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    Default Madness - as it relates to your income and tolerance.

    My thoughts after browsing this forum and especially this thread:


    You can search high and low for other sites to migrate to when your current site stops panning out for you but until the powers that be (we the performers) make the decision to be unified as a group to keep this industry financially viable, migrating is pointless. We turn the other cheek when models and studios take advantage of their freedom to make independent decisions on what constitutes a hustle without regard to policy on a site that doesn't police itself. The same policies are being broken time and time again, then, we the power, straight up refuse to 'out' those who treat this industry like their personal toilet.


    Last night I came home from the club and the first thing I did was turn on my computer to check my tags and was immediately was drawn to a profile pic on the similar models part of my page. I clicked on it, and there's a girl from Latvia with a dildo in her mouth, pussy lips spread wide and she was pissing in her bed. There were over 130 watchers in her free chat. No one was talking and not a single tip was given. She never spoke a single word. Viewers made requests and she did what they requested. Sick to death, I clicked a profile pic from the similar models portion of her page into a Colombian owned chat room where a girl in sheer pantyhose was fucking her dildo and begging for tips that never came. Then I click over to page 1, row 1 and there's a couple, fucking in free chat. Then we wonder why Mr Billionaire of Arabia who drives a gold plated Bentley, who logs into our chat room with his dick in his hand, doesn't speak and waits for his show, has no intention of opening his wallet because he knows if he's around long enough or surfs long enough, he's going to see what he's looking for. The sad thing is, he isn't aware of token based or competing sites yet, he only knows of SM. The way we handled him as a potential spending customer was just fail. Epic fail.


    Moving to a different site because you think you want to be hidden from free chat isn't going to solve a damn thing. Correcting the problem that is making you want to be hidden will. When you are making money, you are happy with the site you are on, be it with or without free cam and chat. SM is still able to out perform every token based site but it's going down hill and at a rapid rate because the site owners consider free advertising to be good at generating traffic, mind you, we're paying 65% of our income to do that for us. We are allowing it to happen when we tolerate the CRAP that is going on in many free chats right now. When we don't call out, embarrass and ban the performers and studios who are raping our incomes without any thought to those who respect them enough to not call them out, there's a major imbalance. Fuck respect. I'm sick of respect. Respect is clearly not working. Bad performers are drawing in bad traffic. Bad performers are conditioning viewers, they do not have to pay.


    To the girl who said she used to be able to make $800 and is now making $200, you are not alone. I used to average $750 to $850 on 10 hours of cam time. That was two years ago. Last year I was averaging $450 to $600. This year I am averaging $300 but have absolutely no shortage of traffic. The difference between then and now is the amount of silent lurkers who log in with their dick in hand and wait for their show to start. They don't have to pay anymore because on any given hour, day, night, week, month, there's at least 400 carbon copy girls putting on free shows with the same cam set up as the next, the same toys, the same ass clap and rubs her tits exactly the same way as everybody else -- madness

    Here's my question. Why do you respect those who rape our earning potential and refuse to call them out? They clearly don't have any respect for you. At what point does your livelihood have to be affected before this rule is overlooked as conveniently as the policies these bad performers overlook common sense business practices?

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    I'm not sure why the nationality of the cam chicas is relevant, it's not like all western-based chicas are ardent followers of site rules

    my advice to chicas who are struggling to adapt to free chat rule-breakers and/or sites that are allowing this would be to cater to the guys who are bored by free chat group sex shows. there are tons of em-personlized one on one attention is the most valuable commodity we offer.

    beyond that, I really think long term success in camming is about the ability to innovate and adapt to changing conditions. that holds true no matter what any other given performer is doing in front of her cam and no matter what style of camming one practices. I'd suggest that focusing on that would probably be more productive than expending time and energy 'calling out' rule-breakers

    just my two cents, worth exactly that. wishing everyone a wicked $$$$$ weekend

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    Default Re: Madness - as it relates to your income and tolerance.

    Very eloquently written Penny. Sadly this is the way it is. God forbid you call anyone out on it YOU get fired upon by EVERYONE. But my thinking is that sadly in alot of other countries these girls are a dime a dozen and are flooding the market. Maybe it's just their way of soliciting prostitution. I mean really if they're not hustling for tips and holding out on the show until they get them then what the fuck are they doing?
    If the company doesn't want to police it's site then they just don't care. Trying to unite cam models is like trying to unite any other sex workers. Not going to happen. It's a nice though that we would all be held to the same standards though. I masturbate to that thought quite frequently.
    But if they have a show all/ do all in free chat and they live in a country where they can get by on (throwing out a trivial number) $20 bucks then at some point some guy will give them a buck until they get their 20. If not my guess is they would drop out.

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    Default Re: Madness - as it relates to your income and tolerance.

    Quote Originally Posted by pennycam View Post
    Here's my question. Why do you respect those who rape our earning potential and refuse to call them out? They clearly don't have any respect for you. At what point does your livelihood have to be affected before this rule is overlooked as conveniently as the policies these bad performers overlook common sense business practices?
    I personally love the girls who charge an insane amount less then me and give it all away. I don't call them out simply because they are helping me out. Since they choose to charge so little and give away so much for free it allows me to 'build my value' simply by charging way more then they do and refusing to do anything at all for free.

    So in summary, I guess I just don't see the situation in the same light that you do. In my experience men are both fascinated and captivated with a women who refuses to bend over backwards to please --- especially on a site full of women who normally will jump through any hoop without question.
    Last edited by justanothercamgirl; 05-26-2014 at 01:34 AM. Reason: 4:30 am. I really should go to sleep.

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    I love sm and I charge what makes me the most I charge lower than some but not on the dollar menu what does it matter if I charge 1 a minute that's my biz and my bills not anyone elses. I wouldn't do that but u r going to have extras girls on all cam sites in all strip clubs it happens it is never going away it has been here since the beginning. We will never stop it I charge gold for tits and ass have never showed any more than that and won't but as long as I get my 5 gold so what if the next girls vag is on screen I am not reporting it sm knows and if they want they will do something about it and I think they will eventually crazy down on things like that.
    If not oh well those girls do not hurt my income one bit and those girls are NOT the reason it gets slow on sm in my opinion.
    Sm is not going downhill they have been around since 03 and are doing nothing but improving.
    Some like sm some don't and yes some may have made 500 a day before I used to make close to that dancing and then got about 60 a night on a bad night but as long as we are paying our bills and getting by then we are okay.If sm is not providing a liveable income and I mean by that that your bills are getting cut off or other things then try somewhere else or find a good vanilla job that will get u by till u find a career or new site that suits u.Streamate is not going to work for everyone. Noone likes working hard while others give it away but u know what they are the ones who are going to lose not us as long as we gain then it should not bother us what others do. If we work more or harder we will get what we want. Those girls can do what they want to do and show pussy all day because we cannot stop them it has been proven for ages. I danced at a club and told on a girl cause she was getting fingered the manager said we need a few dirty girls to get more customers and that was in a way true because as long as there is a chance that a guy can get an extra hes gonna come looking for that girl if she is not there he will try another and even if that girl does not do extras at least she did make money. That girls customer came in and dropped 300 on me and told me how good of a conversation I made and that he like extras and convo and the other chick did not have the convo
    We will never know why some sites do what they do just as we will never know if aliens exist its not my prob if a chick flashes her cooch cause I got my goal and I will put in more than the average hours to get it why?? Because it all evens out for me
    Ty

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    although you make good points and that i think there are other issues why these guys are lurking too. for example, girls on SM prices have got higher to compensate for the 35% they take home. i see a lot of girls charging $7.99 and up. this is a lot of money to pay per minute. and the chica's charging less $ per min aren't very enticing, they are like you said clones of each other and their hustle is shit in that they give it for free. girls are kind of forced to charge these high prices in order to make good $. but on other websites like MFC and Chaturbate for example it is a static $3 per minute private show. For me on adultwork.com I charge $3.20 per minute and take home $2.08 of it. theres absolutely no1 naked and dildoing on freechat in adultwork.com and as for people lurking in freechat I turn that shit off and I make good money. also you say that mr arab emirate with his gold bars doesn't know about anything other than SM, well actually in dubai pornsites are BANNED it is strictly aginst they're religion laws and it is very very very hard for them to get an arab emirates credit card onto a site that deals in Porn. in Dubai they block your cards from these websites. so even if he did want to pay you, he probably physically can't or is too affraid of being caughty and embarrassed to his family. i had a very loyal very rich Arab customer for a few years and he had to jump through hoops and barrels and use proxy after proxy to get tokens onto porn sites.

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