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    I am curious if any long-time vets or any one else more experienced then I can offer some history about "vip hosts." I have been dancing for several years now, but for the last few months in NYC and quite frankly it is on another level here. Why do we need a big fat dude to escort us to a room? "Security?" And why are we letting them take so much of our damn money? Even worse: controlling our money!

    Enough of my bias, but to be straightforward: I always enjoyed the erotic industry because as women we could rely on our body/brains/hustle and it seems that as strip clubs evolve away from stage shows and table dances these middle-managers are getting more and more power. Thoughts?

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    They're there to pimp out girls to the club whales.

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    clearly...how did this practice come about? why do we let it happen?

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    I have no idea since I have not been in the biz for years and years so maybe someone else can elaborate on this.

    My opinion is if the hosts have been there for years and know who all the big spending regulars are, they will give them girls that will guarantee them to keep them spending in the VIP for the longest period which will make the most money for the club. Hmm I haven't paid much attention to hosts in the past but I'm under the impression that they're the 'middle man' who takes care of the customer and looks out for big spenders and want them to keep coming back.

    Since there is a high turnover rate with dancers and the hosts have usually been there for a long time, I can understand if a club wants to hold on to hosts because they're the people who know who all the good customers are.

    As to why we let it happen, what can we do? The only way I can see rebelling against a host system is to have a spontaneous stripper strike or boycott, or just simultaneously stop working in clubs with hosts and take it to the media lol. A stripper 99%. Or I don't know, be a really super rich person and sue the pants off a big chain club with a host system. But even that wouldn't work because there would always be more girls who would be more than willing to replace us.

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    In management's mind and club owners, the host bring in good clientele (which is BS). When good clientele walks in, they belong to the hosts. They control everything. They can and will kick you out of tables and rooms to replace you. Complaining to a manager about the situation is useless. Most of the hosts prefer to work with girls like the ones who recently got arrested. That's just how cut throat Manhattan will always be.

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    No complaints about VIP hosts because in my club they actually make me money. BUT they expect a tip out which is never a problem because they always direct me to high spending clients. It's also on days when working the floor is a total nightmare and the amount of money I make from them minus the tip out is 3x+ more I would make just working the floor. If they are good floor hosts they will talk to the customers and make sure they are spenders before they bring a girl to them. Only issue I have is that certain VIP hosts have favorites and will cock block other girls to satisfy their favorite's needs first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starling View Post
    They're there to pimp out girls to the club whales.
    During my brief stint working in Manhattan, this was exactly my experience.

    At a higher end (but as I later realised, dirty) club I worked in whose name I genuinely cannot recall, it was wholly evident that the hosts ruled the roost. I would see the same hosts call over the same girls to tables and those girls would be gone for hours at a time. Most of the other girls didn't have a look in when it came to those tables because as soon as the whale was seated, the host quickly gathered his faves to that customer.

    I had an annoying experience at that club when near the start of the evening I happened to be talking to a wealthy gentleman who was part of a group. I think one of his friends knew the host. Anyway, the guy I was talking to chose me as his girl to go to VIP with him (it was a $900/hr room). As soon as our group arrived at the room, the host turned us away. He then took one of the other dancers to the corner, whispered something to her and pointed at me. Before I even knew it, I was replaced with another girl and the group entered the room. They didn't resurface until near the end of the evening.

    That being said, the girl that the host spoke to was honest enough to tell me that they agreed to extras going on and that the host didn't trust me as a new girl to just keep things under the radar. Part of me was in two minds as to whether they were doing me a favour or were hindering my money by not letting me into that room, but the bottom line is that it was not my decision - but the HOST'S - to make. At the end of the day though, the club just wasn't for me. After I saw a girl randomly let a customer suck her tits on the floor and people seeing but noone caring, I left.

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    It's an interesting question when the 'host' hierarchy began. Kind of like when was the first lap dance invented and how it came about. If I run into an old housemom I'd certainly ask about when the host system got started.

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    My understanding is that VIP Hosts are a mutation left over from the 'original' business model of the pre-lap dance age ... the 'champagne hustle' ... where girls earned most of their money by convincing customers to buy them drinks, and where the highest dancer earnings potential resulted from convincing customers to buy them a bottle of champagne to be enjoyed in a restricted private seating area. Thus what originally started out primarily as a 'concierge' role, with some security duties thrown on top, gradually mutated along with the changes in the strip club business model.

    Today's VIP hosts still attempt to satisfy the desires of high rolling customers ( although those customer desires have changed from companionship to 'extras' !!! ), and still perform some semblance of a security role ( although today's role most likely involves keeping the VIP customer and 'extras' girl secure from the prying eyes of others !!! ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Union Jackie View Post
    During my brief stint working in Manhattan, this was exactly my experience.

    At a higher end (but as I later realised, dirty) club I worked in whose name I genuinely cannot recall, it was wholly evident that the hosts ruled the roost. I would see the same hosts call over the same girls to tables and those girls would be gone for hours at a time. Most of the other girls didn't have a look in when it came to those tables because as soon as the whale was seated, the host quickly gathered his faves to that customer.

    I had an annoying experience at that club when near the start of the evening I happened to be talking to a wealthy gentleman who was part of a group. I think one of his friends knew the host. Anyway, the guy I was talking to chose me as his girl to go to VIP with him (it was a $900/hr room). As soon as our group arrived at the room, the host turned us away. He then took one of the other dancers to the corner, whispered something to her and pointed at me. Before I even knew it, I was replaced with another girl and the group entered the room. They didn't resurface until near the end of the evening.

    That being said, the girl that the host spoke to was honest enough to tell me that they agreed to extras going on and that the host didn't trust me as a new girl to just keep things under the radar. Part of me was in two minds as to whether they were doing me a favour or were hindering my money by not letting me into that room, but the bottom line is that it was not my decision - but the HOST'S - to make. At the end of the day though, the club just wasn't for me. After I saw a girl randomly let a customer suck her tits on the floor and people seeing but noone caring, I left.

    Wow our floor hosts are tame compared to these sharks.

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    ^I've noticed hosts in other regions do actually help girls if they tip well enough regardless if prostitution is involved. Its a NYC club thing. Its an expensive and competitive city to live with house fees that range around $200 a night and hosts are going to try and make the most bang for their buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Today's VIP hosts still attempt to satisfy the desires of high rolling customers ( although those customer desires have changed from companionship to 'extras' !!! ), and still perform some semblance of a security role ( although today's role most likely involves keeping the VIP customer and 'extras' girl secure from the prying eyes of others !!! ).
    I think this is how it kinda runs in my club. The hosts are supposed to help keep the room going if the dancer hasn't already sealed the deal another hour (if the hostess doesn't like you they don't care and will even get mad if you're getting a generous tip and go as far as telling them they don't have to leave a tip of dancers just for them... and they only like a few girls).
    I know that certain but very few customers get the champagne rooms cameras turned off. They always go with the same girls.
    Also when we have high rollers management will handpick girls and threaten anyone else. We had a guy drop 10k just in stage and he invited myself and another blond over for champagne. When he got up from the table to throw another few hundred at a girl on a nearby stage our manager came up to us and told us to leave. I know how shit works so I left. The blond argued and he said if she wanted her job shed better leave. Later he told her not to work the days he works anymore because he didn't want to see her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokikola View Post
    I think this is how it kinda runs in my club. The hosts are supposed to help keep the room going if the dancer hasn't already sealed the deal another hour (if the hostess doesn't like you they don't care and will even get mad if you're getting a generous tip and go as far as telling them they don't have to leave a tip of dancers just for them... and they only like a few girls).
    I know that certain but very few customers get the champagne rooms cameras turned off. They always go with the same girls.
    Also when we have high rollers management will handpick girls and threaten anyone else. We had a guy drop 10k just in stage and he invited myself and another blond over for champagne. When he got up from the table to throw another few hundred at a girl on a nearby stage our manager came up to us and told us to leave. I know how shit works so I left. The blond argued and he said if she wanted her job shed better leave. Later he told her not to work the days he works anymore because he didn't want to see her.
    Ugh. Hopefully you got his number and bring him to another club.

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    Thank god I don't work in clubs with hosts per say anymore. My one club I name my own price hand the guy who walks me back 50 for the room and a tip and I'm set. The others the waitress runs the rooms and they all love me because I do a lot of rooms and the only problem at that club is some get mad when their busy and I grab another to run my room. I'll never work in another club that has asshole male hosts that can remove you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parisparis View Post
    Hi All

    I am curious if any long-time vets or any one else more experienced then I can offer some history about "vip hosts." I have been dancing for several years now, but for the last few months in NYC and quite frankly it is on another level here. Why do we need a big fat dude to escort us to a room? "Security?" And why are we letting them take so much of our damn money? Even worse: controlling our money!

    Enough of my bias, but to be straightforward: I always enjoyed the erotic industry because as women we could rely on our body/brains/hustle and it seems that as strip clubs evolve away from stage shows and table dances these middle-managers are getting more and more power. Thoughts?

    The way they make it seem: Hosts are the middlemen, the bad-cop in the bad-cop/good-cop scenario. They help strippers sell/up-sell rooms and take care of all the money stuff so that the dancer doesn't seem pushy. Strippers are precious merchandise and the hosts facilitate the deal... and convince the customer to keep spending.

    The way I see it: Hosts are partially perfunctory, partially parasitic, and partially a phony ploy to make the club appear pseudo-professional... they dress like high-class maître d's and politely persuade "high class" customers to buy rooms… sometimes effectively… sometimes half-heartedly.

    The way it really is (in NYC anyway): They arrange rooms for high rollers with "special" girls so that the customer spends, and spends, and spends. The club is happy because it gets a substantial cut. The customer is happy, obviously. The customer comes back. Maybe next time, the customer brings his wealthy friends. The host chooses girls that are amenable to that specific arrangement. Everyone (except the clean dancers) has a great time.

    The host ensures (to the best of their ability) that nothing untoward escapes the VIP room. Rules can be bent and broken if everyone keeps their mouth shut. Discretion builds clientele. Raids are bad for publicity. Cherry-picking customers and strippers is considered "personalized concierge service"... all dictated by the customer's whims and the stripper’s desire to make money and play along. The host caters to the customer. Strippers are simply a commodity. The host works on commission. The bigger the room the better the payday.

    Cherry-picking also keeps the club safe. Customers that aren’t “vetted” don’t get “special” treatment. If that “special” treatment involves questionable activities and someone who isn’t hip and with it, it may get the club in trouble.

    The hosts are the filters for the club. And believe me, the club appreciates that. Consequently, the hosts are compensated handsomely… often by the strippers… because the club enforces semi-mandatory tips for VIP hosts... regardless of how helpful they are for my rooms.

    We pay the fees because we don’t want to be locked out of rooms. I certainly don’t want to be blacklisted.

    But I’ve been pulled out of rooms several times before… no matter how much the customer liked my company. The hosts are scared to death of an “outsider” spilling the VIP room secrets. Some of my more recent posts allude to the reasoning behind that.

    In a round-about way, I am happy I wasn’t part of those inauspicious rooms. No amount of money is worth that… for me anyway.


    So...

    To answer your question: Look at Las Vegas... the strip club host model is based heavily on the casino host framework…[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...sts-get-649953
    And: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014...s-casino-host/

    The host’s job is to make sure that the client has the very “best experience possible”. Special treatment makes for loyal customers. Loyal customers are money from the club’s perspective.

    Hosts aren’t the middlemen, we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post

    Today's VIP hosts still attempt to satisfy the desires of high rolling customers ( although those customer desires have changed from companionship to 'extras' !!! )
    I'm pretty sure that this has always been the case. I think most customers settle for companionship, but few would turn down extras when offered. During the US westward expansion, big companies would open whore houses as enticement for young men to come west to work. My guess is that VIP hosts are a historical throwback to the men who used to run the whore houses in the post civil war era. It's just a guess, though. I don't have any evidence aside from a few Brothel museums I've visited over the years.

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    Default Re: "VIP Hosts" - Can someone offer a history?

    I wonder just how specific this thread is to NYC. What other cities have similar systems?

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    Never been to Vegas but I heard the clubs out there have a similar system.

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    NYC & Vegas are pretty much the same.

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    The entire world has turned into a he man woman haters club most evident in the stripping industry.

    Women produce children, the planet is overpopulated. Need I really explain anything beyond that?

    People are fucking disgusting.

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    The entire world has turned into a he man woman haters club most evident in the stripping industry.

    Women produce children, the planet is overpopulated. Need I really explain anything beyond that?

    People are fucking disgusting.

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