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    When a custie tells me "Well so and so does this, why don't you?" I assume he's lying or living on the outside of the scenario. Meaning he has never gone through with it. He's just testing me to see what I do and is simultaneously jacking off one handed typing in chat. Don't take them seriously. Like someone already said they rarely go through with it. The mere discussion of meetups in your free chat room is just him getting off for free. It may look like so many girls are going through with it but really I suspect it's a small number in the scheme of things. I think the ones who are doing it probably aren't advertising it on camsites. I know it's frustrating, but don't let it mess with you too much.

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    I know the general consensus is that it's a bad idea, no matter how safe you think you're being. People worry about being killed, but it's really the sex trafficking industry you need to be worried about. Well organized cartels fund guys whose job is literally to charm girls into dropping their guard and then abducting them. Not to even mention people who meet a guy out of a freaking raffle. They have the money to enter any raffle and enter as many rafflesas they want. They prey on these girls. Don't. Do. It. You bringing your friend is just a extra bonus to them.

    The other thing I can say is this: Ted Bundy was a charming man who used his good looks and status to lure girls in and then kill and proceed to necroeroticize with their bodies until they decomposed. Ew. These guys objectify you every day, if you meet them shit can get very real. At any time there are 50 serial killers loose in the US at any time and almost all of them attack women in the sex trade. You may be an escort or a cam girl or a porn star but when you're dead, all the police see is another dead sex trade worker. Do you feel me?

    This tragedy is real and it happens to us more than any other demographic. Please do not think you can safely be in the presence of someone when they met you thinking with their dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    You have to look at it from both sides. Camming is for cam shows period. No offline meetings and we agree to that in our contracts. Escorting is for meeting people in person and such. So I understand if a cam performer is annoyed that people are blurring the lines. Meeting customers offline can make some of these men think we are all up for that and a lot of us aren't. I am more annoyed when you tell a customer no and they harass you.
    I both cam and escort. If my doing so ruins your career, that would be your problem, not mine. I have never signed a contract saying I wouldn't escort as long as I was camming. Never.

    I'm not making anyone think anything about you by doing what I choose to do with my own body. You set your boundaries and I'll set mine. It would be nice if we could just respect each other for that. It's bad enough sex workers get so much shit from people outside of the industry. I will never understand why some of you enjoy slinging it at each other so much.

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    I'm pretty sure Jane didn't actually say that your escorting is ruining her cam career. It sounds like you're putting words in her mouth.
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    What? I said I can see both sides of the story, nothing you do would effect me. No one cares if you do both but people were pointing out they don't want escorts trolling cam sites for customers. We all signed cam contracts that say NO EXCHANGING PERSONAL INFORMATION WITH CUSTOMERS. I also suggest you re-read postings before you single someone out that didn't even say what you are accusing them of.

    Sex workers do respect each other, they just don't respect ladies that can't seem to grasp rules and mess with their hustle.


    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    I both cam and escort. If my doing so ruins your career, that would be your problem, not mine. I have never signed a contract saying I wouldn't escort as long as I was camming. Never.

    I'm not making anyone think anything about you by doing what I choose to do with my own body. You set your boundaries and I'll set mine. It would be nice if we could just respect each other for that. It's bad enough sex workers get so much shit from people outside of the industry. I will never understand why some of you enjoy slinging it at each other so much.
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    Yep, I never said that. I said I can see both point of views. Some people on here like to twist words to suit their agenda.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    I'm pretty sure Jane didn't actually say that your escorting is ruining her cam career. It sounds like you're putting words in her mouth.

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    There are plenty of escorts who are also camgirls, I don't know what is the big deal if some escorts use camming as a way to get customers, but I agree that those creepy raffles like: "Let's spend the night together and have breakfast in bed but don't expect anything sexual" or "when I say that I am up for everything I mean anything and everything".

    The real problem is that cam sites like Myfreecams advertise in some sites for punters looking for escorts, so guys coming to the site through those ads may think that every girl escorts .Chaturbate's agreement says something like they don't recommend real meetings but if performers are up for that they need to be careful, there is a girl who broadcasts from the BunnyRanch and she is very open about what she does there and she hasn't been banned, so seems like these sites are cool about that.

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    I would think it violates the contract they signed and its illegal. If government agencies can find evidence cam sites are being used for escorting, they can shut the site down. They can shut any site down if they suspect illegal activities and no one has the right to put every other performer at risk of losing their job. They are two different businesses and need to be kept that way.

    I respect escorts and it's their choice to do what they want. However they also need to respect cam performers enough to not use the sites for that purpose. You can't complain sex workers don't support each other and then as a sex worker disrespect a whole group of fellow performers for having a different view than yours. People have different opinions on this subject and none of the opinions are wrong. Different things work for different people and no one should be annoyed by a different opinion.

    I agree the cam sites need to stop using performers images and video's for stupid dating sites or dating ad's. I also think a cam customer should be bright enough to realize a cam site is for cam shows only.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConnyLove View Post
    There are plenty of escorts who are also camgirls, I don't know what is the big deal if some escorts use camming as a way to get customers, but I agree that those creepy raffles like: "Let's spend the night together and have breakfast in bed but don't expect anything sexual" or "when I say that I am up for everything I mean anything and everything".

    The real problem is that cam sites like Myfreecams advertise in some sites for punters looking for escorts, so guys coming to the site through those ads may think that every girl escorts .Chaturbate's agreement says something like they don't recommend real meetings but if performers are up for that they need to be careful, there is a girl who broadcasts from the BunnyRanch and she is very open about what she does there and she hasn't been banned, so seems like these sites are cool about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    I would think it violates the contract they signed and its illegal. If government agencies can find evidence cam sites are being used for escorting, they can shut the site down. They can shut any site down if they suspect illegal activities and no one has the right to put every other performer at risk of losing their job. They are two different businesses and need to be kept that way.

    I respect escorts and it's their choice to do what they want. However they also need to respect cam performers enough to not use the sites for that purpose. You can't complain sex workers don't support each other and then as a sex worker disrespect a whole group of fellow performers for having a different view than yours. People have different opinions on this subject and none of the opinions are wrong. Different things work for different people and no one should be annoyed by a different opinion.

    I agree the cam sites need to stop using performers images and video's for stupid dating sites or dating ad's. I also think a cam customer should be bright enough to realize a cam site is for cam shows only.

    Sadly some of the customers aren't that bright.

    So far I've only had one customer truly creep me out wanting to meet me--seriously only after ONE private with him. That is when I was still saying the city I lived in, because it was hard to say a different city if a custie lived nearby my fake city and wanted to ask about that.
    I did have to learn-do not give out my location!!
    Just for safety--no private is worth that.
    I get freaked when guys get creepy--any guys FB "friends" guys I'm dating...acquaintances that I know...and the cam custie getting creepy thinking I'm his new girlfriend makes my skin crawl--really bad.
    Some customers are really lonely guys--or lacking in great social skills sometimes. Not thrilled with the promo to dating sites either--think it drains my valuable bubbly fun cam girl energy--making me a debbie downer sometimes. Not good--must always be fun on cam--or at least TRY to be FUN on cam
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    I totally understand not wanting escorting on a site which prohibits it, I'm 100% on board with that. Just as I don't want age play, pussy flashing, panty selling, fish swallowing, etc. happening on sites which don't allow those.

    But, for example, if I were to escort again I could either offer all my services on a site which allowed it (Adultwork) OR I could cam on SM but offer escorting under the same name independently, and promote both via my twitter. Note: escorting is legal in my country, so that's not a factor in my business. If nobody's judging escorting and just don't want it offered on a cam site where it's prohibited, that's cool right? Because I wouldn't be breaking any contracts, I'd be legal, and it'd be my business to run as I please. Like a hair salon offering manicures too. It all falls under the same umbrella.

    A lot of escorts can be really sensitive during discussions like this because yeah, they're horribly stigmatised even within the sex work industry. Consider the worst things people think about cam girls, then double it for sex workers who meet clients personally, add a whole bunch of "fake concern" for safety as if it's never occurred to run security checks, and a shit ton of victim blaming when a girl IS harmed at work. So please remember that MarvelGirl's words are coming from years of shit from society and from colleagues, I very much doubt she's trying to be malicious or start a disagreement, just reacting to a thread where escorts have been called idiots & nasty & it's been implied they're harming cam girls. (Not by you specifically Jane, I hasten to add.)


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    While I agree both jobs have their place in the world, I do not think escorting should be allowed on a camming site. I think (or hope) many of you agree. It's like many of us performers on cam go to an escorting site and start placing ads saying "hey it's safer if we just have cam sex, no STD's or worries, cheaper and I will get you off!" I think very much so that could harm some escorts work. I could see guys changing their minds, being persuaded often enough as it is.

    Also I believe that a cam site would be responsible for escorts taking up with their customers for real life meetings and money. Both jobs are separate entities.
    I don't want anyone here to get offended, but I would love to see camming just that again, camming.
    Camming is tiring enough without those guys that WILL name names of performers they have met and then beg all night/day or sadly until they are banned, which is a loss for the cam performer.

    The raffles and stuff, well... that is how the cam performers are making better money. If the guy meets up or not is another story, but I have seen the many profiles and changes in the past couple years with the influx of performers making bios for meetings with games, raffles or SEX on cam.

    If the customer is directed to another site I perhaps can understand better, at least he was not allowed to have a raffle meet with a performer, and is less likely to become spoiled looking for meetings with many performers will she is working cam. All he can do is ask for her FB, twitter etc. and go from there, but still.

    What this boils down to is web camming is for online sex and money.

    Ladies who escort I hope are safe and working with a company that screens customers, checks out backgrounds of the customer, cam site meetings you are on your own. We have males perving over us, thinking we are all about sex, sick fantasies about us etc. Scary shit, and he gets to meet us first fucking ourselves online for him!
    Scary shit.

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    But some sites DO allow it. I keep using Adultwork as an example. Fine, some don't, but some do because they're an adult website who offer multiple services. I agree with keeping services off cam sites which prohibit them. But some don't. And even if every site did, guys would still push their luck. Men think they're entitled to our bodies. THat shit happens. It doesn't just happen because escorts exist and occasionally cam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedAlice View Post
    But some sites DO allow it. I keep using Adultwork as an example. Fine, some don't, but some do because they're an adult website who offer multiple services. I agree with keeping services off cam sites which prohibit them. But some don't. And even if every site did, guys would still push their luck. Men think they're entitled to our bodies. THat shit happens. It doesn't just happen because escorts exist and occasionally cam.
    I am not saying that women who escort are now all over the cam sites. My original post was me being stunned by the cam performers offering raffles for meeting up or sex!
    I have looked at adultwork too. I like the site, I also see where it clearly states no Illegal activity allowed. If I sleep with a man for sex is that not Illegal, sure. But aside from that, that section kinda reminds me of CL when the 'adult' section was up before The Craigslist Killer was seeking out those who would meet up with him, and he would kill them. This site clearly is not based in the USA (I did not see much about where) but still, I was simply talking about the cam performers who are using cam as a means to bank it seems, while meeting up.

    This message has nothing to do with any one person. I understand, and adore all of us in the adult business! It's just kinda scary to read what I read on Adultwork. I may be getting ahead of myself here now, but you ladies should understand, this is coming from a cam performer not an escort. And may I ad who has been stalked by a guy in another country who went to great lengths to find my real name, home address and tell people in my cam rooms to come and visit me, while he did get arrested the case was dropped after over a year long process of screen shots, images, and more that he lied about and won! He threatened to kill me and another cam performer who I know well. My history has a lot to do with not understanding why I was singled out for a long time while other performers meet with men.
    So forgive me.

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    A date raffle does NOT mean sex, some of the girls who do it explain it quite clearly that it is just a dinner date & NOT sex.

    I personally life at men who ask about escorting when I am on cam. They make the most outrageous offers YET NEVER spend a single dime on me on cam or take me private. Come on, I got offered $100,000 for one night, yet the guy didnt tip me or take me private. If he could afford $100,000 then surely he can afford a cam show. 99% of these guys are ALL talk & NO money.

    Now, in the offline world, I don't date much but I do know a date doesn't guarantee any man sex with me no matter how expensive the meal was.

    Seen many top earners on MFC being very smart about the raffles. Stating the terms of flying the guy in & the girl pays for the dinner, for his hotel room for a night & how there is NO sex involved. How the guy gets a free vacation. Even though a guy may win, they may not be willing to turn over their real name to have the girl pay for the ticket & hotel room.

    There are plenty of men who will chip in a few dollars for more raffle tickets to get a real date to meet up with the girl in a safe manner.

    No need for accusations & tall tales when we don't know what happens. Cause what I don't see is men coming into those girls rooms bragging how he met & fucked the girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    Yep, I never said that. I said I can see both point of views. Some people on here like to twist words to suit their agenda.
    My only agenda is for sex workers to stop insulting each other under the guise of "concern" for having different boundaries.

    I'm very open about that agenda. If you don't want a vanilla person insulting you for what you do, don't turn around and do it to a fellow sex worker. A bunch of people on this thread should take that to heart.

    If we can't even be accepting and supporting of each other then we're shitty people and we deserve the stigma society places on us. I happen to think we're better than that but perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe this industry really is just full of shitty, bitchy hypocrites. That's very sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedAlice View Post
    But some sites DO allow it. I keep using Adultwork as an example. Fine, some don't, but some do because they're an adult website who offer multiple services. I agree with keeping services off cam sites which prohibit them. But some don't. And even if every site did, guys would still push their luck. Men think they're entitled to our bodies. THat shit happens. It doesn't just happen because escorts exist and occasionally cam.
    I'm pretty sure Adultwork started as an escort site, and then luckily for me they added everything else. X

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlodina View Post
    I'm pretty sure Adultwork started as an escort site, and then luckily for me they added everything else. X
    Yep! Escort directory first, then they upped their game and put their fingers in a fuckload of weird sexy pies.


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    As I first stated I read profiles! Raffles for SEX! Raffles for cam SEX! And sure there are date raffles. But when I clearly see raffles or highest tipper for the month wins a Cam sex date on the site, I know the difference. I am not judging, it's... well scary to read. I have stopped reading my friends profile or visiting her room because she always has a different guy and freely says she met him online on the cam site while offering up the goal reached = blowjob on cam. Call me old school.
    Raffle off what you all will, I have had raffles for phone sex calls through Google Voice myself.

    I am just old school and see the changes made in the cam world that are clearly aloud to do so, sex for the highest tipper! I wonder how far this will go and how this may harm earnings to those of us who only offer cam sex online in the future. Kinda like we had been clumping bamboo, and now we are jumping bamboo...odd way of saying this, but I am being polite out of respect.

    I like all of us in the adult industry, just tired of my fav. sites I work where the guys are begging so much and threatening at times if you do not meet. These guys I HAVE in my room are serious customers, I had to ban a few regulars who insist that we live close by and meeting would be great. Do NOT clog my room with the meeting up shit, they do NOT listen.

    You see I am angry at the customers ... no means no! But wish we did not have sex (and when the profile says sex, well, yea) for a certain amount to the performer.
    I see the changes, been slow coming on my side, but now I see an influx. No Illegal activities! I read that, but profiles say different. Sex for money is Illegal in the USA if not working out in Nevada, say for Dennis.

    Again I speak for me, my job, my earnings, my customers etc. I am not going to hate on anyone person. Won't happen.

    I made my point IF you read my original post I explain about SEX for tips! Not just a date raffle.
    As for adult work, I like the site, I may sign with them.... think I did years ago, not sure. We can all co-exist! I vented, I will get over it, don't get ME wrong. Read.

    Good day ladies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    A date raffle does NOT mean sex, some of the girls who do it explain it quite clearly that it is just a dinner date & NOT sex.

    I personally life at men who ask about escorting when I am on cam. They make the most outrageous offers YET NEVER spend a single dime on me on cam or take me private. Come on, I got offered $100,000 for one night, yet the guy didnt tip me or take me private. If he could afford $100,000 then surely he can afford a cam show. 99% of these guys are ALL talk & NO money.

    Now, in the offline world, I don't date much but I do know a date doesn't guarantee any man sex with me no matter how expensive the meal was.

    Seen many top earners on MFC being very smart about the raffles. Stating the terms of flying the guy in & the girl pays for the dinner, for his hotel room for a night & how there is NO sex involved. How the guy gets a free vacation. Even though a guy may win, they may not be willing to turn over their real name to have the girl pay for the ticket & hotel room.

    There are plenty of men who will chip in a few dollars for more raffle tickets to get a real date to meet up with the girl in a safe manner.

    No need for accusations & tall tales when we don't know what happens. Cause what I don't see is men coming into those girls rooms bragging how he met & fucked the girl.

    Sam
    And your right, who made accusation, I said I seen the SEX for highest tipper profiles. I also see a popular performer stating in her profile SEX on CAM to best tipper!
    Just read my postings. I made my point. I have no hate, or bad feelings towards any of us, I DO wish we could remain separate doing our jobs, of course! Why not?
    I don't say these ladies are professional escorts who raffle off sex! They had been cam performers who make much more money now and have fun with these guys and sex on cam. I speak of one of my friends who is doing this, I like her! I had to stop going into her room, ever get that gut feeling about a person you know?

    That's it. Thread is done as far as I am concerned. We are all adults here, and if we want to ignore rules so be it. NO Illegal activities, it's written in the TOS on every live site I have seen. Forget the dates, that are not sexual. We will never know now will we and it's not our business. But throwing it out there for sex, that's clear enough? 99% of the guys are no shows... not true, not at all! Never was true in the cam world. I could raffle off meetings weekly, I am not the only one, and I BET many will show!
    You ladies heard me. Lets move on. I can not find the emotion or words that mean honesty with us all being in this business together. I will not hate or toss around accusations. Not when you read it, see it and have watched it (a friends room) that is real. Not a tall tale.
    Damn lets not get our panties in a wad please over my seemingly crazy rant....

    Be safe first.

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    Thank you for this and I know you weren't singling me out. I would never judge anyone for escorting. I have no issue with it at all and I hope no one would think I look down on any escort. That's just sad to call a whole a group of people idiots or stupid. People think the same thing for pretty much anyone that works in the adult industry. I think the issue people have is when an escort or anyone uses the cam sites to meet men for sex and charge for it. Respect cam performers and sites enough to keep it off there if they prohibited it.

    I just want a cam site to be an actual cam site like you said. No break rules, guys that pay for shows, a fun free chat, etc. That would be amazing to experience again.

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    I totally understand not wanting escorting on a site which prohibits it, I'm 100% on board with that. Just as I don't want age play, pussy flashing, panty selling, fish swallowing, etc. happening on sites which don't allow those.

    But, for example, if I were to escort again I could either offer all my services on a site which allowed it (Adultwork) OR I could cam on SM but offer escorting under the same name independently, and promote both via my twitter. Note: escorting is legal in my country, so that's not a factor in my business. If nobody's judging escorting and just don't want it offered on a cam site where it's prohibited, that's cool right? Because I wouldn't be breaking any contracts, I'd be legal, and it'd be my business to run as I please. Like a hair salon offering manicures too. It all falls under the same umbrella.

    A lot of escorts can be really sensitive during discussions like this because yeah, they're horribly stigmatised even within the sex work industry. Consider the worst things people think about cam girls, then double it for sex workers who meet clients personally, add a whole bunch of "fake concern" for safety as if it's never occurred to run security checks, and a shit ton of victim blaming when a girl IS harmed at work. So please remember that MarvelGirl's words are coming from years of shit from society and from colleagues, I very much doubt she's trying to be malicious or start a disagreement, just reacting to a thread where escorts have been called idiots & nasty & it's been implied they're harming cam girls. (Not by you specifically Jane, I hasten to add.)
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    No one did that at all. What they said was they didn't want escorts or cam performers using cam sites as a way to meet men for dating or sex. They have every right to feel that way and you can't dismiss their opinion because you may not agree with it.

    Not one person in this thread said anything negative about escorts. I think a lot of escorts feel judged and assume they are looked down upon by the other women in the industry. I personally have no issue with escorting but I feel like should be kept off of cam sites that make it clear they don't want it on there. It's their site, their rules and they have every right to not want to be involved in activities that can get them in legal trouble.

    It is a very supportive industry and very empowering for women. I dont care what society thinks, they will never changed their prudish views.



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    My only agenda is for sex workers to stop insulting each other under the guise of "concern" for having different boundaries.

    I'm very open about that agenda. If you don't want a vanilla person insulting you for what you do, don't turn around and do it to a fellow sex worker. A bunch of people on this thread should take that to heart.

    If we can't even be accepting and supporting of each other then we're shitty people and we deserve the stigma society places on us. I happen to think we're better than that but perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe this industry really is just full of shitty, bitchy hypocrites. That's very sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    My only agenda is for sex workers to stop insulting each other under the guise of "concern" for having different boundaries.

    I'm very open about that agenda. If you don't want a vanilla person insulting you for what you do, don't turn around and do it to a fellow sex worker. A bunch of people on this thread should take that to heart.

    If we can't even be accepting and supporting of each other then we're shitty people and we deserve the stigma society places on us. I happen to think we're better than that but perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe this industry really is just full of shitty, bitchy hypocrites. That's very sad.
    Here in the good ol' U.S. of A.--sex workers are very stigmatized still.
    In other countries it is not so frowned upon. One of my friends (she does not know that I am a cam model) was saying one time she would never do that, people have suggested that for her to make extra money. She was saying it was prostitution and she would never do that. I had to chime in my opinion of course. I am prostituting myself--so I did not take offense to her saying that--just her saying basically that is not how any woman should make a living.
    There are just a few legal brothels here in the US, I think there should be more. It would be better for everyone involved--I don't think it will happen because the American culture is still very uptight about sex.
    Funny, I just remembered from my college days and some drama history class--in ancient Greek civilization...the only women who were allowed to roam freely in the city and were allowed in the men's gatherings back then, were prostitutes. They were not under their families control...they made their money and were often welcome guests at important events. If you were not a prostitute in ancient Greek civilization...you were expected to live under the men in your life. Yay for the prostitutes of ancient times...I think if I were around back then, I would rather have been a prostitute than a woman under the control of my family.
    My friend that said she would never webcam...I understand she would not do that--and she's really cute as everything--fun personality--it's not her thing. She still does not know that I am a webcam model--only just a few people close to me know...it's something she might think is beneath her...and that's ok if she thinks that too. I did not try too hard to change her mind...I just expressed my opinion. When I said money is money...she was like "what if someone breaks into your house or robs a bank...is money still money then?"
    I was like-women who strip or porn performers or webcam models or prostitutes are NOT stealing anybodies money. They are providing a service in exchange for money. Duh...women (and men) who work in the sex industry work for their wages...and its not all fun and games somedays--it's work and it takes talent and creativity to sustain.
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