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hey all,
so I have a few updates to write about, I meant to do this sooner but I haven't had time
New Payout Options
I'm in the process of setting up a new payroll system, it should be in place by payout date of Feb 15th but that remains to be seen at this point because there have been a few snafus in figuring out how to get the $$$$$ into my account to fund payouts. Through the new system I'll be able to offer ACH to US-based listees (at a cost of $4) and EFT to CA/UK/EU-based listees (at a cost of $3-$5 depending on the nation).
Resources
Based on a few of the posts above I decided to create a small, private info group on the site. It's not a forum (why reinvent the wheel) even though it's organized like one, and it's a small, private place to share info and resources and discuss issues pertaining to indy camming (rates, advertising, SEO, etc). No one can see it unless they're logged in, so no clients of the site will be able to read it. If you're on LCMS and would like to read or participate please shoot me an email or PM with your desired user name and I'll send you the login details.
Unbranded Pages
Those aren't new but they are becoming increasingly popular so I figured they merited another mention. The unbranded pages are for use with one's own clients, and are customized to the design of the chica's website or blog. To get a sense of the options available on the unbranded pages you can check out a list . With unbranded pages I also design the payment page (where guys input their cc details) to match, so it's pretty seamless and a way to keep each chica's own traffic from being sent to the main directory for payment. Quite a few chicas are using one of each (a directory profile and an unbranded page) so really it's about using whichever option(s) fit each individual.
Reviews
A couple of my clients have suggested adding a review section to the site, and after thinking about it a little I think it's a good idea. I won't be using a 'star' system though, I find those insulting personally, and on sites where I've seen them used some guys leave a wicked review and then forget about the numerical star rating, meaning a chica's review looks less stellar than it actually is.
I've created a page for guys to write reviews, all of which will be moderated and will be matched by email address to ensure the guy actually booked a show, but I don't really want to add a blank reviews page to the site. I could write some fake ones I suppose but I don't think that ethically that's ok, so I need some legit ones. For anyone willing to ask a client (it could be a reg or past client, he doesn't need to book a new show) to leave a review I'll post you at the top of the site for a couple of weeks as a gesture of thanks. For anyone who'd like to participate, the page where guys can leave a review is
That's all for now I think. LCMS is continuing to grow and I've contacted my bank to raise my monthly payment limit (for the second time woot woot) because while December was awesome January kinda exploded upward. February is on track to beat that so I'm pretty delighted. This growth is due to all of you who use and support LCMS, so thank you. Beyond it being so awesome to watch the site grow I really enjoy working with each one of you.
If you have any questions about any of the above please post away or shoot me an email.
Hope everyone is having a wicked night![]()
Last edited by loveshooks; 02-11-2015 at 09:10 AM. Reason: added in a url
two mini updates
last Sunday was the first payout week with my new payroll system. ACH and EFT are both working flawlessly, and the payments arrive much more quickly than I originally anticipated.
also, in light of the google/blogger smack down on adult, I've started offering multi-page unbranded profiles. this option is for models who don't wish to host their own website or blog, but would like an unbranded, customized set of pages to use as a site (an 'about me' page, 'contact', 'gallery pics', blog, etc along with the payment page).
I've only done one so far, and I'll probably make up a demo over the next couple of days so that individuals who may be interested in that alternative can get a better sense of what a multi-page profile would look like. I don't expect this to be a huge draw as both tumblr or one's own hosted website are free/low cost viable options, but the LCMS option is there for anyone who wishes to use it.
I threw together a little multi-page demo located here:
most of the menu buttons don't work, as I didn't want to build a whole site. the demo is simply to give chicas a sense of what that option would involve





I've been watching this thread and admiring what you're doing, but this past while I've not been able to multitask with my computer so haven't been doing any indy. My new super duper PC arrives this week though, so I'll be hitting you up soon re a payment page if you'll have me.
Do you pay weekly even to outside the U.S.?
thanks chica, and I'd love to have you on LCMS.
weekly payout is for all listees, no matter the nation. For the UK I have EFT (direct deposit) which costs $5 and arrives in 2-3 days after it's sent. The other options are Paxum ($8.95 charged by Paxum to withdraw funds) and Payoneer private load (3.75% of the amount sent).
Since it costs $4 for ACH deposits, is it possible to do monthly payment rather than weekly?
I am loving the set up for non-branded pages. I think this might work great for me since I do so many custom videos. Thanks for your awesome work on this!




^^ That's a really good question, and I'd like to know, too. I also totally forgot to send my info to switch over to ACH, so I'm glad this thread popped up again to remind me.
Regarding the review page, if guys leave us a review, can the review also appear in a little section somewhere our profile page? I like the idea of a group review page, because guys browsing the reviews might be inclined to check out ladies they hadn't really noticed before. But if I can get my guys to write a review, I'd kind of like it to show up on my profile as well, so guys checking out my profile have easy access to my reviews. Of course, I don't really want an empty review section on my profile either. The more I think about this, the more it seems a bit complicated for you, LH, and maybe others wouldn't like their reviews to appear on their profiles anyway...?
Originally Posted by temptingmodel
thanks for the kind wordssure, if a listee prefers to be paid monthly that's totally fine. I always try to keep costs down as well when receiving payments, and $4 per month in fees is much lower than $16. the other option for US-based listees is online check, which is free. I send out payments on Sundays and checks typically arrive on Thursday. It basically comes down to a matter of what type of arrangement would work best for each listee.
I hadn't even thought of that. Sure, I could easily add client reviews to chica's profile pages, it would take about 2 seconds to copy/paste the code. I'd prefer leave that decision up to each individual listee however, rather than make that the default. I agree empty review sections don't send a great message to prospective clients, so for chicas who'd like a space for reviews on their profile, I'd only add those in once at least review was sent in. It wouldn't be complicated at all though.
thank you again everyone for your interest in and support of LCMS, I really appreciate it. I never imagined I would enjoy running this site as much as I do, and the reason I enjoy it so much is because it gives me an opportunity to work with such amazing individuals. thank you for that
hope everyone is having a wicked night![]()





This woman (Jesse!) is bloody fast. I just mentioned theoretically using LCMS soon, and boom, I already have a custom payment page. Wow! Thanks hun, will get back to you later.
i think ill be signing up to this once ive rebranded and got my new custom built laptop![]()
I work so many sites, etc that I always forget to sign up on your site..... ( bad girl melanie, bad girl!!), I m gonna sign up this week and see how it goes
Looks like u put lots of work into it, I hope the site is doing great, u and the girls deserve it!![]()
Melanie
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I was going to ask this privately, but I may not be the only person who doesn't know about this, so... What is an online check? I know that with ACH, you send the money, the banks do their thing, and the money shows up in my account. For practical purposes, is an online check the same process? Or do you somehow email us a check and we have to deposit it? (ETA: I did try to google this, but apparently the internet wants to redirect me to ACH info.)
Also, did the resource forum disappear?
Originally Posted by temptingmodel
I get my checks via the mail, and I would think that online check is when she pays you through her bank online. (as you would do when you pay a bill online through your checking account online) my checks don't come in a envelope with a check in it, its a perforated thing.. if that makes sense.
^^^thanks for clarifying
yeah, by online check I mean checks sent out online, straight from my bank. @MH you know my mail issues down here better than anyone (to everyone else I'm deadly serious that the average mail delivery time down here is 3 months), so I always specify that the checks are being sent out directly from a bank within North America to indicate that delivery will be prompt and efficient.
regarding the forum, I was actually coming here to post about that and a few other things, so thanks for providing an intro. the site is currently undergoing some massive restructuring to speed up the site, speed up the dynamic 'online models' feature and install a back end so chicas can easily publish their own clips. As such the forum will be up and down, and the online models section won't working 24/7 over the next couple of days. Basically the site will be wonky as fuck for the next few days, but I don't anticipate that profile pages, payment buttons will be at all affected.
To address the temporary 'online models' feature issue, I've put up some static thumbs on the home page so the site won't look barren when the feature isn't working, so if you expect to be online in the next couple of days and your static thumbnail pic isn't already up, please let me know and I'll add you promptly.
Regarding the forum, I may end up moving that to a different domain (I'm thinking my info blog) to help with the site speed issue. If I end up moving it over I'll republish all the content from each author so it will be exactly the same as it was before, just hosted on a new domain. Either way it will still be completely private.
Another update, I'm currently working on providing new payment options to site clients. These options will be of particular interest to those who tend to attract Euro clients, as Visa/MC are not the most popular payment options in quite a few nations.
On the above I'm seeking some feedback though, as at least one of the new options will come at a cost of 14%. Factoring in advertisement and site maintenance that means I won't be able to offer 85% on those options without operating at a loss, so I've come up with a few ideas:
1) the no-brainer, make participation in the secondary payment options an opt-in system, so listees with no desire to participate don't feel forced to do so.
and
2) either charge a premium to site clients who use those payment options in order to be able to offer 85% payout or
3) pay out 80-85% on cc payments and 80% on secondary payment system sales. Listees could always charge higher rates for clients who choose to use the secondary options, to discourage those who have credit cards from using the 80% option
I'd love some feedback on the above from anyone who has any thoughts.
I also wanted to post about something a little more nebulous. LCMS is growing rapidly, I can barely keep up with the new listees sending in applications and payouts are expanding exponentially. This site is already more successful than I ever dared to dream it would be, and in all honesty most of the most successful aspects of the site only exist because of listee feedback. If anyone ever has any ideas about features that would be helpful to you or your business please don't hesitate to contact me, I'm always open to feedback and if a suggestion is possible I'll implement it. Here I just want to insert a huge thanks to everyone who has supported LCMS, to everyone who participates and provides invaluable ideas and feedback that have helped shape LCMS into what it is, and what it's becoming.
Current changes that are on the horizon include:
1) a back end for models to edit their own profiles
2) an admin area where listees can check on their bookings for the week without waiting for the weekly pay stubs/bookings lists (that's a longer term project as my current gateway doesn't have a system for that, as such it will only be available after I switch to a new gateway and there will be a few merchant bank/bureaucratic issues involved in that)
3) phone sex. once I'm finished with the work on the site the phone sex feature will be next on the priority list.
4) inspired by some amazing chicas (Ms Hoohah and Ivy B I'm looking at you, along with every chica on LCMS who isn't afraid to charge higher than average rates and still rakes in the bookings) it's evident that our niche could use an indy-style 'raise the rates' challenge. We're due for it, as MH has pointed out previously average indy rates are actually lower than they were 5 years ago.
I thought a fun way to go about it would be to create an LCMS challenge. For any listee who participates, the payout will be 85% base for the duration of the contest (I'm thinking maybe two or three weeks so that chicas have enough time to gauge how raising their rates impacts their personal bottom line - though I bet they'll be pleasantly surprised) and then at the end giving the participant listee who earns the most over the duration of the contest a cash prize. We could extrapolate that to a general sw raise the rates thing as well, for anyone who is interested in trying out the idea and we could all report back with our results, to hopefully inspire others to try it out.
I'd love some feedback on the above, as this is just an idea I pulled out of my head and I think we could all benefit from collaboration in ironing out the details, assuming anyone is interested
I think that's all for now. I sent out payouts for the week early as tomorrow I'll be celebrating my mom's birthday and I plan to be far away from my comp. I'll still be available via email though so if anyone needs to contact me I'll be checking that throughout the day.
hope everyone is having a wicked weekend![]()
Last edited by loveshooks; 03-09-2015 at 01:15 AM.




^^Oooooh. :facepalm: Online check = paper check like I currently get.
I was thinking an online check was some cool new tech thing, like how you can use your smartphone as your boarding pass for an airplane. LOL!
As for the rest of that... holy cow! So much awesome going on! I'm going to have to come back to that later.
Originally Posted by temptingmodel





That sounds awesome and I am so happy to see prices are coming up.
I noticed that it's harder now to find a particular model by name now that the site has grown so much and there are a lot of models to look through, one thing I would love to see is a little text title with the models screen name underneath each model's photo so it's easier for a customer to find a particular model.
^^^see, this is what I mean. Genius, thank you!
I was actually looking at the 'all models' page last night and thought that it was a bit overwhelming and difficult to navigate, all those pics scrunched together. Adding in names never occurred to me and you're right, sometimes a guy will remember a name but not the page URL or thumbnail pic (that holds true particularly for models who opt not to show their faces in their pics). For those guys the 'all models' page was useless, you could definitely say the same about some of the larger categories.
I added names to the 'all models' page and I'll do the same with each category over the next few days.
thanks again Laurie, brilliant idea.
Last edited by loveshooks; 03-08-2015 at 06:17 PM. Reason: spelling sux
First off, ^_^. It wouldn't be possible without your incredible platform, dedication, and amazing work.
Second, what you're saying about the challenge isn't quite clear. 85% is what we get now, isn't it? So the prize would go to a single performer as a lump sum rather than a payout increase? (The wording just seemed like you might have meant a payout % increase.) Other than that, I'd do it regardless!
thanks for the awesome words, and wicked that you'd be on board![]()
as to how to actually organize it, I haven't gotten that deep into ideas as first I wanted to gauge reaction to the idea, probably the next step would be to post a 'raise the indy rates' challenge thread so that the idea gets more exposure. Then, anyone on (or off) LCMS can participate if they so choose. My hope is that if chicas who participate write back with positive results, we could inspire others to try it as well. For myself anyways the biggest barrier to raising my rates was psychological reticence, once I overcame that I found I was earning at least an extra $100 per day, often more. I wish I'd done it sooner, and I'm looking forward to raising em again to see what happens
As to how to organize rewards, you're right that most chicas currently receive 85% so that in an of itself isn't a huge incentive, the problem is that recently I had to raise my monthly payment limit with my bank again (if one terms y'all making too much $$$$ a problem)so my merchant reserve got bumped way up as well. That means I can't offer 90% right now with operating at a major loss, so I'm thinking maybe cash prizes for the top or top three earners for the duration of the challenge? Or run a three week challenge and offer a prize to the top person each week? I could also adjust the home page to give more exposure to challenge participants.
In terms of risk of participating, I keep seeing the same guys booking different chicas -all of whom have different per min rates. to me that underscores the argument that rates are not the primary factor for guys in choosing with whom to cam.
On a related note, LCMS got our first 'request a custom', I'll be publishing those in the home page sidebar as they come in. I haven't crunched the numbers but I'd make an educated guess that the per min average on the site is currently in the $3-$3.50 per min range, and the first request is asking for a show at $4 per minute. To me this just underscores the notion that guys are willing to pay for quality, and if we're anything we're qualityThere are tons of sites that advertise indy chicas using the rubric and discourse of free chat site promotion, I don't want LCMS to cater to that discount crowd.
so yeah, I may just go ahead and start a thread to see who's interested, I'll also send out an email this week so that listees who don't frequent sw can opt in if they choose.
if anyone has any thoughts or ideas to add please feel free. hope everyone is having an amazing day![]()





What will guy's credit card statements say when they pay through LCMS?
It's very discreet, the name on the cc statement is J S Networks.
Payments to listees are equally discreet, those are sent in my own name and there's nothing about them that can be tied to adult work.




I like option 2 the best, to be honest. I don't really like option 3 for a few reasons:
1) It would make it that much harder for ladies to keep track of their earnings. It's bad enough that a lot of us have to remember which site each show came from, and what percentage we're currently receiving from that site. Having to sort each show based on the payment processor is a lot of stuff to keep track of. I think models would find it pretty hard to have an accurate measure of how they're doing with their goals and so forth.
2) It seems like a huge pain in the ass for you to have to sort out all our payments based on processors.
3) Between the additional difficulties for models and for you, I think there's a higher likelihood of payment errors, and less chance of them being caught. (Not to suggest that you're prone to accounting errors, but you are a human, so stuff can happen.)
4) For models that choose to charge different rates for different processors, their profiles are going to look more cluttered.
5) The same models will have trouble citing their rates to clients, because they'll have to ask a bunch of questions about how he's going to pay before they can even tell him the cost of a show.
6) Customers will be confused by models' different rates, or they'll pretend to be confused and just pay the lesser amount, or they'll whine and complain. They might also pull a bait and switch, getting the rate from the model by saying that they're paying with a Visa, and then actually paying with the more expensive method. Upon seeing the confirmation email, the model would have a lot of grief as she tries to make him pay the difference, while he whines about rip-offs.
I think with option 2, you can just stick a note on the payment form, like "Payment Options: Visa, Mastercard, Discover, [whatever]* *additional processing fees apply." People are totally used to seeing additional charges at that part of the payment process anyway. If you were buying something online, that would be the part where they tell you about the shipping costs and the taxes. If you were buying pizza online, they would also mention the delivery fee and the tip for the driver. Frankly, at that point customers should be happy that there's only one additional "processing fee."
Just my![]()
Last edited by Magical_Hoohah; 03-13-2015 at 10:55 AM. Reason: typo
Originally Posted by temptingmodel
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