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    My three month savings goal was to save $8000 dollars by August 5 but that is pretty unrealistic considering its about to be summer time and the clubs about to slow down. So I think I'm gonna change it to 3000. Anybody have any savings goals?

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    I always have goals! In my experience it is way to early to decrease your goal. Go for it! In this industry anything can happen. Most of the time effort in equals money out.

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    I don't have concrete savings goals -- they give me burnout. I just try to keep my spending at a reasonable level and let whatever's left over pile up.

    The most helpful trick I've found for increasing savings is asking yourself if whatever non-necessity you're about to purchase will seriously improve the quality of your life. The answer is almost always no for me, so I usually put the item down or close the tab if I'm shopping online no problem. But for me no object will ever beat the high of reassessing my savings and finding they're higher than I thought.

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    A brief history of my own savings goals ...

    Before I ever started dancing and camming, I was in a situation where I was supporting myself, providing for my son, and paying off my ex-husband's ( joint name ) debts based on my salary as a respiratory therapist. Because of this, despite my 'lifestyle' being rather frugal, virtually every dollar I earned was earmarked for rent, utility, groceries, new clothes for my son etc. This meant that virtually nothing was left over for savings, and that even less was left over for 'frivolous' spending.

    As a 'twist of fate' introduced me to dancing ... and the resulting much higher earnings potential ... for the first 18 months or so I 'rewarded' myself. I upped my 'lifestyle'. I allowed myself some 'frivolous' spending. However, after those 18 months an unexpected need for 'cash' came up ... and I then realized that, while I had allowed myself ( and my son ) to enjoy a 'better' lifestyle and some personal 'niceties', in point of fact I was not saving enough money to deal with the unpredictability of the present let alone the needs of the future. I also realized that, where this business is concerned, the 'window of opportunity' for high earnings potential is rather limited ... meaning that if I continued on my present course I was likely to find myself in financial difficulty ~10 years down the road as age, burnout, etc. inevitably reduced my earnings potential.

    From that point forward, I adopted an 'iron hand' approach to earnings and spending. This approach was based on the premise that dancing / camming / related earnings does NOT have to be an uncontrolled 'variable'. Or put another way, I realized that during 'slow' earnings seasons, it's entirely possible to still earn the same amount of money ... but it required that more time and effort be put forth on my part to do so.

    Following this approach, I first prepared a detailed budget of the 'essential' spending required to maintain a ( once again ) frugal lifestyle. I then prepared a budget regarding the amount of savings necessary to achieve my long term savings goals ( I.e. being able to 'retire' from the industry by age 40 ) - as well as my 'targeted' goals ( like buying a decent car, eventually buying a decent house ). I gave these budget items ABSOLUTE priority ... and would not spend one dollar on anything 'frivolous' until I had actually earned enough money in a given week to cover the 'cost' of those two priority items.

    Yes this meant that, during a 'slow' earnings season, it was necessary for me to work all 5 nights per week before I allowed myself to spend money on a restaurant meal. Yes this meant that, during a 'slow' earnings season, it was necessary for me to work all 5 nights per week before I could consider buying a new outfit. Sometimes it even meant that, to be able to earn more than the weekly 'minimum' necessary to cover the cost of my two priority items, it was necessary for me to 'hit the road' to work in areas where the seasonal earnings potential wasn't as 'slow'. This also incentivized me to 'invest in myself' to up my earnings potential as well as to 'diversify' into videos and featuring. But most importantly it meant that, week after week, month after month, year after year, I was able to pay all of my bills as well as contribute the necessary amount to my savings 'plan' to allow me to achieve my long term goals.

    After ~10 years worth of following this approach 'religiously', I own two 100% paid for houses ( one in NY and another down here way south of the border ), two 100% paid for cars, my son is graduating from a 'name' college with zero student loan debt, and I have built up enough of an investment 'nest egg' such that the ongoing passive income allows me to be able to fully 'retire' from this business ... and any other work / business.
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    My savings goal right now is £8000 by the end of August... that will give me enough to get my boobies/nose done and take 6 weeks off of work and go back with still some savings in the bank. I feel like with summer it's going to be a tall order though....

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    ^^^ there's always the option to increase your club time to 5 nights per week !

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    ^I'm hoping some very frugal living combined with a month of working 5 nights a week in either Spain or Sweden will allow me to get there! If worst comes to worst I will just have to settle on getting my boobs done for now and save the rhinoplasty for another six months, but I really hope I can get to my goal cause I'd rather just have both surgeries at once!

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    ^^^ if the breast implants you get are big enough, nobody will be looking at your nose !!! And the expected earnings increase should make it possible to go back for a nose job much sooner than the 6 months you anticipate !!! But, in keeping with this thread's topic, you will certainly SAVE money ... both on the costs of combined surgeries, as well as via a single 4 week stretch of 'recovery' time during which you won't be able to earn money dancing ... compared to two separate surgeries at two different times.

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    ^haha hopefully! That's why I'd like to get them both done at once, it would be a pain to have to go through a whole other surgery 3 months later and have to take another 6 weeks off... not to mention a huge waste of money saving for those 6 weeks off! it might be better to just put off both surgeries if I can't afford them both at the same time but I'm impatient and want those boobs! lol!

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    ^^^ yeah agreed. Every time you take a month off to recover after a surgery, this means not only direct lost earnings plus also 'battling' potential weight gain, having to 'repair the damage' of not being able to work out during that month, etc. ... as well as breaking any 'momentum' you have going with regular customers ... all of which can affect your potential earnings once you are able to return to dancing. I've been through this drill more times than I can remember, and I usually tried to combine as many procedures as possible into a single surgery + recovery. But there were some cases where I moved ahead to have my boobs redone without waiting to combine other procedures ( which I couldn't yet afford ) because I wanted to start 'cashing in' on the 'bigger tits means bigger tips' factor as soon as possible.

    On the financial side, clearly getting breast implants traditionally results in a significant increase in dancer earnings potential. However, where the nose is concerned, unless we're talking a Pinnochio scenario, the major plus is likely to be personal rather than professional. Thus, from a financial standpoint, putting off both surgeries until you can afford the combined cost does involve a 'lost opportunity' cost versus getting the breast implants ASAP and thus being able to bank additional earnings that much sooner.

    There's also a 'seasonal' issue to consider. Generally speaking, 'summer' season is typically slow for northern big city clubs ... due to vacations plus motivation to enjoy the outdoors before the snow returns. Thus the potential loss of dancing earnings involved by taking off a summer month for surgery to get your boobs done is likely to be less than the potential loss of dancing earnings you'll experience later by taking off a similar month during the busy fall / christmas season if you wait to have combined surgeries. In my own case I was able to mitigate this somewhat by travelling to dance in different areas where the 'summer' season is the busiest time of year thanks to vacation destination, tourism etc. I typically tried to schedule my own surgeries in early spring, which seemed to be 'slow' season throughout most of the USA thanks to taxes and Christmas bills lightening customer pockets etc.

    Hopefully your European 'road trips' will turn out to be very lucrative, thus you won't be financially constrained regarding moving ahead with simultaneous surgeries ASAP.
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    My savings goals for the summer are
    -pay off my (little) student loan
    -pay tuition outright for the summer
    -save at least five months of living expenses (in case I decide to do school full time in the spring)
    Hopefully I will be able to do this by August. After August I would like to settle into maintenance mode, make sure my tax forms and payment will be in order (going to start saving every receipt for education + work related expenses).

    I've been calculating like a crazy person and this is all actually doable. If I maintain my current earning pace I should be able to do it at three nights a week (my city's downtown actually picks up in the summer). Worst case scenario I have to do 5 crappy nights to maintain my quota. My expenses are extremely low and I'm working on reducing them even further (hopefully to under a thousand per month).

    One of my big motivating factors is that none of these goals is dire. My loan is subsidized, my tuition is manageable with just a vanilla job, and supporting myself has never been an issue. This makes earning a pleasure. When I feel desperate and pressured I become resentful and bitter.

    A few summers ago I was working ten shifts a week at two different restaurant jobs to keep afloat. I went in to the diner at 6:30 am and finished the back breaking sweeping and mopping by 4. At 5 I'd change clothes and start at the Italian place, staying on my feet 'til 10:30. My days off were the days I only worked a single shift. I kept a similar routine last year while going to school full time- there were no days off, only work, school, or both. It was never enough to do more than tread water and I always felt on the verge of a breakdown.

    Working 35 hours (unpaid lunch) in the public school system had me earning $300/week. That's working from 7:00am to 2 or 3 in the afternoon, no days off, no sick days, unpaid holidays- you're fucked during vacation times-as well as having to be completely mentally and physically engaged with 20+ young children, responsible for their well being, and under intense scrutiny.

    Even if I don't meet all my goals I'm ecstatic to have the luxury of dreaming them up at all. It's such a relief to not grub for every couple dollars- terrified I'll be short on rent or car insurance, wondering how far below empty my car or my body will still function. Even on a bad night I earn what I used to earn in a week. On a decent night I earn in 4 hours what it takes my partner, who just got a raise, 50 hours to make. I'm so freaking grateful this job has worked out for me, that I enjoy it, am good at it, even have potential to do better by going somewhere nicer.

    Sorry for ranting....just a little overwhelmed by how lucky I feel right now. I'm actually happy.

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    ^^^ congrats on your success so far. You certainly have your early priorities straight ...

    - get out of debt as quickly as you can
    - save money to be able to pay 'cash' for major expense items ( i.e. your tuition ) without having to incur additional debt
    - set aside ~6 months worth of living expenses as readily accessible 'cash' savings to cover unknown future eventualities

    From there you'll be ready to 'graduate' to the investment world as a home for your future 'surplus' dancing earnings.

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    Thanks Melonie- I can''t wait to search through every thread you've got on passive income

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    I got very good advice when I started working and it is what got me started: No matter what your money situation is now, put 10% of ANYTHING you make for the day, week, night, whatever away immediately into savings and DO.NOT.TOUCH.IT,. I did that for 1 year, then I went up to 15% for the next 3 years. It is a start. Just start putting away 10% of everything no matter what. It will put you in the saving mindset. Then saving will become so habitual you ywill be trained to save. Then you can expand higher in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AspiringCamGirl View Post
    I got very good advice when I started working and it is what got me started: No matter what your money situation is now, put 10% of ANYTHING you make for the day, week, night, whatever away immediately into savings and DO.NOT.TOUCH.IT,. I did that for 1 year, then I went up to 15% for the next 3 years. It is a start. Just start putting away 10% of everything no matter what. It will put you in the saving mindset. Then saving will become so habitual you ywill be trained to save. Then you can expand higher in the future.
    This is true. When I had my last vanilla job, I started out having them put 3% into my 401K (which they matched). My second year, I doubled it. I never saw it, so I didn't miss it.

    Now, I automatically put $100 into my IRA monthly, 1/3 into my emergency funds, and 1/3 of my total income into savings. The rest is my take home pay. This is how I've done it the past couple of years, and I just try to stick to those minimums.

    My new savings goal is $150-200 a week (out of my 'take home' pay) for my plastic surgery next year.

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    ^^^ not wanting to swing off-topic, but contributing money to an employer match 401K gov't sanctioned retirement plan is a 'no brainer' ... since the employer contribution is effectively 'free money'. However, contributing money to a Sep IRA is a bit of a calculated risk these days ... because there is no guarantee that the taxes being avoided this year will be higher than the taxes which will apply in the year you are old enough to withdraw the money. Similarly, in the far future, having the 'good judgement' to regularly contribute your own money to an IRA may only result in your Social Security and other gov't benefit payments being reduced ( because IRA withdrawls are considered to be additional taxable income in the future year they are actually withdrawn ). However, contributing to a Roth IRA ( which does not defer current year taxes, but also does not count as additional income when the money is withdrawn ) avoids this future potentiality.

    IMHO too many Americans utilize IRA's as a means to enforce financial discipline ... knowing that the early withdrawl penalties will incentivize them not to 'touch' this money. However, it's also possible to simply exercise your own financial discipline !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    My savings goal right now is £8000 by the end of August... that will give me enough to get my boobies/nose done and take 6 weeks off of work and go back with still some savings in the bank. I feel like with summer it's going to be a tall order though....
    As of present have £3000 saved towards surgery... still trying to get to £8000 just so I have money in the bank, even though I'm putting off my nose job until January.

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    ^^^ very good progress ... and especially so given that summers tend to be slow in large northern cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    As of present have £3000 saved towards surgery... still trying to get to £8000 just so I have money in the bank, even though I'm putting off my nose job until January.
    Now at £6000, think I'm actually going to make my goal! Sorry guys but I have no one else to brag to! I love saving money for goals, I can't just say "I'm gonna save and invest" but when I have a goal I become obsessive about it!

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    ^^^It sounds like your 'on course' regarding personal financial situation leading up to your BA !!! Congrats.

    Also your 'obsession' with saving money and following a personal financial plan ( and schedule ) is the true secret of lifelong financial security IMHO at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ yeah agreed. Every time you take a month off to recover after a surgery, this means not only direct lost earnings plus also 'battling' potential weight gain, having to 'repair the damage' of not being able to work out during that month, etc. ... as well as breaking any 'momentum' you have going with regular customers ... all of which can affect your potential earnings once you are able to return to dancing. I've been through this drill more times than I can remember, and I usually tried to combine as many procedures as possible into a single surgery + recovery. But there were some cases where I moved ahead to have my boobs redone without waiting to combine other procedures ( which I couldn't yet afford ) because I wanted to start 'cashing in' on the 'bigger tits means bigger tips' factor as soon as possible.

    On the financial side, clearly getting breast implants traditionally results in a significant increase in dancer earnings potential. However, where the nose is concerned, unless we're talking a Pinnochio scenario, the major plus is likely to be personal rather than professional. Thus, from a financial standpoint, putting off both surgeries until you can afford the combined cost does involve a 'lost opportunity' cost versus getting the breast implants ASAP and thus being able to bank additional earnings that much sooner.

    There's also a 'seasonal' issue to consider. Generally speaking, 'summer' season is typically slow for northern big city clubs ... due to vacations plus motivation to enjoy the outdoors before the snow returns. Thus the potential loss of dancing earnings involved by taking off a summer month for surgery to get your boobs done is likely to be less than the potential loss of dancing earnings you'll experience later by taking off a similar month during the busy fall / christmas season if you wait to have combined surgeries. In my own case I was able to mitigate this somewhat by travelling to dance in different areas where the 'summer' season is the busiest time of year thanks to vacation destination, tourism etc. I typically tried to schedule my own surgeries in early spring, which seemed to be 'slow' season throughout most of the USA thanks to taxes and Christmas bills lightening customer pockets etc.

    Hopefully your European 'road trips' will turn out to be very lucrative, thus you won't be financially constrained regarding moving ahead with simultaneous surgeries ASAP.
    I disagree. I danced for 9 years with b boobs and a sarah jessica parker nose. I was still a top earner back then but my nose definitely made me the most uncomfortable. I got my nose done 2 years before my boobs and my confidence grew and in turn I made more. the boobs have never been a big deal to me. I still would have been a top girl without them. I owned 3 houses before I had boobs so. I'd do what's going to give you the most confidence. Also had high double digit savings by 2 years in the business. I see a lot of girls here say they make so much money but have no savings, have to save up for a boob job? You girls need to get to financial planner asap. I went at 22 with 25 grand and doubled my monyey in 5 years. Or you need to live below your means. If you've been dancing for 3-5 years , have no children ,don't own a home and have roomates you should have quite a bit of savings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AspiringCamGirl View Post
    I got very good advice when I started working and it is what got me started: No matter what your money situation is now, put 10% of ANYTHING you make for the day, week, night, whatever away immediately into savings and DO.NOT.TOUCH.IT,. I did that for 1 year, then I went up to 15% for the next 3 years. It is a start. Just start putting away 10% of everything no matter what. It will put you in the saving mindset. Then saving will become so habitual you ywill be trained to save. Then you can expand higher in the future.
    this is good advice! I always just put everything I made in the bank and paid out what I needed which back then my bills were likw 1000 a month. If a dancer does this then she should be able to save 20-30 grand a year. I don't know why so many girls here dont have bank accounts. That's where every penny should go until you have enough to invest.

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    I disagree. I danced for 9 years with b boobs and a sarah jessica parker nose. I was still a top earner back then but my nose definitely made me the most uncomfortable. I got my nose done 2 years before my boobs and my confidence grew and in turn I made more. the boobs have never been a big deal to me. I still would have been a top girl without them
    This is an ongoing topic of controversy. I can only relate my own experiences, where each of the 4 times I had my boobs redone after I started dancing I also experienced a significant increase in income. Granted that there are a bunch of case by case variables which may affect different girls differently.


    I see a lot of girls here say they make so much money but have no savings, have to save up for a boob job? You girls need to get to financial planner asap. I went at 22 with 25 grand and doubled my money in 5 years. Or you need to live below your means. If you've been dancing for 3-5 years , have no children ,don't own a home and have roomates you should have quite a bit of savings.
    Again, there are a bunch of individual variables which may affect different girls differently. Lately there seems to be a fairly large contingent of SW girls who are using their dancing and/or camming earnings to pay for college tuition. While the 'value' of investing large amounts of money into a college education may be somewhat questionable these days, college tuition payments can certainly soak up a bunch of earnings in a hurry ! Also, there seems to be another contingent of SW girls who decide how many nights they will work next week based on how much money they actually need to make ends meet next week. I'm not sure what drives that approach ( study time ? family commitments ? ), but for sure it tend to preclude saving and investing.

    Coming at this aspect from another direction, there also appears to be a mindset that views exotic dancing and/or camming as a 'temporary' means toward a particular end, as opposed to a 'serious, professional' career. That mindset automatically de-emphasizes seeking maximum earnings potential ( both in terms of changing locations and in 'hours worked' ), and de-emphasizes saving and investing ... sometimes to the point of having insufficient savings to cover the tax liabilities on said dancing and/or camming income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michele11 View Post
    I see a lot of girls here say they make so much money but have no savings, have to save up for a boob job? You girls need to get to financial planner asap. I went at 22 with 25 grand and doubled my monyey in 5 years. Or you need to live below your means. If you've been dancing for 3-5 years , have no children ,don't own a home and have roomates you should have quite a bit of savings...
    You have no idea what anyone else's financial situation is Michelle, whether they've had to take extremely long periods off from dancing in which time they've gone through all the savings they had built up during that period, whether or not they've had to pay high tuition bills or medical bills or take care of a sick relative or anything else, whether they've had experiences that have drained them of their savings.... that's awesome that you managed to save up your money in all that time, but not everyone has that luxury of working solidly for 3-5 years and making a consistent earning every single week and being able to save it all. The judgment is not cool and not appreciated from my end, anyway....

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    You you always seem to think everyone is signaling you out. But yeah if your on here talking about making 1000 a shift but you have to save up for shit than somethings wrong...i took years off from dancing. I have a daughter as well, never had a roomate, also only work like 80 shifts a year for the last 8 years because I'm too sick to get out of bed from my implants. So sorry. I believe what melonie aluded to and what I've seen for years....The majority of dancers work for just enough to pay their bills and yes I can say this. I"ve seen how lazy entertainers are over the last 20 years in and out of the business and travel with many girls over the years and with the exception of one could care less what kind of savings they have as long as they can pay their bills. again I'm not speaking of you. If you take offence to what my experiences have been with most entertainers then that's your issue.

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