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    Default Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    I just saw this article today via techcrunch this is really sad. http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/17/wep...ntent=FaceBook

    I have heard women getting their accounts banned from dating sites due to having porn and camming jobs, as well as having higher interest rates on credit cards do to porn.

    This woman has a job just like any other woman but unfortunately fell ill and was looking for help. It's incredibly sad that she is being targeted just for having a porn career.

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    Seeing as she didn't directly state she was going to exchange adult content for donations, she could easily sue... I know I would.

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    They all suck. Okaypay WePay Paypal the entire lot of em. But now its starting to get out more how much they suck for adult workers. This is why you have to make your fundraising 100% vanilla. Different pics, emails, twitter, facebook etc etc. I know many of us have more of a following in the adult world. But those venues don't like us. Only in the beginning when they need our business to start up. Once they take off they drop us like a bad habit. You would be better off taking tips and tributes through sites indy sites or camsites that allow tips while logged off.

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    I don't feel like she's being targeted for having a porn career. She basically used their site to sell porn. It doesn't really matter that she called them "donations."

    They don't want naked pictures or porn being exchanged for money on their website. I can't fault them that. It's even spelled out specifically in their terms of service.

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    According to the article one of her "retweeters" made the exchange for nudy pics. But because of that association they pulled it.

    Sorry correction she retweeted the offer made by another person. I hope she gets what she needs to get well. We just have to be careful considering the circumstances.

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    Retweets are not necessarily endorsements, so to see a 3rd party's tweet and jump to "she's selling adult content via this site" is ridic. I've been following this since yesterday and I'm so angry about what she's been through - this is the full story: http://kittystryker.com/2014/05/not-...den-alexander/ Includes a list of other fundraisers who've blatantly broken WePay's rules but been allowed to fundraise with no issues.

    Btw CrowdTilt has since offered to host her fundraiser and the amount raised is WAY over target now. Yay.
    It's always upsetting as hell when I see that people are forced to seek help to pay for medical care. So glad we have the NHS here.
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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    As far as I can tell it does look like she violated the TOS. A supporter offered to send nude pictures in exchange for contributions to the fund... I can't imagine what was going through her head when she retweeted that. It is an endorsement in a way--it shows approval and the intent to help more people see that tweet. If someone put up your Paypal info and offered to send nudes in exchange for people sending money to you would you retweet that? Of course not.

    Not saying that she hasn't been targeted because she's in the adult industry--she definitely has, I doubt that they would have done this if she'd violated the TOS in a less ~scandalous manner--but they didn't shut down her fundraiser because she's been in porn, they shut it down because by retweeting that offer she was essentially using it as an adult payment processor.

    I'm sure she didn't think of it that way when she did it (sounds like she has enough on her mind) but it just goes to show how careful we have to be.

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    I just posted this nonsense over in Other Work, and holy crap, thank you ladies for being on this ball already. (RedAlice, thanks for further linkage.)

    I am annoyed to hell at this nonsense. Paypal, Chase Bank, fuck all y'all. It ticks me off beyond words when companies waste time and resources penalizing legitimate, legal exchange. Why do you hate money!?!?

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    ^ They're not doing this for no reason. I stopped following the bank thing a while ago so IDK what happened with that but as far as payment processors go they can't just accept any payment they want. From what I gather adult work carries with it a HUGE risk of chargebacks which cost them money and a lot of trouble. Some of them have decided it's not worth it to them and that's their right. It's inconvenient for us but if they're big enough to make their money without taking risks like that why should they?

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    It's not like it's a charity, though, they're making money on this. Accounts and transactions aren't free, and I think the industry has a bigger problem than tits and ass if there are billions of dollars of chargebacks racking up. Then again, full disclosure, I'm also the type of business owner who thinks writing off payroll is bullshit. To my mind, if you can't afford the cost of doing business, you don't do business. I'm a little to the left of libertarian on this; pay your fucking goddam taxes, because I hate potholes. To me, this is all lumped together in that kind of thinking. I honestly think I'd feel better about it if they (WePay, Paypal, Chase, etc) had an awesome hit rate for tracking/halting monies used in eluding paying taxes. Which, to my knowledge, they don't.

    At the end of the day, it's the fact that legal, adult transactions are generally by default excluded by most TOS that pisses me off - I think that's dumb.
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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    Tricky one.

    My personal opinion on this is that since forever, people that work within the porn industry or not always accepted by society and it comes with "risks" so they think. WePay have a right to set whatever TOS they want, it's their company and if they don't want our money then we should be happy to take it elsewhere and stick with payment companies who will and do take us on board.

    Also bare in mind Wepay would have a merchant account with another company and if they are strict on dealing with "porn funds" then wepay run the risk of losing their merchant account which is their entire business, so I can see why they wouldn't want to run that risk.

    For any of these pay companies to take sex workers payment processing on, it requires them to have the difficulty and funds to find a merchant who will accept them, plus they have to pay higher % fees on EVERY transaction porn related or not.

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    Default Re: Crowd funding platform denies woman medical fundraiser because of porn.

    They're not doing this for no reason. I stopped following the bank thing a while ago so IDK what happened with that but as far as payment processors go they can't just accept any payment they want. From what I gather adult work carries with it a HUGE risk of chargebacks which cost them money and a lot of trouble. Some of them have decided it's not worth it to them and that's their right. It's inconvenient for us but if they're big enough to make their money without taking risks like that why should they?
    Lately, the 'trouble' is being caused by the FDIC who declared all 'adult' businesses to categorically represent a high risk for banks, and the D of J who is pressuring banks behind the scenes to stop doing business with 'adult' industry related customers if they want to avoid potential investigations and potential 'money laundering' charges.

    See ... especially 'Operation ChokePoint'

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