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    http://gothamist.com/2014/06/11/cops...ch.php#photo-1

    For fuck's sake!

    Blackmail, extortion, forgery, assault, and grand larceny? Seriously? Shit like this makes extras girls seem downright honest.

    "Four exotic dancers and a strip club manager were busted in a plot to drug wealthy professionals and run up $200,000 in charges on their stolen credit cards at Scores in Manhattan and another jiggle joint in Queens, authorities said Wednesday. The strippers also shockingly blackmailed some of the men by threatening to publicly release sexually explicit photos of them after they were secretly drugged, sources told The Post."


    I just want to scream "Stripping: You're doing it wrong!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
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    Default Re: Don't Drug the Customers

    On a side note: I thought you have to be 'skinny and hot' to work in manhattan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystalize View Post
    On a side note: I thought you have to be 'skinny and hot' to work in manhattan?
    Maybe they drugged the managers? Just kidding...

    I would bet that a host brought them into the club and set up their employment. They're proven money-makers... unscrupulous money-makers... but big time money-makers nonetheless. Once the cash starts rolling in, the club has a tendency to see these girls in a different light. They show up, disappear in the VIP room for 5 or 6 hours, and the club happily turns a blind eye to what may or may not be happening behind closed doors. They work with designated hosts, they bank, and they leave.
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    Default Re: Don't Drug the Customers

    And the article says the ring leader is 40. I am assuming it's the big lady in the picture. The other one looks a little rough as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystalize View Post
    And the article says the ring leader is 40. I am assuming it's the big lady in the picture. The other one looks a little rough as well...
    This article has more photos... she doesn't seem big... but yeah, I see what you're saying. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-ecstacy.html
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    Default Re: Don't Drug the Customers

    Maybe it's me, but most of those women are ugly. The ringleader is definitely unattractive, at least going by those photos.

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    Jesus! That's insane. Also, that club is done, and/or is going to only attract a low life element from now on.

    I'm sorry this happened because it makes all strippers look bad and drives away the wealthy clientele who are many club's bread and butter. However, the fiction writer in me likes the premise for a very fun Caper style story. I'd make the customers very bad people in my story, so the readers root for the strippers. Unfortunately, the real story is just a sad statement on society, today. The 99% vs. the 1% taken to it's logical conclusion.

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    Wowww I never knew people drug people to get them in vip.. Thats new to me but then again I'm a newbie..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by goddess30 View Post
    Wowww I never knew people drug people to get them in vip.. Thats new to me but then again I'm a newbie..lol
    It's NOT normal and it's certainly not right/ethical, so please don't let your takeaway from this be that it's standard or expected behaviour and you have to drug customers to make money!

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    The arrest photo looks worse than those other photos. Maybe those pics are older in the second article..

    Regardless I have pictured girls working at scores as these super hot babes and she looks jersey shore. But that's not the point of the thread.

    On another note, this is not good for the industry depending on how many people hear about this.

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    They're not the only ones. Greed driven girls in this town are notorious for doing shit like this. Lots of them do this. It def fucks up the industry for sure.

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    Default Re: Don't Drug the Customers

    Of course its not normal, thats why I said I never heard of it..lol

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    Default Re: Don't Drug the Customers

    In my experience dancing in NYC I have seen instances of girls drugging customers time and time again. I am not surprised to see Scores mentioned in the article since that club attracts those kinds of people, but I am sad to see a smaller club like RoadHouse involved in this scenario.

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    Ugh, I HATE this shit. This is exactly what scares away averagely wealthy, regular nice guy customers who are literally petrified to use the club's ATM machine, scared to hand their credit card over and scared to go in VIP.because of the financial risk and risk of not getting home on time because they end up inexplicably fucked up in a hotel room somewhere. Play fair b**ches!!

    But there are girls like this - maybe not quite so extreme - in every club in Manhattan, who have their scams and tricks, whether it's drugs or just preying on "vulnerable"customers, who came to the club in search of fun, decadence, escape, not knowing what they had signed up for. . I have seen a VIP host and a girl badgering an extremely drunk customer to add extra tip to his credit card for both of them like "come on add another $300 for me" when the guy could barely walk, then he is escorted to the door, aka kicked out because he is too drunk to stay.

    As for the girls' looks, first of all, not having another way of making money, fearing an expiration date, whatever it is, tends to breed desperation. We all know so many girls work their way through their stripper careers buying coke and shoes and expensive purses. And as for Manhattan clubs, there are a lot of smoke and mirrors involved. Even the most average girl can stripper-ify with the right mindset and a little investment, A gown, a blow-out, 7-inch heels and a full face of professional make up can add a lot, Men see a whirling fantasy of hair and breasts, skin and lip gloss. We disarm their logic and senses. Fuck it, we are all goddesses but damn these greedy bitches.

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    Is this as bad as getting a customer super drunk and keeping him in a champagne room? What do you guys think?

    I knew a girl who got fired when she suddenly began selling champagne rooms left and right... She never got rooms before. They caught her pitching Molly with her room. Imagine if these people turned around and said they were drugged? She would have been more than fired. I just don't get why so many dancers can't keep their nose or hands clean. I hate working with greedy shady ass bitches who fuck it up for everyone else.
    You get a couple girls in a club ripping customers off and that's the last time that well spending customer will come in. I've seen it myself and these bitches should get fired.

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    The FBI is making a huge mistake not going after the clubs and their management. They don't want this behavior to end or they would destroy any incentive to bring in/keep these girls.
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    It's probably going to keep on happening. Most managers don't have a set of balls, bc it's hosts who run shit in the club. As long as hosts get tipped huge by these types of girls they will turn an eye blind. Heck, I've seen a host hand a bag of molly to a dancer at the bar and the dancer slipped it into a cocktail then went straight to the back with that cocktail. It's unfortunate. This is what happens when girls get desperate in clubs that are filled with a ton of girls and high house fees to pay every shift...again, or greed.

    The hiring standards aren't as strict as it use to be. As long as there is a shit ton of bodies paying fees, so the club can make money.

    It's all over the news. Now ppl are going to be turned off to go to SCs, thinking every girl does this. Not good!!

    Eta - another thing that chaps my ass... some clubs tell honest dancers not to ask for tips, yet strippers walking straight into the club with strung out men, straight to vip is acceptable. How fucked up is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokikola View Post
    Is this as bad as getting a customer super drunk and keeping him in a champagne room? What do you guys think?
    I don't know how many of those drugs were combined in their alcoholic drinks, but I imagine the worst case scenario would be killing one of those targets if he had underlying health problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goddess30 View Post
    Wowww I never knew people drug people to get them in vip.. Thats new to me but then again I'm a newbie..lol
    They don't. That is despicable and illegal in all areas of business. Even street hookers would have an issue with drugging the customers to steal from them.

    ...But many dancers are known for getting guys drunk to make the VIP sale a little easier.

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    This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I've seen hosts selling drugs, girls drugging drinks, and I'm convinced that literally 90% of the rooms at the clubs I've worked at are sold either because of sex or drug use. Maybe I'm jaded. I wish Manhattan wasn't like this.

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    Well customers in Miami don't get drugged up. These bitches ain't giving you a free Molly or coke. They will sell it to you with a room before they just slip it to you. These hoes got pimps to answer to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starling View Post
    I don't know how many of those drugs were combined in their alcoholic drinks, but I imagine the worst case scenario would be killing one of those targets if he had underlying health problems.
    It's not the stringently regulated and professionally produced Exstacy - MDMA - of old but it's jacked up crackish equivalent. Sooner or later they'll hurt or kill someone.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/22/health...rug/index.html
    1. What is Molly?
    Someone who buys or takes Molly now is probably ingesting dangerous synthetic drugs that have not been tested and are produced in widely varying strengths. The DEA says only 13% of the Molly seized in New York state the last four years actually contained any MDMA, and even then it often was mixed with other drugs. The drugs frequently found in Molly are Methylone, MDPV, 4-MEC, 4-MMC, Pentedrone and MePP.

    2. What does Molly do?

    The lab-created chemicals mimic the effects of MDMA; most of them are central nervous system stimulants that cause euphoric highs. They can also cause a rapid heartbeat, high blood pressure, blood vessel constriction and sweating, and can prevent the body from regulating temperature. Some of the chemicals have been reported to cause intense, prolonged panic attacks, psychosis and seizures.

    After they wear off, the chemicals can cause devastating depression. Several of these compounds have caused deaths.

    3. Who is using Molly?

    Molly is being marketed to young first-time drug abusers between the ages of 12 and 17, as well as traditional rave, electronic dance music fans who may think they're getting MDMA. "Our kids are being used as guinea pigs by drug traffickers," says Al Santos, associate deputy administrator for the DEA.

    4. What does Molly look like?

    Molly can take many different forms, although it's most often found in a capsule or powder. The DEA has also seen Molly applied to blotting paper, like LSD, and in injectable form.
    5. What makes Molly so dangerous?

    Molly is dangerous because of the toxic mix of unknown chemicals; users have no idea what they're taking or at what dose. Unlike MDMA and other illegal drugs that have known effects on the body, the formulas for these synthetic drugs keep changing, and they're manufactured with no regard to how they affect the user.

    "You're playing Russian roulette if you take these compounds because we're seeing significant batch-to-batch variances," Santos says.

    For example, officials have found completely different ingredients in drugs sold in the same packaging. Santos also says the amount of active ingredients can be dangerously different, because "the dosing for these sorts of drugs are in the micrograms. The room for error is tremendous, and we've seen a lot of deaths with some of these compounds."

    The DEA has developed its own reference materials for state and local law enforcement because they were encountering so many different drug compounds they'd never seen before. At the DEA testing lab, technicians are constantly trying to unravel the chemical makeup of newly discovered drug compounds that have been seized.

    What you need to know about synthetic drugs

    6. Where do the chemicals come from?

    Almost all the chemicals in Molly and other synthetic drugs come from laboratories in China. Chinese chemists sell the drugs online, and middlemen in the United States and around the world cut it with other substances, and either place it in capsules or sell it as powder. Other kinds of synthetic drugs can be sprayed onto plant material and smoked, such as synthetic marijuana.

    But it's difficult for law enforcement to keep track of all the chemicals. The DEA says it's seen about 200 individual chemical compounds since 2009 and 80 new compounds since 2012. As soon as a compound is discovered and banned, another one is created to take its place.

    Interestingly enough, the formulas for these drugs were discovered by legitimate scientists working on new medications. The formulas couldn't be used as medicine because of the stimulant or hallucinogenic effects they had users, but the "recipes" for the drugs still remain.

    Clandestine chemists have used the scientific literature to create hundreds of new chemical compounds for the sole purpose of getting people high. There is no known legitimate purpose for any of these chemicals.

    Music festival canceled after 2 deaths blamed on drugs

    7. How widespread is the problem?

    Huge. The fastest-emerging drug problem in the United States is the synthetic drug market, which now includes Molly. The chemicals in Molly have been found in nearly every state in the U.S.

    And it's a multibillion-dollar business. In two days, the DEA seized $95 million off drug traffickers during a crackdown. It is a growing problem in Australia, New Zealand and Europe as well.

    8. What's being done about it? Why can't the government just make it illegal?

    Congress passed the Synthetic Drug Abuse Prevention Act in July 2012, which controlled 26 compounds by name. But there are hundreds of compounds, and every time the government makes one illegal, chemists alter the formula slightly to make it a substance that is no longer controlled.

    U.S. officials say they are discussing the issue with the Chinese government, but most of these chemicals are legal in China.

    There's something (potentially dangerous) about molly

    9. How can I tell if someone is using or has used Molly?

    The effects can vary widely, depending on the chemical, but while users are under the influence, they may exhibit the following symptoms: sweating, jaw clenching, violent or bizarre behavior and psychosis.

    After the drug has worn off, a user may show signs of depression or may not be able to get out of bed for an extended period of time.
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    I'm not really one who condones drugs, but if they're mixing a cocktail of drugs with these guys' drinks to the point where they're incapacitated/lose consciousness, and most of all without their knowledge, it sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I'm surprised no one has died yet in a club in Manhattan as a result from girls/hosts doing these things.

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    The current club I'm at doesn't drug the customers (as far as I am aware!), but actively makes sure they get as drunk as possible, with free shots that they encourage girls to ram down their throats.
    The girls then arrange to go into vip, then ask to purchase what the customer thinks is two beverages, however the bar tenders have come in and have put in a much larger amount than 15 for two drinks, more like 215 or 515 but have hidden the extra digits with their fingers. The customer punches in their pin thinking its for two drinks and not for the vip room and time and voila is scammed out of money.

    I don't like this club, its unethical and if thats the only way you can make money here then I haven't and won't be part of it.

    I can only imagine that most of these clubs are very toxic environments and quite difficult to work in for an extended amount of time.

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