so they are devoted to you until it ends, also indy is more personal in my opinion. Big box sites are turning into all you can eat buffets, and customers are behaving like in an all you can eat buffet: jumping from plate to plate, wasting some, trying some, and have as much as they can for as little as they can, plus there are lots of freebie tastings to be had.
    I can't believe I forgot to mention these, busygirl. You are so right! A lot of the time it's an impulse buy because they are already in midstroke and lots of times they take you right into pvt without discussing their needs with you. Once they've gotten enough ammo they're off to the next girl. I suppose some of us are used as pre-wank material, wank material, and orgasm material depending on what stage they are in their wank session, lmao.

    I'm telling you, it's fast food porn. They see us on 24/7 like a 24 hour McDonald's and they go through the menu picking what they want . Sometimes they crave something spicey, other times they want something sweet. Sometimes they want the dollar menu, other times they want a Big Mac (lom) and can afford to splurge a little. I do notice that for a lot of them it is like a massive Vegas buffet and they want to sample any and everything that looks tasty.




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    Quote Originally Posted by kortneykay View Post
    I suppose some of us are used as pre-wank material, wank material, and orgasm material depending on what stage they are in their wank session, lmao.
    Hit the nail on the head .

    I'm so thankful most behave like this though, especially in an over saturated market, and even inconsistent cam girls like myself can pull in money right away, that adds up after all.

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    Default Re: The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    I mean, I figure it boils down to a couple of major reasons. Honestly, it's so weird sitting on cam as the chick. Like, really, when I think about I just imagine these guys--who are always dressed, in my mind--sitting there trying to find a chick to jack off too. Reality? They're already jerking off to me (and I'm fully clothed, which just adds to my disturbed and bitchy attitude towards dudes who try to hit on me at bars and stare lewdly--pay for your fucking porn or go blind bastards! Ahem, side rant). I know this because as soon as I go private and they turn on their cam I get an up close and personal look at their dick, no strip tease required. So, yes, reason number one is that they've already been wanking.

    Reason number two is that they're cheap. I mean, really, most dudes expect to see tits for free ('and then we'll go exclusive bb, I PROMISE!' Lolz, no, fuck off) and plenty beg for ass/pussy/stand/do a goddamn mother fucking cartwheel and name your first born after me, Mr. BigNDeep9InchDick! They're just cheap fuckers and refuse to pay for more than a few minutes.

    Reason number three is actually my standing theory though. We're thinking about it as women. I mean, really--chicks trying to understand the goings on of men using woman logic? This never ends well or accurately. We're thinking of them masturbating the way women do, which is generally to say slow, sensual, and very, very time-consuming. Men can cum in 5 minutes. Those minute man jokes? Yeah, right there. Men don't masturbate like women. Them getting off in a couple of minutes is totally reasonable and not a reflection on you at all if you consider it from that angle. They just suck at holding off as a whole.


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    Default Re: The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    I truly believe that it's because guys are cheap.. The proof- My short show regs will only stay under 5 minutes in a prvt., yet stay the entire 30 minutes in a voyeur show for 5 dollars.

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    Holy crap!! You typed that all out kinda tipsey?! Watch out!!! You're dangerous.

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    Mare, I was on a ermm natural substance when I wrote this not to mention I'd already had two bottles of woodchuck cider, lol.




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    I think on BBS some customers are jerking off while they search and just buy a show when they are ready to cum. On NF I rarely have short shows because they can't see thing until they pay. My shows on IMLive where I don't do free chat are also generally longer than my shows on SM so far. So I think wanking in free is a factor, this is generally more the case with some types of customers than others. Most of my fetish guys stay longer, but some of them are also getting free wanking in first as well.
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    D'oh! I voted for 'customer is cheap', but then after I voted I noticed the option for 'variations of all of the above'. Lol.
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    I blame short shows from me having a penis! Most men find it so out of this fucking world. So they burst a nut or two almost instantly! Praise Jesus I've found ways to slow them down!
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    When I first started camming I would have chosen the option about me, my looks, attitude etc.
    After camming for this long I now know there's loads of reasons why, and the primary reasons I believe are: the guy is already stroking his cock and is ready to release, he just needs 1-3 minutes of a private for the visual to push him over the edge, or of course the fact that he's cheap and does not want to spend a lot of money.
    I'm so glad I got over the fear of it being my fault. You get over that quick when that short pvt guy comes back again or rates you a 5.

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    What's BBS I feel like I'm missing something?

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    Default Re: The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    It also depends on the "culture" of the site. When I get prvts on MFC they last 15+ mins, same with Kinklive. On SM I still get long shows, but many are the wham bam ty bb types.

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    What's BBS I feel like I'm missing something?
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    Check out this video, which is supposedly educational material about the statistical realities of sex. It claims that 75% of guys come within 3 minutes of starting sex. http://youtu.be/q64hTNEj6KQ

    I've also asked my husband about this, and he mentions that most guys can come extremely fast from wanking. If you think about it, most guys start jerking off when they're preteens, and there's always a risk that a parent or sibling is going to walk in on them. So guys' very first sexual experiences are jerking off as fast as humanly possible before someone can interrupt them. By the time they're 18 and old enough to be using our services, they've got it down to a fine art. For the guys that are budget-conscious, they have monetary motivation to put their fast-wank skills to good use during a PPM cam show. If they choose to buy a block of time for a set price (whether it's a block show or a gold show), they can take it a little slower and enjoy themselves.

    Guys take longer during actual sex because a) they don't want the embarrassment of being minute-men, and b) our vaginas just don't have the level of control and expertise that their hands do, so it's going to take a bit more time. Unless, of course, your junk is magical like mine, in which case you've probably induced your fair share of 3-minute-or-less ejaculations, lol.
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    Hm this is an interesting thread. One which I think there is no right or wrong, or stupid answer at the vote poll.

    I honestly had to go with Customer was Already Close to Release. I hear this time after time in my room how close a member is to blowing his load.
    I think that (well it makes sense) guys don't go to cam sites when they are not horny, with very few exceptions of course.
    How many times have you seen or booted a member out who was just watching you? He was doing so for a reason I believe. Not just parking his name there.
    I think they room hop, get turned on and finally find us, ah what lucky us to have a guy free wank to us....not.

    But sure, with porn thrown all over everything the web has to provide in one way or another, along with commercials, movies etc.etc. These guys then want a real connection to blow. It's us. We are after all real, real time and will respond to a guy online.

    I can go on and on, I seriously think he wants to cum and he is about there and we are wank material.
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    Yeah guess im one of the few ladys with the mind of a 13year old boy^^; But ive never questioned it and totally get it. I personally dont have time or energy to light candles and get sensual with myself plus I think thats kinda dumb if I just lookin for a nut (masturbation and uh romance have no business together in my world, well romance in general~ begone!). When I masturbate privately I get off in like 5min or less cause I got other shit to do in life and I just dont have time for that, plus if I wanna make a whole thing of it I could be working making $$$. LOL Regardless I understand the 2 main reasons behind short shows, time and money the 2 main anythings in the world. And Magical Hoohah hit the nail on the head 100% they've been doing this a lot there whole life there pro wankers. So a pro wanker that wants to cum but has a life to get back to and a budget, thats 90% of the customer base in my mind.
    I really never bother questioning show length, I do what I do (I dont stall in shows because I personally find it insanely rude to ignore my customers time, money, and sexual needs, cause those are the reasons hes here.) and the guys do what they enjoy, have there fun, i get paid we all win. Spending too much time questioning the whys and what ifs of everything in this job is an easy way to go kinda crazy, its kinda a HR type job imo and every damn human is different, as long as you know yourself and are confidant you really needent sweat the small things a custy may think, or the quick cummers ways.
    Moral of the story : Men are pro masturbaters even more than we are lol

    PS I think there should be a none of the above in that poll, also what about they did what they needed/wanted, not because the were pre whacked off but because 4-5mins is what it takes. Whats "premature" in ones eyes is a job well done in anothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalRose View Post
    well romance in general~ begone!
    LOL! I feel the same most of the time.
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    Whats "premature" in ones eyes is a job well done in anothers.
    I <3 this - it's a great perspective to have about the issue. I get a lot of 5 star ratings from guys that stayed less than 3 minutes. I'm sure they're not thinking about premature anything, and they probably do feel like they came fast because my job was well done.
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    Default Re: The Theory behind short shows: Us vs. Them

    What bothers me about these short show guys. Like 1:30 guys... is that it seems that they basically are trying to get every flash in my room topic, for the price of one. As soon as they see it all they leave immediately. Also it seems they wait until I have a room full of chatty people who would have potentially spent more money.. as soon as their asses take me exclusive my room gets cleared out and there goes my chance!


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    I have to agree with those who stated that guys have an orgasm quicker because they are masturbating, vs. sex with an actual human.
    I know, for myself, I always have an orgasm in less than 2 minutes when I use my Hitachi.
    If I am with a guy, most times I never come. One of the reasons I've been celebate for a long, long time.

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    I'm still fairly new to camming (just over a year) so I've always had the 5 minute guys and never thought much of it. I thought that seemed about average for vanilla customers in group shows. To me, short shows are only a minute or so!

    The literal "minute men" are the ones I wonder about - I'm guessing that 90% of the time they're shopping around/sampling the buffet or they don't want to spend a lot. I've seen some of my Gold show guys do that - they only stay 2 minutes in private, but they can last a full 8 minutes in a Gold show...lol.

    It usually only happens when I'm already in a group show. They pop in for a minute or two, never say a word, and disappear in to the void. *shrug* With that said, I *would* find it strange to do a short fetish show, since there's usually some setup involved. When that happens, it's usually due to connection problems or unexpected guests.

    When you consider that most people are used to masturbating quickly to get to release, relax, and move on with their lives, 5 minutes seems about right. When I'm by myself, I can cum in under a minute if I want to - I go for five minutes if I take the time to look up a few different vids or try out a new toy or something. I mean, the average length for sex is usually estimated to be around 10 minutes (not necessarily including foreplay, which can obviously stretch that time frame out considerably), so I would assume that an average vanilla show would be in that ballpark.


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