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    Default No private dances at this new club

    So I tried out a new club last nite while my home club is literally closed for repairs, & have sm doubts as to whether their setup is really smtg I can live w/. My area is no-contact so there are no LDs here per de, but my home club does table dances & has VIP/CR setup. At this place, & apparently all the other clubs in town, 98% of your $$ comes from stage & this owner is adamant abt 'no hustling' to the point where we are permitted to get paid for conversation/company but expressly forbidden from asking for tips/payment. Hoping to get sm advise since this is the first time I have encountered a club that does no dances whatsoever. As I see it:

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    DR is TINY w/ a carpet so filthy it can probably only be cleaned thru burning, & the lack of space magnifies my annoyance w/ 2am sloshed-stripper insanity.

    3 small stages, the one w/ the most vertical space is 6'6" & I am 6' even in my heels. The poles are thus equally tiny, pole tricks are possible but you gotta literally squeeze them in & definitely look both ways b4 cranking out spins or extensions bc the general dimensions are so cramped.

    I almost left halfway thru the shift but got talked into staying. Wth, I was already there. But the mgr is PROMISING! that a well-spoken attractive young lady such as myself will be able to attract the 'pay for conversation' customers, even tho in no uncertain terms am I permitted to ask for $$. It is a fireable offence. So feels like offstage time is wasted hoping I will get paid for my company.

    Not sure how I feel abt this: Stage sets consist of 20min sets & we go up once/hr on average. Set length is determined by time rather than song # since all 3 stages are going at once.

    Pros:

    minimal tipout requirement totals $25
    no particular dress code. Wear pretty much whatever as long as it looks nice.
    No alcohol requirement is always good since I do not imbibe at work
    staff seems to be pretty friendly

    I am giving it one more shift but my only real options for the time being are this setup, or dancing in MD & not sure I want to deal w/ MD clubs.

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    Default Re: No private dances at this new club

    Thats sounds like a hassle especially if it's not what you're used to. Might be worth it since other clubs in the area are that way, so it's not like guys are gonna be unhappy with the lack of private dances. That being said I think it really limits your money making potential since you can't ask for tips.
    From the sounds of it though the stages don't have that much going for them either since the clearance is so low...which seems pretty hazardous if you're trying to do tricks.
    Definitely give it one more night, but if it really doesn't work with your style it would probably be better to find another place since you should be comfortable and able to make money wherever you're working.

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    Default Re: No private dances at this new club

    what?? no dances? no hustling? how on earth are they expecting you to earn a decent wage? unless all the customers there are great guys who will pay for JUST conversation on their own without ANY prompting..ahh i'd go nuts unless it gets packed and you make at least 200 bucks on stage every time.

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    I went home w/ $250 last nite & almost all of it was directly earned on stage. My bitch is that it feels like I cannot maximise the time I am at work since all I can do is look cute & talk & hope for the best. It is frustrating.

    I am also dealing w/ religious landlords that are looking to 're-evaluate' me this wk & the bf does not get back til the 22nd so I am shitting bricks when my job comes up.

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    Also I have exactly enough vertical clearance to do butterfly or ayesha type tricks but it is a struggle to get the right grip w/ my feet bc they are practically against the ceiling, & I had a terrifying moment where I thought sm1 was trying to grab me during an invert. You are in complete reach of the customers the whole time. I also pinched or squeezed smtg in my neck trying to do a combo in that tight space, & looking back it seems like way more physical risk than on a normal stage. Shit.

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    Default Re: No private dances at this new club

    The risk to your health and safety doesn't sound worth it. You should find somewhere else if you're having that much trouble maneuvering the pole. Overall it just doesn't sound like the right place for you.
    And ugh religious and judgemental people are the worst. Sorry you have to deal with that.

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    OP, sounds like you are in DC! It is true, clubs there have been slow for a while now, however, believe it or not, there was insane money to be made there on conversation alone in the good old days! Hustling and asking for money was forbidden, and was even deemed illegal due to the local "cabaret" license requirements, but in return, you got decent shift pay. That is hard to believe for some because it is so rare today, and also makes it difficult to switch to a standard club anywhere else, with hustling involved. DC clubs are run in very old school ways. The best advice I can give you is to make regulars, most of the tips will be from them (like any club, but in DC especially). If you run out of things to say, just keep asking them questions, or get them, the customers, to talk about themselves.
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    Default Re: No private dances at this new club

    I hate clubs that have cramped stages like that, my club right now it like that. I can climb the pole, do a handstand, leg hand, inverts, superman, etc, but spins are totally out unless I'm hugging the pole. And they don't wipe it down nor is there anything to use to wipe down so I'm afraid to do anything but a basic leg hang by the end of the evening to be honest.

    It sounds like a difficult place to make money, and quite a boring work environment-- I guess if you cannot ask for tips your time is best spent socializing with customers in the hope that they offer tips to your or creating some kind of relationship with them means they will tip you more on stage. If there's no other club open as an option to you I guess it's better than just sitting at home?

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    Default Re: No private dances at this new club

    Yeah, the 'don't ask/hint/allude to requiring a tip for your time' rule is really frustrating. Ime, the locals get it--which is great! But the out of towners/convention people aren't at all familiar with this concept. And, imho, unless the waitress/manager/owner explains the whole tipping for conversation scheme to outsiders there really isn't any way for them to catch on, since the dancer directly asking/hinting/discretely suggesting is taboo. I guess I could be argued that customers should be able to figure it out, but when they're coming from lapdance clubs where money and tips are openly discussed I think it's a bit of a culture shock. I see alot of customers who rack up extraordinary bar tabs--literally buying the entire dancer staff drink after drink all night long-who end up not tipping the girls anything(off stage)throughout the night...and I have to wonder if they are 'assuming' that the girls are making commission off of the drinks.

    I've heard coworkers claim that there is money to be made in MD, however i've also heard some not-so-nice things about those clubs so Idk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusdancer View Post
    OP, sounds like you are in DC! It is true, clubs there have been slow for a while now, however, believe it or not, there was insane money to be made there on conversation alone in the good old days! Hustling and asking for money was forbidden, and was even deemed illegal due to the local "cabaret" license requirements, but in return, you got decent shift pay. That is hard to believe for some because it is so rare today, and also makes it difficult to switch to a standard club anywhere else, with hustling involved. DC clubs are run in very old school ways. The best advice I can give you is to make regulars, most of the tips will be from them (like any club, but in DC especially). If you run out of things to say, just keep asking them questions, or get them, the customers, to talk about themselves.
    Good luck!
    Yes ma'am, good old DC. Only thing is, the clubs do not give the dancers shift pay, at least not at any of the clubs I have tried or even talked to. If I had known that my home club was the only one doing dances of any kind I could have had that as a selling point for the 'what do I get' type customers, but we learnt today that it will be closed indefinitely.

    The mgr was trying to sell me on the whole 'they will pay for your company & conversation' bit but I had exactly one guy the entire nite out of a couple dozen who actually did so. Maybe it is a club culture/regional thing more than anything but anywhere I have worked it has been a rare customer that is willing to shell out decent or even steady $$ for 'just conversation'.

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    ^I've had customers do it, but there usually has to be some kind of agreement, they have to be pushed, etc-- very rarely does somebody just hand over a 20 or 50 for some convo. I don't understand why your manager has an issue with you asking for tips?

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    I worked in a club with a "no hustling" policy. You just learn how to hustle w/o actually asking for $$. I'd use stories about how much fun it is to give table dances and how I would love to try out a new table dance move, but haven't been asked to dance yet today. The customers are pretty good at getting the hint, and will either turn you down ("I'm sure someone will buy a dance from you tonight.") if they aren't interested or will respond with a request for a dance. You didn't directly ask him for a dance, so strictly speaking, you weren't "hustling."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    I worked in a club with a "no hustling" policy. You just learn how to hustle w/o actually asking for $$. I'd use stories about how much fun it is to give table dances and how I would love to try out a new table dance move, but haven't been asked to dance yet today. The customers are pretty good at getting the hint, and will either turn you down ("I'm sure someone will buy a dance from you tonight.") if they aren't interested or will respond with a request for a dance. You didn't directly ask him for a dance, so strictly speaking, you weren't "hustling."
    I like that idea a lot & will give it a try at my nxt club that does dances, but this one does not do dances at all.

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    What are your prospects for finding a new club? Would you be in a bad place if you were out of work for a week or two?

    I'm thinking that you could shamelessly hustle and ask for tips until you get fired. You may even only be warned! That way, you could continue to maximize your time at this club, while searching for new clubs on your nights off.

    I'm mostly worried that the stage seems so unsafe. If you've already hurt yourself in such a short amount of time, it's not very promising to be there long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaninchen View Post
    What are your prospects for finding a new club? Would you be in a bad place if you were out of work for a week or two?

    I'm thinking that you could shamelessly hustle and ask for tips until you get fired. You may even only be warned! That way, you could continue to maximize your time at this club, while searching for new clubs on your nights off.

    I'm mostly worried that the stage seems so unsafe. If you've already hurt yourself in such a short amount of time, it's not very promising to be there long term.
    I am going tonite w/ a friend from my home club to check out clubs outside DC. she is also at a club that she is not happy w/ so we are going to venture out together & see what else is available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    Yes ma'am, good old DC. Only thing is, the clubs do not give the dancers shift pay, at least not at any of the clubs I have tried or even talked to. If I had known that my home club was the only one doing dances of any kind I could have had that as a selling point for the 'what do I get' type customers, but we learnt today that it will be closed indefinitely.

    The mgr was trying to sell me on the whole 'they will pay for your company & conversation' bit but I had exactly one guy the entire nite out of a couple dozen who actually did so. Maybe it is a club culture/regional thing more than anything but anywhere I have worked it has been a rare customer that is willing to shell out decent or even steady $$ for 'just conversation'.
    Miss DC a lot! I guess they stopped the shift pay due to various reasons: overhead costs, operational expenses, renovations, making up for lack of foot traffic, etc. That sucks, cause that used to help a lot, plus no tip out, unless you wanted to. Oh well, times have changed! It also became tough when some DC clubs became more of a "nightclub" type which drew in the party crowds. And you are very correct, out of towners did not understand the concept well either. Hopefully you can make some great regulars soon!

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