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    Hey ladies,

    I'm just wondering what some topics are that your bring up when doing a VIP/CRs that are NOT centered around dancing. I'm used to doing VIPs that were back to back lap dancing so it was more of a physical experience for the customer... now I'm doing air-dance VIPs and you can really only fill up so much of an hour with an air-dance that requires a 3 foot rule. I feel like it's more of an emotional experience for the customer and I'm struggling with it. I've had a couple customers criticize me for asking them too many questions.

    I usually talk to them about where they're from-- if they're European I always make up some bullshit about how I'm going to visit that country and what should I do there, if they're British I talk about the difference between America and England/Scotland/Ireland/Wales. I ask them what they do for a living but no one ever wants to talk about that unless it's something fun and those customers are broke and don't spend money (i.e. actors, writers, artists, etc). I ask them what their favorite place they've traveled to is, if they've ever been to America and if they have if they liked it and where they went. And then I'm kind of stuck. I always try to keep the conversation more focused on them and not focused on me.

    Occasionally I'll get a customer who I just have an easy rapport with and it's not an issue, but that's probably only a third of the time. I use a lot of body language when speaking to them and I've noticed that helps, but there are definitely a lot of times where I'm like fuck, I don't know what to say to this person... and the worst is when it's a customer who can barely speak English. With them I sometimes ask them to teach me words in their language but OMFG that shit is boring and annoying, even though they seem to enjoy it.

    What are some good topics to bring up in the CR to keep them wanting to extend?

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    They always ask about my tattoos. If they want the FULL story that's at least an hour. (+tips)
    If they actually want to talk I've had gym rats compare biceps with me. A couple want to talk about my pets. Most of them just like being smothered. When you get your tits you'll see the difference. Trust me you won't be asking these kinds of questions.
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    ^The thing is, contact is very strict here. Even with with my A/B boobs I could easily shut a customer up for 5-10 mins just by shoving them in their face back in CA. But that's not an option here, if I'm within 3 feet of the customer I've got to have a bra on. I try to stretch out the dancing as long as possible, but they tend to get bored with an air dance if it goes past 10 minutes. I mean, it's not the most exciting thing in the world, and it is fucking EXHAUSTING to air-dance for 10 minutes, it's not like giving a lap dance, I mean you're leaning around on your feet, sticking your butt out, etc... I had a rowdy group of Irish boys who demanded I dance for 30 minutes straight and after twenty I almost fell over I was so exhausted.

    Honestly, I'm sick of talking to these fuckers. I would rather just shove my boobs in their face!

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    Oh shit lol. I admire your resilience then. I'd starve in a no contact environment. My tits are my strength and my only selling point lol. Sigh. I think I've become really dependent on my tits. They are literally my survival tools. I'm a top predator to be sure, but you take me out of my little oasis of comfort I'm fucked. At least I admit my limitations.
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    Movies? Music? Sports? Those are fairly safe topics that can get a customer going if they're really into them. Maybe there's a shared interest for Tarantino movies, or he's really into the latest movie that came out. With music, maybe you can bond over his favourite band or who puts on the best show if he's really into live music. With sports, what games are coming up or just happened, any tournaments? Festivals (be they music or film or whatever) are often good if someone is excited about them. Of course, this requires staying up to date on what's going on around town and in all those subjects so you can bullshit just enough to keep him talking -- that's really the end goal, get HIM talking so that the hour rushes by and he still has so many thoughts to get out that he just has to extend for another hour.

    My go-to questions: "Seen any good movies lately? What kind of music are you into? Have you caught any games?" Obviously not all once, but peppered throughout the initial conversation until you touch on something that gets him talking. Those are very easy to expand upon too to find that sweet conversation spot.

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    You're educated too, so I'm sure you have an encyclopedia's worth of knowledge, lots of opinions, and fab critical thinking skills. I draw on those skills to have conversations with customers about all kinds of things! For example, I have a good customer who loves to talk to me about politics (just be sure to gauge his opinions before expressing "your" opinions) and different cuisines of the world. I've spent hours in VIP discussing gay rights, the American political system, turkish delight, Iranian ice cream vs. gelato, and French cooking techniques with him. Just to name a few topics.

    I once also nabbed an excellent customer who was trying to talk me up by bragging about sailing his yacht to Vanuatu. I smiled and said, "Oh, cool! You know, I've always wanted to go to the Solomon Islands. Did you happen to stop there?" His mind was blown. I used to do an hour or two whenever I saw this guy, talking about, like, Emily Dickinson I think? and he would tip me in $50s on top of the dance money. But then he stopped coming in after I refused to see him OTC, sad.

    But yeah. I find if you're just generally educated and well-informed, you can ask questions to figure out what the customer wants to talk about. Then take it from there.

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    Thanks guys, those are all good topics. I think I partly need to start doing some more stuff outside of the club so I have something to talk about! I'm very out of touch when it comes to stuff like movies and music and whatnot.

    I like your ideas Kaninchen. I used to have the best regular who was a TV writer and we used to do 3+ hour VIPs talking about different television shows, writing difficulties, what we were both working on, etc. I had tons of customers like that in LA but most of the customers at my club now are businessmen and my knowledge is really more centered in the arts. I mean, I can talk pretty knowledgeably about American politics but I don't even understand the difference between the conservative and the labor party, lol! Whenever American customers come into my club my conservations flow so much more easily with them. I think perhaps a good way to go though would be to ask them questions about it so they feel like they're educating me? I know some customers love that.

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    There is this book called How to Talk to Anyone, which is really awesome! I read a lot of things that really helped me in that book. One of the things I learned is that it's usually pretty easy to figure out what someone wants to talk about from subtle clues while you're talking about (basically) mundane things. Then you can use "parroting" (repeating some of what the person says) to keep them going on for a while. Example:
    Customer: Did you do anything fun over the long weekend?
    Me: No, just stayed at home and relaxed, mostly. What did you do?
    Cust: Nothing, really. I didn't go anywhere. I went out one night for a couple hours and played (some random bar game I can't even remember) with a few friends, that was basically it.
    Me: (Random bar game)?
    Cust: Yeah, we play every week. We have teams set up.
    Me: Teams?
    Cust: Yeah (Blah blah blah, launches into a whole description of how the team setup works for this game, how the scoring works, etc. etc.)

    This technique usually works for me, and hopefully by the time he's finished rambling on about whatever it was that he was talking about, you've picked up another clue that you can use to continue on your "conversation."

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    ask open ended questions. i usually stick to travel. instead of just asking if they liked visiting a place, ask "oh, what's that like? i've always wanted to go" and go on from there. "whats the food/people/weather like?" and then go into nightlife/alcohol. ask if they went to strip clubs, ask how the regular bars are, what kinds of alcohol are usually served. like for japan, "i get sushi all the time here, is it the same over there? do they serve the same type of sake?"

    and then basically just pray that one of those questions gets them going. its frustrating when they give you short answers but if you ask enough follow up questions they will eventually give in and start talking.

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    ^that's what I hate, are the ones who give short answers and then say, "wow, you ask a lot of questions." Well, what do you want me to do, just sit here and stare at you for an hour? And if they give short answers and ask me nothing about myself... then I just want to die! I had a Swedish guy like that a couple weeks ago, he told his friend he liked me and his friend came up and said he was going to buy him a private room. I thought he was cheap-looking so assumed he would just do a half hour, but when the host came in she said he bought an hour... I was like OMFG how am I going to get through an hour with this guy? I did a lot of dancing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    ^that's what I hate, are the ones who give short answers and then say, "wow, you ask a lot of questions." Well, what do you want me to do, just sit here and stare at you for an hour? And if they give short answers and ask me nothing about myself... then I just want to die! I had a Swedish guy like that a couple weeks ago, he told his friend he liked me and his friend came up and said he was going to buy him a private room. I thought he was cheap-looking so assumed he would just do a half hour, but when the host came in she said he bought an hour... I was like OMFG how am I going to get through an hour with this guy? I did a lot of dancing!
    trust me, they all give in eventually! but yeah sometimes its so painful trying to drag anything out of them. when im out of questions i just make up slutty stories. "oh youve been to italy? i went there for my bffs bachelorette party and we got kicked out of the beach because we were naked!!! we thought all european beaches were clothing optional, how were we supposed to know??" giggle giggle

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    if i'm already in VIP, i'll ask some sexual questions and that seems to get more of a response than my normal bland " so, what do you do for work?" opening banter.

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    ^lol I love that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamsInDigital View Post
    There is this book called How to Talk to Anyone, which is really awesome!
    This book is great! I'd highly recommend it to anyone! I'm only halfway through and I've already gotten a lot of great tips!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    if i'm already in VIP, i'll ask some sexual questions and that seems to get more of a response than my normal bland " so, what do you do for work?" opening banter.
    yes this is what I do, talk about sex and sexy stuff, just ask what they are into, what's their fantasies, if they are married ask them if he would consider swinging, tell some of your own stories, make them up, you can even play some kind of spin the bottle kind of game, also if you are good at telling jokes, memorize a few good dirty ones, ultimately the guys are there to relax and have fun so just keep it light and fun, they dont want to feel as if they are being interviewed make them laugh

    another thing I sometimes do is ask for their advice on something personal, (obviosuly it doesnt have to be a true personal matter) I say I feel so comfortable with him, that I can trust him because he doesnt know anyone in my real life or something like that, basically make him feel as if there is a connection, that you trust him

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    AudreyK, if some of your business customers are bankers / brokers, you might want to swing discussions toward the topic of investments. Your customers may inadvertently drop a couple of useful 'tips' !!!

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    My primary topic of conversations with customers - food. I LOVE food, men love food, and men love women that can cook. For me; this is financially a win/win, as well as enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    AudreyK, if some of your business customers are bankers / brokers, you might want to swing discussions toward the topic of investments. Your customers may inadvertently drop a couple of useful 'tips' !!!
    This is best done when acting ditzy, like "I save allllll of the money I can from dancing, but I just have no idea what to do with it! Investing is sooooo confusing. What do you think I should do?"

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